Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:41 pm

Of Flash Frozen Mammoths and Cosmic Catastrophes
https://www.sott.net/article/357709-Of- ... tastrophes
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:20 pm

GaryN,
I would just like to argue against a cometary cause of the Younger Dryas. Of course I argue for electrical effects and planetary interaction. How do meteorites get different elements that planets. Answer is: electrical effects were involved in the production of asteroids. So then all the arguments for comets causing it are arguments for electrical effects causing it.

The argument that it was a fluffy comet because the impact site was not very deep made me laugh. But an electrically shallow site is easy. Then we are talking about planetary interaction and the real chance that the crust was moved during this electrical interaction. Which seems much more likely than a comet impact did it.

But really it is the issue of the pole shifting 30 degrees through the crust that is mind-boggling. The temples that lie on an equator which had it's north pole very near where the article suggests, is terrific evidence of an ancient civilization that existed before the Younger Dryas with the Earth in a different orbit to now.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:50 pm

Astronomers identify oldest known asteroid family
https://phys.org/news/2017-08-astronomers-oldest-asteroid-family.html

Geologists offer new clues to cause of world’s greatest extinction [4,000 BP]
https://phys.org/news/2017-07-geologists-clues-world-greatest-extinction.html

The Hall of Records, Resurrected: Researchers Say the Great Sphinx is Older Than Believed – and it ‘Guards’ a Hidden Chamber
http://www.dailygrail.com/Hidden-History/2017/8/The-Hall-Records-Resurrected-Researchers-Say-the-Great-Sphinx-is-Older

World’s oldest known stone bracelet: 70,000[or 4,000]-year-old bangle suggests our ancestors were far more sophisticated than thought
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4753746/Scientists-believe-stone-bracelet-70-000-years-old.html

Animal Images In Prehistoric Rock Art
http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/08/03/540805776/animal-images-in-prehistoric-rock-art-looking-beyond-europe

Ancient DNA Reveals Genetic History Of Early Civilizations
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ancient-dna-reveals-genetic-history-222148835.html

Ancient Egyptian Pharaoh May Be the 1st Known ‘Giant’
https://www.livescience.com/60044-ancient-egyptian-pharaoh-first-human-giant.html

Compelling Argument for Lost High Technology in Ancient Egypt
http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-technology/evidence-cut-stone-compelling-argument-lost-high-technology-ancient-021545
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:55 am

Dating the Cataclysms

Charles Chandler found some interesting data. Tree ring data might be rather accurate. The Table below shows Greenland ice core data and Irish tree ring data. Both agree back to 4400BC. The tree ring data goes back to 5060BC, so that may be when the cataclysms occurred. I mean the first trees to grow after the cataclysms started at that time. The Great Flood may have occurred about that time, or some decades or centuries earlier. The impact that split the supercontinent and produced rapid continental drift and orogenesis could have occurred after that, without killing the same tree/s. 4300BC is the time frame that Jonathan Gray found the most evidence for.

Santorini Eruption Radiocarbon Dated to 1627-1600 B.C.
http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=13881

Santorini Eruption Radiocarbon Dated to 1627-1600 B.C.
http://qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=16288

Table 1 Acidity peaks over 4 microequivalents/Kg ice
--------------- Low growth events in Irish oaks
210/260BC ----- 207BC
1120BC ----- 1159BC
1644BC ----- 1628BC
-------- ----- 2345BC
2690BC ----- --------
3150BC ----- 3195BC
4400BC ----- 4375BC
-------- ----- 5060BC
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:40 pm

Secret Room Discovered inside Great Pyramid by Archaeologists Armed With Lasers
http://www.newsweek.com/ancient-egypt-secret-room-discovered-great-pyramid-archaeologists-armed-lasers-647372

Scientists predict 100ft asteroid slated to pass by Earth will burn up in the atmosphere - They hope
https://www.sott.net/article/359018-Scientists-predict-100ft-asteroid-slated-to-pass-by-Earth-will-burn-up-in-the-atmosphere-They-hope

Earth's largest volcanic region two kilometres below Antarctic ice sheet
https://www.sott.net/article/359153-Scientists-find-Earths-largest-volcanic-region-two-kilometres-below-Antarctic-ice-sheet

Comet Responsible for Perseids Could Wipe Out Humanity 2,400 Years From Now
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4782864/Comet-Swift-Tuttle-WIPE-humanity-2-400-years.html

A loss of oxygen in global ocean seawater xxx years ago led to a mass extinction of marine life
https://phys.org/news/2017-08-oxygen-loss-ancient-global-ocean.html

Early humans may have seen a supervolcano explosion up close
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2142952-early-humans-may-have-seen-a-supervolcano-explosion-up-close/
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby kmcook » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:13 pm

Lloyd,

Grateful for your effort providing lists of links to follow.

