Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

[Lloyd]

102242

Atlantis Myth
I'm repeating this week's news articles, because I have something to add to it below.

Hypatia stone a meteorite of unique unEarthly composition
- https://www.sott.net/article/373590-Hyp ... status-quo
- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... via%3Dihub

Ingredients for life revealed in meteorites that fell to Earth
https://phys.org/news/2018-01-ingredien ... -fell.html

Nature article turns theory of stellar evolution upside-down
https://phys.org/news/2018-01-nature-ar ... ution.html

Ancient rock drawing could be oldest image of a supernova [or Saturn flare?]
https://www.cnet.com/news/india-supernova-rock-drawing/

DNA FROM MYSTERIOUS ANCIENT CIVILIZATION SHOWS THEY WERE EXPLORERS, NOT CONQUERORS
http://www.newsweek.com/dna-mysterious- ... ans-774524

Atlantis Myth
Dark Journalist interviewed Joseph Farrell last summer and Farrell starts out by explaining that the continent of Atlantis originally referred to a large mass in space that was lost in the ocean of space. This is the same interpretation of myths that Cardona, Talbott, Cochrane and others have come to previously as well. They have concluded that Atlantis was the Saturn configuration, which included also Venus and Mars. So here's the video, but it may not discuss much about myths after the first few moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80-gYbUgoss.

[Lloyd]

103160

Former Advanced Civilization?
Complex engineering and metal-work discovered beneath ancient Greek ‘pyramid’ (4500 BP)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/18/complex-engineering-and-metal-work-discovered-beneath-ancient-greek-pyramid
(That just happens to be about the time of the Great Flood & Cataclysms, probably shortly afterward. It may be that humans were pretty advanced before the cataclysms. See early posts in this thread for info on that. The next article says they were way advanced.)

Turkish Professor Claims Koran Flood Story Tells of Muslim Noah Calling Son on Cell-Phone
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/100828/turkish-professor-claims-koran-flood-story-tells-muslim-noah-calling-son-cell-phone/

Meteorites brought water to Earth
https://phys.org/news/2018-01-meteorites-brought-earth-million-years.html

The stories behind Aboriginal star names now recognised by the world’s astronomical body
https://theconversation.com/the-stories-behind-aboriginal-star-names-now-recognised-by-the-worlds-astronomical-body-87617

[Lloyd]

104035
Norwegian houses reused for over 1000 years during Stone Age
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/005944.html

Scientists say humans could have left Africa up to 70,000 years earlier than had been thought
https://inews.co.uk/news/science/scientists-say-humans-left-africa-70000-years-earlier-thought/

‘First Face of America’ explores how humans reached the New World
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/first-face-america-explores-how-humans-reached-new-world

The Evolution of Round Brains Ushered in the ‘Human Revolution’
https://www.inverse.com/article/40511-brain-shape-homo-sapiens

Ancient Human Genomes Reveal Complicated Split into Europeans and Asians
https://www.inverse.com/article/40532-ancient-human-neanderthal-dna-analysis

Archaeologists Find Oldest Human Remains Out of Africa, From Nearly 200,000 Years Ago
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGAZINE-israeli-archaeologists-find-oldest-human-remains-out-of-africa-ever-1.5764061

I have a lot of data stored at http://funday.createaforum.com/

I'm gathering info on various models at http://cnps.boards.net/board/12/science

[Lloyd]

104837

Mysterious 'pyramids' are spotted on the ocean floor [few months old news]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4997240/Pyramids-spotted-bottom-Atlantic-ocean.html

Unexpected find of missing detritus by robots exploring undersea volcanic eruption means need to rewrite rock record
https://www.sott.net/article/375763-Unexpected-find-by-robots-exploring-undersea-volcanic-eruption

Early humans witnessed global cooling, warming, and massive fires from comet debris impacts says major study
https://www.sott.net/article/376194-Early-humans-witnessed-global-cooling-warming-and-massive-fires-from-comet-debris-impacts-says-major-study

A Recent Ice Age Was Triggered by a Firestorm Bigger Than The One That Killed The Dinosaurs
https://sciencealert.com/images/2018-02/processed/forest-fire_1024.jpg

Northern European population history revealed by ancient human genomes
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180130090844.htm

Did Ancient Greeks Sail to Canada?
https://www.hakaimagazine.com/news/did-ancient-greeks-sail-to-canada/

Genome Study Uncovers Origin of Farming in Europe
https://www.technologynetworks.com/genomics/news/genome-study-uncovers-origin-of-farming-in-europe-297012

