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The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

Unread postby Norman » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:16 am

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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

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The Saturnus God who revolves around the celestial pole on the northern Sky. It takes a human like figure to describe a celestial image of a humanlike god or goddess. This is logically not possible to do with planets.
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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

Unread postby Webbman » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:01 pm

could of been shot out of the sun. I bet something like that would make for an apocalyptic story.

boom venus comes right by and keeps coming by until it loses some of its birthing energy, picks up some debris and the orbit settles.

the comet is born.
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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

Unread postby Norman » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:57 am

SUBJECT: "THE ROMAN FAMILY TREE OF PLANETS”???

How do the Velikovsky perception of mytho-astronomical interpretation really fits the full context in the mythical informations? Is there a logical astronomical and mythical consistency in the Velikovsky and his followers interpretations?

The Roman Pantheon Family Tree. From - http://www.tribunesandtriumphs.org/roma ... y-tree.htm

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The Twelve major gods of the Roman Pantheon (Pantheon: Collective major gods of a people) were called Dii Consentes and were especially honored by the Romans. The gods and goddesses of the Dii Consentes were Jupiter, Juno, Minerva, Vesta, Ceres, Diana, Venus, Mars, Mercury, Neptune, Vulcan and Apollo.

Hold on a minute: Juno, Minerva, Vesta, Ceres, Diana, Vulcan and Apollo? What planetary connections have these names?

The most important Dii Consentes were Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva, known as the Capitoline Triad, and Mars who was the tutelary (patron) god of the city of Rome. The Roman Gods Family Tree charting the sons and daughters of Saturn and Jupiter is as follows:

Roman Gods Family Tree
The Roman Gods Family Tree is quite complex and explains the relationships between various Roman gods and goddesses.

The king and father of the Gods was Jupiter. Jupiter was the son of Saturn and Opis. Saturn was born from Uranus (heaven). He was the only child of Time who had complete sway over both mortals and immortals. The mother of Jupiter was Opis (aka Ops).

Saturn and Opis were of the race of Titans, who were the children of Earth and Heaven who sprang from Chaos the mother of the Titans. The Titans consisted of six sons and six daughters, the one-hundred-armed giants (Hecatonchires) and the one-eyed giants, the Cyclopes.

The brothers of Jupiter were Pluto and Neptune. The sisters of Jupiter were Vesta, Juno and Ceres. Jupiter and his brothers rebelled against their father Saturn and the Titans; vanquished them and imprisoned some of them in Tartarus, inflicting other penalties on others. Atlas was condemned to bear up the heavens on his shoulders.

Jupiter was the brother and husband of Juno. Jupiter was the father of the following Roman gods and goddesses:
Vulcan was the son of Jupiter and Juno, husband of Venus. Venus was the daughter of Jupiter and Dione, wife of Vulcan and the mother (by Mercury) of Cupid, god of love.

Minerva was the daughter of Jupiter and Juno. Apollo was the son of Jupiter and Latona. His twin sister was Diana. Diana was the daughter of Jupiter and Latona.

Mercury was the son of Jupiter and Maia who was the daughter of the Titan Atlas.
Bacchus was the son of Jupiter and Semele. Mars was the son of Jupiter and Juno. Proserpina was the daughter of Ceres and Jupiter.
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Immanuel Velikovsky got his thoughts about “Worlds in Collisions” from reading the Roman myths, for instants about the Roman goddess Venus as “daughter of Jupiter”, assuming planet Venus to once have been ejected from planet Jupiter.

The ancient knowledge of planets (wandering stars) included Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. When reading of the family tree of the Roman Pantheon, several other “family matters” are stated, for instants:

1. Jupiter was the son of Saturn and Opis.
2. Venus was the daughter of Jupiter.
3. Mercury was the son of Jupiter.
4. Mars was the son of Jupiter.

If taking these mythical information’s as astronomical explanations of planets, as in “the logics of Velikovsky and his followers”, planet Jupiter was once ejected from planet Saturn and not just planet Venus, but also planets Mercury and planet Mars supposedly also once should have been ejected from planet Jupiter.

When taking the mythical informations of Venus and Jupiter literary as astronomical facts, these mythical informations also should be dealt with astronomically by “the Velikovskians”.

It is very easy to assume planet Venus to have been ejected out from planet Jupiter, but what then about the other planetary matters? What about Jupiter being a son of planet Saturn? What about Saturn and Opis belonging to “the race of Titans”? Which planetary connection have the Titans? Which planet is named “Opis”, “Saturns wife”? And what about all the other names and objects besides the known planets mentioned in the Roman Pantheon? Were they also planets or what?

My conclusion have long been clear: Velikovsky and his followers were/are fooled by the Roman Empire deification of the planets when the empire abandoned their old Pantheon of Gods and Goddesses when adopting Christianity and named some planets in remembrance instead.

The Roman Pantheon and its connected mythical texts and symbols have nothing to do with planets. They are all Milky Way matters.
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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

Unread postby Webbman » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:41 am

how would they even see the planets as most were likely not visible.

seems to me that the names of the gods were given to the planets, not the other way around.

besides the sun and moon you might catch a glimse of mars and venus maybe with the naked eye. Certainly they would of needed to be much closer than they are now to get named.

even mars is just a dot in the sky.
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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:06 am

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but people delight in complexity.
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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:13 pm

In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

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Re: The Mythical Interpretations in the TBP

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