Opening up new doors, they provide much interesting reading.

Keep it up please.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:45 pm

KM Cook, Sure. That's my plan.

Afraid of the Dark? Why Eclipses Frightened Ancient Civilizations [actually because of cataclysms that occurred with Venus, Mars etc]
https://www.livescience.com/60139-why-eclipses-frightened-ancient-civilizations.html

Iron Age Hillforts of Wales and Why They May Have Been Built
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/hillforts-iron-age-wales-might-13452999

Most Archaeologists Think First Americans Arrived by Boat and Are Beginning to Prove It
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/most-archaeologists-think-first-americans-arrived-boat-now-they-re-beginning-prove-it
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:01 pm

Asteroid that killed dinosaurs led to endless night and 18-month winter
https://www.sott.net/article/359880-Scientists-Asteroid-that-killed-dinosaurs-led-to-endless-night-and-18-month-winter

4,500 year old Trading Network Identified in Vietnam
http://www.archaeology.org/news/5857-170821-vietnam-ancient-trade-network

Oldest Examples of “Tree of Life” Motifs Discovered in Domuztepe Mound, Turkey
https://www.sott.net/article/359587-Oldest-examples-depicting-tree-of-life-motifs-unearthed-in-Domuztepe-Mound-Turkey

Britain’s Ancient Villages Lost at Sea 8,000 Years Ago
http://www.heritagedaily.com/2017/08/ancient-villages-lost-sea-east-riding/116338

Everything is Written Twice ~ on the Ground and in the Sky
http://nit.com.au/astrology/
http://nit.com.au/everything-written-twice-sky-ground-part-two/

Babylonian Tablet Rewrites History of Math and Shows Greeks Did Not Invent Trigonometry
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/08/24/3700-year-old-babylonian-tablet-rewrites-history-maths-could/

Global Oceanic Dead Zones Persisted for 50,000 [tiny] Years After End-Triassic Extinction Event
https://phys.org/news/2017-08-global-oceanic-dead-zones-persisted.html
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Roshi » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:02 am

http://www.esolibris.com/articles/alter ... _earth.php

There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Phaeton ... having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals; at such times those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore. And from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing saviour, delivers and preserves us.
Source: Plato, Timaeus and Critias, Desmond Lee (trs.), London, Penguin Books, 1977.

The Phaeton myth was an actual astronomical event that took place in Earth's ancient past. Ovid (43 BC. - 17 AD.), the ancient Roman writer mentions also a celestial body, called "Phaeton", and its impact on Earth as it approaches the planet:

"The Earth bursts into flame, the highest parts first, and splits into deep cracks, and its moisture is all dried up. The meadows are burned to white ashes, the trees are consumed green leaves and all, and the ripe grain furnishes fuel for its own destruction... great cities perish with their walls and vast conflagration reduces whole nations to ashes."
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:55 pm

Roshi, have you perused this thread? Especially the first few pages?

UPDATES:
Missouri Engineer Works to Solve 4,500 year old Egyptian Pyramids Mystery
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/bill-mcclellan/mcclellan-alton-engineer-works-to-solve-a-year-old-mystery/article_e445c520-d217-5d81-b914-3231f5420e29.html

Saturn's rings may be far younger than previously thought
https://www.sott.net/article/360644-Saturns-rings-may-be-far-younger-than-previously-thought

Best preserved nodosaur has skin, horn and pigments [because it's not so old]
https://www.sott.net/article/361014-Best-preserved-nodosaur-has-skin-horn-and-pigments

Was Orion the Heavenly Overlord of Stonehenge?
http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-europe/was-orion-heavenly-overlord-stonehenge-008700?nopaging=1

Rare close star encounters with our sun
https://phys.org/news/2017-08-encounters-stellar-kind.html

Discovery of 14,000 year old Settlement in Canada Could Rewrite North American History [but they can't be that old]
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/discovery-of-14000yearold-settlement-in-canada-could-rewrite-north-american-history/

Facts About the Last Ice Age [maybe]
https://www.livescience.com/40311-pleistocene-epoch.html
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:53 am