Ancient tools found in India undermine the “out of Africa” hypothesis
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/01/new-discoveries-raise-critical-questions-for-out-of-africa-hypothesis/

4,300-Year-Old Tomb of Royal Female Official Found in Egypt
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/01/egypt-tomb-woman-priestess-hetpet-archaeology/

[Lloyd]

105516

Newly discovered buildings reveal clues to ancient Egyptian dynasties
https://news.uchicago.edu/article/2018/02/06/newly-discovered-buildings-reveal-clues-ancient-egyptian-dynasties

Dinosaur-killing asteroid caused molten rock to burst from ocean floor
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/dinosaur-asteroid-science-ocean-floor

Ron Wyatt, The Ark of the Covenant discovery footage. (condensed version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ1fK-3nwJ0

Why Have Archaeologists Ignored These Remarkable Ancient Discoveries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWYlMXiGP18

"The Nebra Sky Disc the Most Astounding Ancient Artifact Ever Discovered" at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azSrG0GaiCI
It started with showing the Pleiades on the disc. The center star Maya is associated with May 1 (maiden etc), opposite Nov 1st. See Randall Carlson. Score = 20 = mark, 9x20=180x2=1yr 20x39=780=MarsYr ?+VenusYr

"Decrypting the Cosmic Origins of Halloween" w/ Deep Historian Randall Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75hVrv392BY

Ancient Megaliths That Will Challenge Everything You Know About History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbCHAuts84
_Mudflow buried Tiahuanaco

Ancient Origins
http://www.ancient-origins.net

5,500 Year Old Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets Reveal Stunning Revelations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrxSJ8IzveE
Denderra, Egypt has a sky map from 8,000BC

Ancient Aliens Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ
17' Tiahuanaco 300-500AD C14 Dating - Unanswered question: seaport & ocean creatures at Lake Titicaca
2h34' Sitchin had no credentials or evidence for knowing Sumerian or other languages
2h49' Bible not derived from Sumerian Enuma Elish, but both derived from a common older source; same with all early cultures; the Flood account seems to be true

The Secret of the Great Pyramid [how the pyramid was really built without ET help]
http://archaeology.org/0705/etc/pyramid.html

The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet: “Nibiru” According to the Cuneiform Sources
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibirunew.pdf

[Lloyd]

ADDENDUM
A few more items to add to the above:

Bosnian Pyramids: Archaeologists Have Made A Discovery That Defies Explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYQCVrxdtfw

Ancient Archeological Discoveries Made In 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnGl3215zf0

Ancient Discoveries in Nebraska That Remain a Mystery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps39tre0lE4

Ancient Power Tool Evidence in Egypt [not necessarily; see Ancient Aliens Debunked above]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGLuUjtyq6k

Human Debris and Dinosaurs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FtjwiOzXX0

Here are some notes on the above video: Why Have Archaeologists Ignored These Remarkable Ancient Discoveries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWYlMXiGP18
Michael Cremo, Origins: The Hidden History of the Human Race
9' Virginia Steen-McIntyre geologist Hueyatlaco, Mexico stone tools & weapons
camel bone with butcher marks dated by U series method to 245ka (ka=1000 years)
ash layer dated by Zircon fission track method to 270ka
site dated by 2 other methods also to >250ka
12' 2013 Happisburgh, UK human footprints in strata dated 780ka-1Ma (Ma=1,000,000 years)
17' OH86 human finger bone in strata dated 1.84Ma
19' 19th Cent. human skull in Buenes Aires in Pre-Ensanadan Formation 2.15-3.2Ma
21' 1926 Harold Cook paleontologist & JD Figgins of CO to Holloman gravel pit in OK
human projectile points
1:0' 1862 The Geologist journal, vol 5, p 470, human skeleton in coal in Macoupin County, IL 300Ma

If you go back to the first posts of this thread, you'll see evidence that the cataclysm occurred under 5,000 years ago and that it laid down all of the sedimentary strata at once (over a few months' or years' time), so in the above video they're dating all of the strata wrong. They're nearly all under 5,000 years old.

Some more notes: These two videos deal with the Pleiades associated with the ancient cataclysms.
"The Nebra Sky Disc the Most Astounding Ancient Artifact Ever Discovered" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azSrG0GaiCI . It started with showing the Pleiades on the disc. The center star Maya is associated with May 1 (maiden etc), opposite Nov 1st. See Randall Carlson. Score = 20 = mark, 9x20=180x2=1yr 20x39=780=MarsYr ?+VenusYr

"Decrypting the Cosmic Origins of Halloween" w/ Deep Historian Randall Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75hVrv392BY

The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet: “Nibiru” According to the Cuneiform Sources
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibirunew.pdf
[Final paragraph:] Hopefully the reader is getting a hint of two things: (1) That Sitchin’s teachings are false; (2) that there seems to be warrant for the single scholarly article I referenced in the introduction that postulated Nibiru might be the pole star which has changed position in the sky. [Same as the Saturn Theory.]

