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"Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

Unread postby balsysr » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:19 am

I has been interesting to read the response to electric gravity in this forum. Seems that some good points are being made here. As the discussion has introduced the standard model of gravitation, string theory, higgs bosons and all the other ideas relating to a theory of everything that try to unify gravity with Maxwells equations. As a physicist (and an EU supporter) I have always had an interest in this.
A problem that a conventional physicist has with the EU (and particularly the thunderbolts site) is that there are too many bits that have to be relearned before you get a sense of what it is about, many way out ideas (some clearly wrong, others just not fully formed and some good ideas that need further development - works in progress). For this reason its hard to accept the EU's statements. But OK, keep an open mind and you may learn things that deepen your understanding of physics and the universe, along with having a laugh at crazy ideas.
On the theory of everything I think the best explanation is given by Hotson who discusses Dirac's equation. The link http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/2168 ... ve-energy/ has links to hotson's original papers and critiques discussing pro's and con's. Personally I find his work very compelling. In it gravity is caused by unlinked epos (electron-positron pairs) in the universal BEC (Bose-Einstein condensate). I have found this work to be easy to follow and for the layperson has very little maths. Even so, he explains a large number of things (eg origin of strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force, how the Pauli exclusion principle works, etc.). Really worth a read.

First turn your distrust of and read what is said to get the whole picture before criticising the parts. Then by all means go through and find the things to be critical of. I am sure it will get you thinking.

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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:53 pm

P.S. The Sansbury-Thornhill intuition deserves credit since it recognizes the roll of Coulomb attraction in the mechanism of gravity. However, the oversimplified concept shown in the video has several problems.
First, it suggests that the atomic nuclei would be pointing toward earth because of its mass, assuming gravity to explain gravity in a circular argument, similar to the Einstein circular space time argument, while in addition making multi-body gravity hard to explain.
Secondly, it overlooks that dipole orientation in bodies are determined by the exchange of Coulomb dipole forces within the body, holding the body itself together.
The gravity contribution, or modification, to this internal dipole pattern is very minor and not caused by weight distribution within atoms but rather by a complex pattern of Coulomb attractions and repulsions between bodies under gravity. For more information see website link in right hand column.
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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

Unread postby Bengt Nyman » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:57 am

Gravity waves

Recent observations and measurements suggest that quantitative changes in gravity between bodies in space travel with the speed of light. The measurements furthermore confirm the transient, single chirp nature of the change in gravity between two bodies when the mass of one of them suddenly changes by an explosive conversion from mass to energy. A body in space is tied to all other bodies in space through strings of gravity with strengths inversely proportional to the square of respective distances. A change in mass of one body consequently permeates with the speed of light through all its gravity strings to all surrounding bodies in space.

The Coulomb dipole model of gravity, accessible to the right, is based on contemporary particle physics and supplements quantum physics and string theory without creating the conceptual conflict that is experienced with the idea of "space time" as a cause of gravity.
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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

Unread postby ja7tdo » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:35 am

hi,

I think it is different space gravity and surface gravity.
space gravity is electromagnetic force. there is attraction and repulsion.
Earth's surface gravity is caused by electrically polarization like Wal's dipole.
between crust (-) and ionosphere(+), The substance is charged to a weak +.
details of surface attraction is unknown yet.
but I think Wal's theory is almost right.

please read my post.
Newton's mistake, Maxwell's misunderstanding
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16906

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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

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Re: "Electric Gravity" Doesn't Hold Up

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