Redshift and light bending (aka refraction)

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Redshift and light bending (aka refraction)

Unread postby Roshi » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:01 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow
A rainbow is a meteorological phenomenon that is caused by reflection, refraction and dispersion of light in water droplets resulting in a spectrum of light appearing in the sky.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset
As a ray of white sunlight travels through the atmosphere to an observer, some of the colors are scattered out of the beam by air molecules and airborne particles, changing the final color of the beam the viewer sees. Because the shorter wavelength components, such as blue and green, scatter more strongly, these colors are preferentially removed from the beam


Mainstream accepts that the Universe is full of "gas clouds". But these gas clouds have no influence on starlight or galaxy light.

Also see:
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0904/0904.3232.pdf
The main point that needs to be emphasized in the present discussion is that the well-known observation of star image displacements during solar eclipses does not constitute experimental proof that light follows a curved trajectory when passing by massive bodies.


https://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0409/0409124.pdf
In fact many of the general relativity tests are explained without general relativity on the basis of refraction phenomenon.


There is no refraction happening in the Universe. It happens only on Earth. Earth is a special place, where this amazing and unique phenomenon can be found. Also, it's probably the only place where there is no dark matter, the rest of the Universe is full of it.
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Re: Redshift and light bending (aka refraction)

Unread postby perpetual motion » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:21 pm

"There is no refraction happening in the Universe. It happens only on Earth. Earth is a special place, where this amazing and unique phenomenon can be found. Also, it's probably the only place where there is no dark matter, the rest of the Universe is full of it."
No atmosphere, no light.
Anyway, I would change, Universe, to Mainstream, is FULL of IT...
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Re: Redshift and light bending (aka refraction)

Unread postby moses » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:18 pm

I think that much refraction occurs due to etheric gradients. Thus the density of ether falls away with distance from a star. So light would bend when approaching the Sun at a small angle. This would mean that stars could be orders of magnitude closer to us than we currently calculate.
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Re: Redshift and light bending (aka refraction)

Unread postby Roshi » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:08 am

Mentioning refraction as a cause for light bending in space on a mainstream physics forum, it's like saying the Earth is not the center of the Universe in a church in the middle ages. Because they know they can't tell the difference between refraction and light bent by "curved spacetime" (see the links above), this means you just attacked relativity (even without mentioning it) and you are a heretic.

Thus: there is no refraction in space. Gas clouds in space do not refract light. Solar atmosphere does not refract light. Else questions about the "eclipse relativity experiment" would arise, so - refraction only happens on Earth.

https://www.space.com/37018-solar-eclip ... right.html
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