[Lloyd]

105961

Yellowstone super volcano under strain from pressure in magma chamber [it exploded during the Great Flood cataclysm & is not a threat now IMO]
https://www.sott.net/article/377323-Yellowstone-super-volcano-under-strain-from-pressure-in-magma-chamber

More about the mystery of the origin of gold
https://www.sott.net/article/377505-Scientists-uncover-more-about-the-mystery-of-the-origin-of-gold

*Layer of "slime" could leave areas more vulnerable to submarine landslides
https://www.sott.net/article/377610-Layer-of-slime-could-leave-areas-more-vulnerable-to-submarine-landslides

Kikai volcano set to erupt and could kill 100 million people (1% chance in 100 years around Japan) [risk may be lower since prior eruption likely occurred during last global cataclysm]
https://www.rt.com/news/419097-volcano-super-eruption-japan-kikai/

What ancient footprints can tell us
https://theconversation.com/what-ancient-footprints-can-tell-us-about-what-it-was-like-to-be-a-child-in-prehistoric-times-91584

More light shines on Pleistocene extinction event
https://cordis.europa.eu/news/rcn/128864_en.html

Vid: 200,000 Year Old "Tile Floor" Found In Oklahoma?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHiQ-ZjGkGU

Vid: UFO & Monster in Mariana Trench
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73OKhIBY0uQ

Lake Michigan’s Mastadon July/August 2009 - #76
https://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/lake-michigans-mastadon/

Mystery object at the bottom of the Baltic Sea discovered in 2011
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1143699/the-incredible-mystery-of-the-alien-spacecraft-that-lies-at-the-bottom-of-the-baltic-sea/

Yonaguni Pyramids on Seafloor; Cuban Underwater City; Baltic Sea Object
https://www.imbalife.com/10-mysteries-under-the-ocean

Submerged Ruins
https://imgur.com/gallery/Tud3j

Vid: Ice Age Discoveries Rewrite History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWaVfggygkw
Galactic superwave unlikely cause of cataclysms
At 50": Mayan Dresdensis: dragon poured flood waters on Earth

Gun-Yu and the Chinese Flood Myth [dragon involved with flood]
http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-le ... myth-00370

Traditions & Beliefs of Ancient Israel, By Thomas Kelly Cheyne, 1907 (Flood-Dragon File)
https://books.google.com/books?id=2C9VAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA5&ots=5JOnM_mPXY&dq=dragon%20ancient%20flood&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q=dragon%20ancient%20flood&f=false

Flood Stories
http://www.crystalinks.com/floodstories.html
Mongolia:
Hailibu, a kind and generous hunter, saved a white snake from a crane which attacked it. Next day, he met the same snake with a retinue of other snakes. The snake told him that she was the Dragon King's daughter, and the Dragon King wished to reward him. She advised Hailibu to ask for the precious stone that the Dragon King keeps in his mouth. With that stone, she told him, he could understand the language of animals, but he would turn to stone if he ever divulged its secret to anyone else. Hailibu went to the Dragon King, turned down his many other treasures, and was given the stone. Years later, Hailibu heard some birds saying that the next day the mountains would erupt and flood the land. He went back home to warn his neighbors, but they didn't believe him. To convince them, he told them how he had learned of the coming flood and told them the full story of the precious stone. When he finished his story, he turned to stone. The villagers, seeing this happen, fled. It rained all the next night, and the mountains erupted, belching forth a great flood of water. When the people returned, they found the stone which Hailibu had turned into and placed it at the top of the mountain. For generations, they have offered sacrifices to the stone in honor of Hailibu's sacrifice. [Elder & Wong, pp. 75-77]

[Lloyd]

107734

A single volcano can change Earth's atmosphere
https://www.sott.net/article/377930-A-single-volcano-can-change-Earths-atmosphere-expert

Did humans learn to speak through cave art?
https://www.sott.net/article/378132-Did-humans-learn-to-speak-through-cave-art

Five surprising things DNA has revealed about our ancestors
https://theconversation.com/five-surprising-things-dna-has-revealed-about-our-ancestors-91934

Mystery behind the origin of 3,000-year-old ‘alien’ Paracas elongated skulls revealed by DNA testing
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/mystery-behind-origin-3000-year-old-alien-paracas-skulls-revealed-by-dna-testing-760997

Ancient DNA tells tales of humans’ migrant history
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180221131851.htm

Vid: Proof Advanced Ancient Civilizations Possessed Super Hard Stone Cutting Technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYEGM7L3EIo
I haven't looked at that video yet, but in the video, Ancient Aliens Debunked at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ , it is shown that copper "saws" without teeth can cut granite simply by putting sand in the cutting groove. Maybe in that same video they showed that some simple substances, maybe acids etc, can make copper as hard as steel. So the chisels that were used were hardened in this way, and apparently the saws would have been as well.