This likely deposited during the Great Flood ca. 5,000 BP.
Fossilized Cosmic Dust in the White Cliffs of Dover
https://phys.org/news/2017-09-scientists-fossilised-cosmic-white-cliffs.html

This is likely partly how the Great Flood occurred.
Asteroid Strike and Tsunami May Have Caused Britain’s Floods of 1014
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asteroid-strike-may-have-caused-the-floods-of-1014-kq0n93q53

Does the Dendera Zodiac Represent the Most Ancient Astronomy?
http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/circular-egyptian-mythology-does-dendera-zodiac-represent-most-ancient-021599?nopaging=1

This likely occurred during the Great Flood ca. 5,000 BP.
Massive Antarctic Volcanic Eruptions Linked to Abrupt Southern Hemisphere Climate Change
https://phys.org/news/2017-09-massive-antarctic-volcanic-eruptions-linked.html

New Radiocarbon Dating Technique on Neanderthal
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4851288/Neanderthal-remains-8-000-years-older-thought.html

This likely occurred shortly after the Great Flood.
Neolithic Irish Death Rites Included Deconstruction of Bodies
http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/08/2017/neolithic-irish-funerary-rites-included-deconstruction-of-the-body

This likely occurred shortly after the Great Flood.
Mind-Boggling Mysteries of the Great Pyramid
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/08/graham-hancock-reveals-mind-boggling-mysteries-of-the-great-pyramid-who-really-built-it/

This likely occurred shortly after the Great Flood.
Unexpected Finds Boost Mystery at Bolivia’s Tiahuanaco Citadel
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Unexpected-Finds-Boost-Mystery-at-Bolivias-Tiahuanaco-Citadel-20170515-0007.html
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Roshi » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:43 am

Lloyd wrote:Roshi, have you perused this thread? Especially the first few pages?

I read some. Not all, it is too much for now.
From the link I placed:
those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore


The Earth bursts into flame, the highest parts first


Is this electric interaction with another planet? Phaeton? Something like "St Elmo's fire" phenomenon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo%27s_fire

Then, there also was a flood, at least one.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:30 am

Roshi wrote:
Lloyd wrote:Roshi, have you perused this thread? Especially the first few pages?

I read some. Not all, it is too much for now.
From the link I placed:
those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore

The Earth bursts into flame, the highest parts first

Is this electric interaction with another planet? Phaeton? Something like "St Elmo's fire" phenomenon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Elmo%27s_fire
Then, there also was a flood, at least one.
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What you're quoting is from the Greeks who were nearly 2,000 years after the cataclysms. Talbott, Cochrane, the late Cardona and others prefer the earliest sources, i.e. the Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians etc.
Your discussion would be more appropriate in one of these threads:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16703
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16534

My main sources on the cataclysms are:
https://www.socalsem.edu/noahs-flood-the-key-to-correct-interpretation-of-earth-history
and http://NewGeology.us

My work on the Global Cataclysm is being organized at
http://funday.createaforum.com/index.php#c1
and I'm also working on it on the CNPS forum and on this board in the Best Geology Theory Contest thread.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:53 am

The Most Mysterious Anomalies of Mars
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-most-mysterious-anomalies-of-mars-4123208

Mythbusting the Secrets of Ancient Egypt
http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/23246/Secrets-of-Ancient-Egypt-between-myth-and-reality

Dynastic Egypt Timeline: 2,700 years of Change in Egyptian Society
https://www.thoughtco.com/dynastic-egypt-timeline-4147743

7,200 year old Silo Model in Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.811906

Evidence for Ancient Egyptians Sailing to America 5,000 years ago
https://www.ancient-code.com/5000-years-ago-ancient-egyptians-sailed-america-heres-evidence/

List of Nature Goddesses From Around the World
https://www.thoughtco.com/nature-goddesses-4149818

Studies of ‘Crater Capital’ in Estonia Shows Impactful History
https://phys.org/news/2017-09-crater-capital-baltics-impactful-history.html

Younger Dryas Black Mat in Geoarchaeological Site in Zacatecas, Mexico
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319672612_The_Younger_Dryas_black_mat_from_Ojo_de_Agua_a_geoarchaeological_site_in_Northeastern_Zacatecas_Mexico

The Eye of Horus (Wadjet): Ancient Egyptian Symbol
https://www.thoughtco.com/eye-of-horus-ancient-egyptian-symbol-96013
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