The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby Electro » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:50 pm

If we think about it, GTSM is no more ridiculous than gas clouds magically collapsing on themselves in a zero-gravity environment, to suddenly start rotating on themselves to form stars... Same for specks of dust magically clumping together in a zero-gravity environment, to form a planet and rotate. Where does the freaking angular momentum come from? In GTSM, and the electrical nature of stars, there is an explanation for angular momentum.
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby seasmith » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:01 pm

Electro wrote:
In ... the electrical nature of stars, there is an explanation for angular momentum.

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby perpetual motion » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:39 pm

This may be some, of what I think about that. There was not any capturing involved. I would just say that single solar systems travel in clusters. I do not believe a single body could travel by itself. Then somewhere
along their route the cluster becomes energized or the largest body of the cluster energizes and
the rest is history. They may act as billiard balls or magnets, no so called gravity needed. And if these
clowns at mainstream can see any of these solar systems (out there) then I may be a monkeys uncle.
I will just blatantly say this out loud, there is not any telescopes that can see to that distance.
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:25 am

The 'Closest' Star to Our Own Solar System Just Got a Lot More Interesting:
http://www.sciencealert.com/the-closest ... nteresting

discovered a ring of cold cosmic dust surrounding the closest star to our Solar System - the faint red dwarf Proxima Centauri


The dust around Proxima is important because [..] it's the first indication of the presence of an elaborate planetary system, and not just a single planet, around the star closest to our Sun


This result suggests that Proxima Centauri may have a multiple planet system with a rich history of interactions that resulted in the formation of a dust belt


Picture:
http://www.sciencealert.com/images/articles/processed/artist-impression-proxima-centauri-dust_1024.jpg
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This system is interesting for GTSM. Astronomers are now discovering the possibility of more planets (older astrons) around this red dwarf star (young astron). In GTSM this would be expected, a red dwarf star is older than our sun and all the astrons it once captured are still in the system, the prediction would be many (small/old) astrons and many moons (even smaller/older astrons).

Just musing:
In GTSM, the smaller worlds would get closest their host stars and erode away and more chance of close encounters with other small worlds, causing breakups. Red dwarf stars are also known for their flare ups, they eject a lot of matter as they cool and shrink. This matter and the dust/breakup of the smaller worlds would be pushed out by the solar wind/ejections and would/could form the ring they are seeing. The ring itself would form at a resonant/harmonic distance from the star. This would mean another prediction: the ring is not a leftover of formation via the faulty nebular theory, it is formed later from dead astron debris

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby JeffreyW » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:32 pm

seasmith wrote:
Lloyd wrote:
Hot, rocky exoplanets are the scorched cores of former gas giants
https://www.sott.net/article/366266-Hot ... gas-giants


If all the planets, and maybe some moons, in the solar system now were once big old suns, like the one that is still left; where is all that inconceivably vast amount of mass that was "stripped off" to be found now ??

btw, The "third rock from the sun" is not a big rock, it just has a very, very, very thin rocky crust.
Nobody knows for sure what is in the center 99% of the globe,
be it nebula, star, 'gas giant' or planet. -ss


If one is proposing that every large body orbiting in our solar system was "captured", they need to talk to some real rocket scientists.
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The mass is recycled back into the galaxy and reabsorbed into other stars. Not only that but outer space is so vast, that it is actually beyond comprehension. If you took all the matter from all solar system bodies and spread it out over an enclosed sphere the size of the solar system itself (out to the orbit of Neptune), the density of matter in that space would still be a couple atoms per meter cubed of space. It would still be hard vacuum.

Do not underestimate space. There is more than you think, and then more than that, and then way, way more on top of that, then way more on top of that.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v1.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby JeffreyW » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:38 pm

seasmith wrote:
Lloyd wrote:
Hot, rocky exoplanets are the scorched cores of former gas giants
https://www.sott.net/article/366266-Hot ... gas-giants


If all the planets, and maybe some moons, in the solar system now were once big old suns, like the one that is still left; where is all that inconceivably vast amount of mass that was "stripped off" to be found now ??

btw, The "third rock from the sun" is not a big rock, it just has a very, very, very thin rocky crust.
Nobody knows for sure what is in the center 99% of the globe,
be it nebula, star, 'gas giant' or planet. -ss


If one is proposing that every large body orbiting in our solar system was "captured", they need to talk to some real rocket scientists.
;)
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Thin rocky crust, you are right. What is most disconcerting though is that there is an object with even more volume in the center of the Earth that is iron/nickel alloy. It is metal! As well, it is about 1 billion cubic kilometers of it. How the heck does EU say something of that magnitude could get to the center of the Earth? Much less inside the other objects in the solar system? I have already presented the challenge, yet EU still has to answer this, or even address the fact that the "rocky planets" possess these cores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA1ApRUx2Go

That was over 2 1/2 years ago.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v1.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:45 pm

JeffreyW wrote:
The mass is recycled back into the galaxy and reabsorbed into other stars.