In my first mention of this Ancient Aliens Debunked video about two weeks ago above, I noted that Tiahuanaco was dated less than 2,000 years old. That seems to be incorrect, unless parts of that area are older than others. I believe there is a large ancient ship port built on Lake Titicaca. It would have been built when the lake was at sea level, thousands of feet lower than now. The mountains were likely uplifted some 4,000 years ago during the Shock Dynamics event as described at http://NewGeology.us , which also caused rapid continental drift. The Great Flood probably occurred a bit earlier. Tiahuanaco is said to show evidence of flooding, so the entire area may be dated wrong.

[Lloyd]

108493

An old Irish legend about an ancient Egyptian princess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DS-ngVWge4

Y-DNA Haplogroups links Nordic and Germanic people to Arabs and Jews
http://www.nordiskisrael.dk/artikler/ydna_hpgs_links_nordic_and_germanic_people_to_arabs_and_jews

The Lost Ten Tribes and DNA
http://www.britam.org/DNAtentribes.html#West

Cyclic Catastrophism vs Big Bang: the CMB explains the creation of our solar system
https://www.sott.net/article/378617-Cyclic-Catastrophism-vs-Big-Bang

Big Bang, Little Bang
https://cycliccatastrophism.org/2014/08/27/big-bang-little-bang/#comment-43163

Giant handaxes suggest that different groups of early humans coexisted in ancient Europe
https://phys.org/news/2018-02-giant-handaxes-groups-early-humans.html

The Dino-Killing Asteroid Impact Also Created A Stunningly Beautiful Geological Masterpiece
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robinandrews/2018/02/26/the-dino-killing-asteroid-impact-also-created-an-stunningly-beautiful-geological-masterpiece

See Inside This Newly Discovered Ancient Egyptian Cemetery
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/ancient-egypt-necropolis-discovered-mummies-funerary-figurines-spd/

Divers Find ‘Unprecedented’ 7,000-year-old Native American Burial Site Off The Coast of Florida
https://www.sciencealert.com/divers-locate-7-000-year-old-burial-site-hidden-underwater-florida-coast-native-american-manasota-key

The Cyclic Catastrophism and Big Bang, Little Bang are articles by John Ackerman, a satellite scientist. His theory is an offshoot of Velikovsky's catastrophist model. John says Venus formed from Jupiter 6,000 BP from an impact. Very interesting article/s.

[Lloyd]

109489

Evidence to Believe Giants Existed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMXDRyzOEA

Comet Chury: Younger than originally thought
https://www.sott.net/article/379215-Comet-Chury-Younger-than-originally-thought

Unique diamond impurities indicate water deep in Earth's mantle
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180309170700.htm

Experiments shed new light on composition of prehistoric oceans
https://www.sott.net/article/379703-Experiments-shed-new-light-on-composition-of-prehistoric-oceans

Harappans of India over 3,700 years ago had knowledge of hydraulic engineering
http://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/harappans-had-knowledge-of-hydraulic-engineering-dholavira-reveals-4377399.html

Massive Comet Led The Earth To Experience a Mini Ice Age
http://www.newsweek.com/comet-earth-ice-age-799236

Vid: Randall Carlson's Catastrophism Videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/YSIproductions/videos

Vid: Cosmography 101-12.1 Comets / Taurids / Cosmic Tempo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZUyALqMPI

Vid: Cosmography 101-11.3: Epochellipse/Kataklysmos/Ekp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigbppaPmWk

Vid: Cosmography 101-12.1 Comets / Taurids / Cosmic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZUyALqMPI

Vid: Cosmography101-12.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLFWdb8VW7w

Vid: Cosmography101-12.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2n-qxlLdFU

Vid: Cosmography101-13.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1K1s8ZSuxc

Vid: Cosmography101-13.2 Two-minute Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfflAiuermo

Vid: Cosmography101 Class 13.2.1 "Common Fireball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMRqlAFxorA

Vid: Ice Age Floods Paradigm Shift?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxycv5abdMw

