Free will

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Re: Free will

Unread postby lw1990 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:30 pm

that's interesting, I have never heard of people having their brains removed so they can experience this realm with their physical body and 'mind'

I mean, since the 'mind' can survive death, and the brain can't, why do you need your brain? get to removing it bro
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Re: Free will

Unread postby Webbman » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:36 am

your missing the point. Logic without wisdom always misses the point. This is why the world is such a shithole.

there are those in this world, where you live, that want you to believe that you are nothing more than machines or animals so they can feel better about themselves as they slaughter you. Their entire existence is dominated by the false ideology that they are somehow divine and you are worthless but the truth is that they make themselves worthless simply by thinking this way. These morons spend all their time dreaming of the day when the great world class slaughterhouse is built and you all get to line up and be sacrificed to their inhumane insanity.

your thinking that you have no free will, or this is a computer simulation, or your just an animal or any of this nonsense serves to reinforce their position, and so it should since they come up with that idea. All their ideas are garbage though and lead to slaughter of the innocent, including their so called own if required. All manner of nightmares springs from this and usually have some sort of "ism" attached, though they are all the same.

The only way to combat such evil, evil you don't believe in, is to ensure that each individual human is special (equal in the sense that all are human beings and have their own gifts) in some way, and I assure you this is true, though whether or not you wish to see it is up to you.

The last thing they want is you going around being special, using your gifts, and exerting your free will.

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Re: Free will

Unread postby lw1990 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:08 pm

I'm not missing the point, you are (see how useless this assertion you came up with is?)

Your worldview sees dictators, rulers, the 1%, the spoiled brats, the tyrants as 'evil', and 'seeking emotional justification', they couldn't care less most of them; and news flash, they are not some special breed of human, they are what happens to ordinary people when bestowed with wealth and power - take any average joe off the street, and they can easily turn corrupt given the same priveleges, power, and wealth over time. It's human nature, not some division between powerful groups and powerless groups. People like you who utterly fail to understand the division the idea of free will creates perpetuate the problem.

If there were 1000000 trillion humans alive on earth (or however many it would take to completely cover every part of the Earth) you would not say humans are special and should all equally starve to death. You don't understand that the nature of the problem is humanity's wellbeing as a whole, not some individual divinity. To increase the wellbeing of humanity as a whole, we have to start looking at us as we are - an interconnected system, who create both our 'heroes' and our 'monsters'. Free will removes blame and responsibility from society as a whole by saying it exists in individuals or local groups, non-free-will assigns blame equally to the entire universe (therefore destroying it) and allowing us to formulate clear plans for improving human wellbeing without idiotic circle jerk ideological notions like 'evil' that need to be eliminated by any stupid means possible like strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing up infidels or 'evil' people who don't agree with whatever divisive ideological stance you have.
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Re: Free will

Unread postby Webbman » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:25 am

all the division of people is planned, enforced and reinforced by people, not a function of a persons free will. Every collective that has ever existed sooner or later serves evil no matter how good the original intent.

this is why the individual is so important.
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Re: Free will

Unread postby The Great Dog » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:35 am

Sam Harris, the philosopher and neuroscientist, delves into this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FanhvXO9Pk

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Re: Free will

Unread postby lw1990 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:27 pm

Even if the argument of no-free-will isn't convincing to you personally, it should be extraordinarily obvious that something is wrong or something is fishy when it's not convincing to the vast majority (99%+) of the population despite there being no scientific evidence to support the idea. This hugely disproportionate belief concerns humans primarily, goes against all of the evidence, and therefore has all of the trademarks of bias, yet the humans still continue to repeat the mistakes of history when it concerns their own ego and lack of humility. First we believed we were at the center of the universe, center of the solar system, the only 'planet' (before there was a notion of planets) there was, etc. Continually shown how idiotic our bias is, and now, a free will "mini-god-of-self-control" bias is laid out in front of the community here and all they can do is keep drinking the kool-aid.

We don't have to prod each individual to find out this is the case; society at large functions with notions of blame, responsibility. We react with disgust, label people criminals or enemies or things that would be better off obliterated, instead of identifying poor methods of doing things that create bad behaviors, instead of empathizing with really bad behavior as sick and needing help or rehabilitation. Even if we don't have the resources to do that, and have to lock them up or euthanize them, if you see it as a problem that can be fixed rather than a target to attack you can actually take steps to prevent it from getting worse.

Instead, this HUGE ideological virus is going unnoticed, even to people who read this thread and choose to blind themselves to the inescapable conclusion that's drawn in everyone's mind after reading the first paragraph of this post.
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Re: Free will

Unread postby BirdyNumNums » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:46 am

If you experienced complete free will you would likely loose all your family and friends and instead live in your own grand and wondrous existence but you wouldn't care and you certainly wouldn't care to prove the existence of free will.

Some self imposed limits on your free will helps you fit into the world as we know it.

Rather than proof of existence seek proof in experience.
Experience it in you mind, your body, your feelings, your interactions.
Ask for it, seek it, practice it, crave it, experience it, demand it and allow it.
Come back in a thousand years and let us know how it all feels.
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Re: Free will

Unread postby Solar » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:41 am

lw1990 wrote:Allow me to present you a very unpopular notion, that there is no free will.


How is it that Free Will was used in creating a thread which then seeks to posit the nonexistence of that which was enacted to create it? That is a contradiction. The very existence of this thread is a contradiction of its notion that Free Will supposedly doesn't exist as are any and all Choices to participate in it. For, it was by way of Free Will, Choice, and Volition, that the thread was made.

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Re: Free will

Unread postby lw1990 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:36 pm

It is a contradiction that something created by free will did anything, because free will is a structural impossibility, like true randomness, or action at a distance, or traveling back in time.
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Re: Free will

Unread postby Younger Dryas » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:36 pm

Where does an idea come from?

For me, Mercury. We don't have to follow all their instructions. Perhaps we should though.
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