Instantaneous action at a distance

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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby Webbman » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:03 pm

no, just where the pressure comes from since maximum entropy would be equal or no pressure anywhere.

what drives the system?
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby webolife » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:35 pm

Entropy is a process, not a state. Think about it, where in the universe can your proposed state of "total entropy" even be imagined? If we are content with descriptive, then the centropic pressure system solves a host of problems. What drives the system becomes a metaphysical question. I see the universe as finite, an object within a field... following logic, this means it is delimited, therefore "held together" or squeezed within its field, as are all other objects... the universe's field however is virtually infinite. Whether or not that infinitude is attributable to a Personal Supreme Being is of course conjecture beyond the scope of this forum. ;)
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby Webbman » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:21 pm

my model has a much simpler method of producing potential difference/prevent equilibrium/prevent total disorder etc. I view the universe as an electromagnetic stranded soup where everything comes and goes from the soup but specifically the most simplest transformation of the strand to a loop or basic circuit (the electron) provides us with everything we need for higher orders of matter.

if energy moving to equilibrium can trigger the formation of an electron which by its very nature is opposed to such an equilibrium then what we really have is a cycle of creation and I do believe that is what we see, but most insist on calling them neutrinos when I believe it is just new electrons coming into existence at random which happens all the time and is just a function of energy available.

not that I don't believe in supreme beings I just think that they would rather be gardeners and help the universe do its thing.
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby webolife » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:44 am

I accept the "gardener". Also the "landscape designer".
What do you suppose is the speed of a thought or a word? Not the physical carriers, but the inspiration itself?
Rhetorical question, but intended to redirect toward the thread topic...IAAD ;)
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby Webbman » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:16 am

ok.

lets say that my electromagnetic strands were real and we treat them as little wires in a big mess that don't transmit current but do straighten out (pressure wave at a right angle) when exposed to a current and this occurs at the speed of the electric force or near instant. Pressure waves/longditudal waves are much faster than transverse waves.

now let us suppose that this straightening action (electric field) often leads to formation of circuits as a form of wake in the passing current (magnetic field) and when a circuit is formed the connection is able to reinforce itself as any circuit does through its enhanced ability to regulate energy/waveforms.

some materials are able to lock in the circuits and the reason why they don't lose magnetism or lose it very slowly is because very little current is transferred to form the pressure waves.

we now have a process that is completely aetherial, but real at the same time. This alignment is formed from the noise that is always present and we see it as magnetism.

this is why its faster than light, why it can go through you and even why the sun always knows where the earth is in real time.

action at a distance without requirement for magic.
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby webolife » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:37 pm

How can light as pressure "waves" be instantaneous across distance?
On the other hand isn't aether a form of magic, since it is unknowably infinitesmal, and yet serves as the only* physical mechanism for light "waving" through space?
*only, albeit in a wine aisle assortment of presentations...

For me IAAD is not "magic" rather it is inescapable, exigent, and universally prevalent.
The requirement of "culpability" is based on the rather religious assumption of materialistic objectivism.
Not that "religious" is excluded -- we all have our particular/peculiar "faith base" --
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby Webbman » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:14 pm

I was referring to magnetic/electric fields which are the only actual action at a distance not light. For me light is a discrete particle, not a sphere but a helix style structure instead.

the pressure wave travels through the electromagnetic strand, aka noise. The random mess. We only see it otherwise when we align the mess ...a magnetic field.

there's nothing magic about the aether if it really just is the electromagnetic noise which is everywhere and includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum which is generally expressed as heat in the most basic form.

what I'm saying is that there is something there that has been overlooked for waves to travel on but its not as orderly nor evenly distributed as people think.
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby webolife » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:20 am

I would contend that light and electromagnetism are inseparable [no big departure there]... if you can visualize electricity and magnetism as IAAD, why not their primary manifestation, light action? Orderly and random need further elucidation... I find light to be orderly in the most basic and highest senses of the word. The "medium" of light is a geometric matrix, and the constants of physics to be elegantly interrelated. How does your random medium compare? And how [by what kind of mechnism] do you envision us aligning the "random mess"?
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Re: Instantaneous action at a distance

Unread postby Webbman » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:03 pm

well I don't see light as action at a distance no more than someone throwing a rock as you is action at a distance. Light is a unique wave carrier but I don't find it to be as special as most think. Your theory to me describes electricity but I cant reconcile it with light.

magnetism is an alignment of the mess. The mess is the invisible medium we don't have to make up. We know its there.

there is not much current in a magnetic field so it must have extreme voltage to balance it to do work. The extreme voltage is a byproduct of the tiny sizes of the strands. Kinda like you tried to push the atlantic ocean through a fire hose. You wont get much water through but if the hose didn't break you would get extreme pressure and the hose would straighten like an iron pole. That's an electric field. The magnetic field comes when the current move past and the straight pole becomes part of the wake and forms a circuit.

extreme pressure means no power losses and this explains magnets perfectly. so real action at a distance is magnetism and magnetism is a pressure wave response to current from the electromagnetic mess that is everywhere.

unless you've found a way to shock, arc discharge, yourself with a magnetic field. Current can be induced in materials because of the extreme voltage. p=vi after all. No fancy science required.
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