So you are saying the large orbiting bodies in our solar system were "captured"
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby Webbman » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:00 am

I think a proper electrical connection is the only real requirement for a planet to be a sun. I also think the sun would have little trouble spitting out earth sized cores so there's your iron/nickel/everything. You could view it as a birth or taking a crap. Either works lol.

planetary turds is far more humorous though.
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby D_Archer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:33 am

seasmith wrote:
JeffreyW wrote:
The mass is recycled back into the galaxy and reabsorbed into other stars.

So you are saying the large orbiting bodies in our solar system were "captured"
?


Yes, in GTSM all astron systems are assembled via capture.

In a stellar pinch only hot/large astrons (ie stars) are formed, always roughly the same size because the filaments are proven to be roughly the same size. A young hot astron would "attract" older/smaller/cooler astrons.

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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby JeffreyW » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:21 am

D_Archer wrote:
seasmith wrote:
JeffreyW wrote:
The mass is recycled back into the galaxy and reabsorbed into other stars.

So you are saying the large orbiting bodies in our solar system were "captured"
?


Yes, in GTSM all astron systems are assembled via capture.

In a stellar pinch only hot/large astrons (ie stars) are formed, always roughly the same size because the filaments are proven to be roughly the same size. A young hot astron would "attract" older/smaller/cooler astrons.

Regards,
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This is correct, but also there were probably other objects in the system to allow for conservation of angular momentum when the orbits are interrupted. In other words, capture happens with third bodies, with the solar system, they for sure have extra bodies involved that are currently not present but have been ejected. Of course this needs to be added. Daniel if you want to add this, I would begin here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_problem
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0206v1.pdf The Main Book on Stellar Metamorphosis
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby seasmith » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:57 pm

JeffreyW wrote:
D_Archer wrote:
seasmith wrote:
JeffreyW wrote:
The mass is recycled back into the galaxy and reabsorbed into other stars.

So you are saying the large orbiting bodies in our solar system were "captured" ?
?


Yes, in GTSM all astron systems are assembled via capture.

In a stellar pinch only hot/large astrons (ie stars) are formed, always roughly the same size because the filaments are proven to be roughly the same size. A young hot astron would "attract" older/smaller/cooler astrons.

Regards,
Daniel


This is correct, but also there were probably other objects in the system to allow for conservation of angular momentum when the orbits are interrupted. In other words, capture happens with third bodies, with the solar system, they for sure have extra bodies involved that are currently not present but have been ejected. Of course this needs to be added. Daniel if you want to add this, I would begin here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-body_problem



That's a dodge, not an answer
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:11 pm

seasmith wrote:
Electro wrote:
In ... the electrical nature of stars, there is an explanation for angular momentum.

Correcto mundo

Where is the detailed explanation?
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby JeffreyW » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:25 pm

Lloyd wrote:
seasmith wrote:
Electro wrote:
In ... the electrical nature of stars, there is an explanation for angular momentum.

Correcto mundo

Where is the detailed explanation?


Lloyd there isn't one. Hannes Alfven tried to solve the angular momentum issue by injecting the concept of critical ionization velocity to transfer the angular momentum of the rotating disk in the nebular hypothesis to Jupiter, but it did not work. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19770006016.pdf I'm too tired to find it right now, but its in there somewhere.
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby seasmith » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:15 pm

Lloyd, The primary problem with the "angular momentum problem" of star formation is its primary assumption, the "accretion" model. To further compound the problem, ms astronomy uses the same accretion model to explain the formation of 'black holes' !!!
So that theory/model is a Fail from first principles and the question is moot.
A similar lapse of reason accompanies the gooney-star model being pushed in this thread, but no worries, NIaMI is the entertainment channel.
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Re: The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:06 am

Stellar Metamorphosis: Formation of Rings (Dust Belts):
http://vixra.org/pdf/1711.0282v1.pdf
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Hi,

I made a paper due to this news article http://www.sciencealert.com/the-closest-star-to-our-own-solar-system-just-got-a-whole-lot-more-interesting it is up on viXra, see link above.

It is referenced and it is an interpretation of the new findings at Proxima Centauri with Stellar Metamorphosis applied.

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