Vid: Cosmography101-13.3 "Decoding Symbolic Art"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sro9iGWtU_8

[Lloyd]

110811

15 new planets confirmed around cool dwarf stars
https://phys.org/news/2018-03-planets-cool-dwarf-stars.html

Rare metals on Mars and Earth implicate colossal impacts
https://phys.org/news/2018-03-rare-metals-mars-earth-implicate.html

These Early Indonesians Prospered During What Should Have Been a Devastating Volcanic Winter
https://gizmodo.com/these-early-humans-prospered-during-what-should-have-be-1823697164

Ash from dinosaur-era volcanoes linked with shale oil, gas
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180313101729.htm

Australia’s Jurassic Park leaves lasting impressions [dinosaur tracks]
https://cosmosmagazine.com/palaeontology/australia-s-jurassic-park-leaves-lasting-impressions

Solar alignments in Ancient Egypt
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/151/292945/Egypt/Features/Solar-alignments-in-Ancient-Egypt.aspx

Vid: Diabolos/Lucifer/Satan cosmic interpretation from Cosmography101-14.1 - Randall Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQMUPwBhRM

Vid: Discourses on an Alien Sky #34 | The Prehistoric Goddess—Emergence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZYaG6JepqI

Vid: Hypatia Stone Shatters Solar System Myths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISN_kGuGIQw

Vid: Did a Cosmic Thunderbolt Create the Hypatia Stone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjFW4rR7Pc

[Lloyd]

Here are a few more links I'm adding to this week's list. See the rest above.

Discourses on an Alien Sky #31 | The Polar Configuration: Acid Tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYjIjvjg8EY

Discourses on an Alien Sky #32 | Before the Counting of Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wI33nzU-SU

Discourses on an Alien Sky #33 | The Prehistoric Mother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_l810EVYSU&t=604s

Chicxulub Aug 17, 2017
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2017/0 ... icxulub-2/

Venus had presented a comet-like appearance just a few millennia ago
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2016/1 ... -part-one/

Thunderbolts Picture of The Day
https://www.mythopedia.info/tpods.html

[Brigit Bara]

Every Sunday. Thank you Lloyd!

Esp. thanks for "Harappans of India over 3,700 years ago had knowledge of hydraulic engineering". I really love ancient (pre-classical) drainage.

[nick c]

I really love ancient (pre-classical) drainage.

The 1300 room Palace of Knossos on Crete, conventionally dated from 1900 BCE to 1100 BCE, had quite an impressive water management system.

The palace had at least three separate water-management systems: one for supply, one for drainage of runoff, and one for drainage of waste water.

Aqueducts brought fresh water to Kephala hill from springs at Archanes, about 10 km away. Springs there are the source of the Kairatos river, in the valley in which Kephala is located. The aqueduct branched to the palace and to the town. Water was distributed at the palace by gravity feed through terracotta pipes to fountains and spigots. The pipes were tapered at one end to make a pressure fit, with rope for sealing. No hidden springs have been discovered as at Mycenae.

Sanitation drainage was through a closed system leading to a sewer apart from the hill. The queen's megaron contained an example of the first water-flushing system latrine adjoining the bathroom. This toilet was a seat over a drain that was flushed by pouring water from a jug. The bathtub located in the adjoining bathroom similarly had to be filled by someone heating, carrying, and pouring water, and must have been drained by overturning into a floor drain or by bailing. This toilet and bathtub were exceptional structures within the 1,300-room complex.

As the hill was periodically drenched by torrential rains, a runoff system was a necessity. It began with channels in the flat surfaces, which were zigzag and contained catchment basins to control the water velocity. Probably the upper system was open. Manholes provided access to parts that were covered.

Some links to photographs of parts of the water-collection-management system follow.

Runoff system.[33] Sloped channels lead from a catchment basin.
Runoff system.[34] Note the zig-zags and the catchment basin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knossos#Water_management

[Brigit Bara]

nick c says, "...at least three separate water-management systems: one for supply, one for drainage of runoff, and one for drainage of waste water."

Waste water, even better! (:

I am reading through the seasonal dig reports on Thera, beginning with the first one in 1968. It is wonderful. So far it is all quite domestic, featuring beautiful two story houses with flower pots on the windowsills (all buried in ash). There appears to be wastewater, like the toilets and water tanks that are in the homes in Harrappa. Dates for Thera range from 1700 BC to 1500 BC.

Other exciting developments in domestic plumbing from the pre-classical world is in Anatolia, and a city called Jawa -- but I have not gotten to that book quite yet. I need a secretary. And a cook (: