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The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby davesmith_au » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:20 am

June 29, 2011 ~ Michael Goodspeed

For thousands of years, the appearance of a comet in the terrestrial skies has provoked deep anxiety and even collective hysteria in humans the world over. The reasons for this response are not entirely clear. Working with historical testimony, David Talbott and his colleagues have concluded that comet fears originated in a global experience of catastrophe and terror. Behind all of the regional traditions and stories is the memory of the "Great Comet," the mother of all comets. The memory traces to the origins of world mythology, according to Talbott, and is particularly vivid in the story of a cosmic serpent or dragon threatening to destroy the world. The most common ancient ideas attached to a comet were the death of kings, the fall of kingdoms, cosmic upheaval, and the end of the world.

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Institutionalized astronomy, with its massive advantages in the forms of billions of dollars of funding, biased educational and peer-review systems and the uncritical support of science media, has failed to resolve the "mysteries" of comets. In contrast, a few plasma experimentalists working with virtual pocket change have delivered findings that can and should revolutionize comet science. ...
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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby MrAmsterdam » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:47 am

My compliments to Michael Goodspeed. This is one sharply written essay.
Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. -Nikola Tesla -1934
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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby jone dae » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:13 pm

In the news from the various NASA sites, are there are many of them, I have noticed a gradual change in what they consider newsworthy... and worthy of building hardware for. NASA has at least a dozen satellites in orbit now, that are obviously, that is, clearly there to determine if the "claims" of the EU/Plasma scientists are testable, and worth testing for. And to see which ones they can prove or disprove with the results from those satellites.

In other words, the change is already here. NASA is avoiding awkward and silly public debates this way, by quietly putting satellite after satellite up in the sky somewhere in our solar system, to gather data which will give us much more information and knowledge about how the solar system works, the sun and all its planets, from an electric universe perspective. They have tacitly admitted our correctness on those points simply by building and launching those kinds of satellites at all, and so many of them.

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Mysteries deepen

Unread postby comingfrom » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:23 pm



It has always been a mystery to me, why sometimes people don't fix their posts after posting.
The explanation of episodes in the above linked post is woeful, and confusing, and made worse by the fact the links are not linked.
Furthermore, after watching the video, YouTube offers , and different, "The Electric Comet, part II", also from the Thunderbolts Project.

The people who have been following the Thunderbolts Project closely might be able to work it out.
But newbies who look at this page will think, "unprofessional".

Maybe it is simply hoped that people will just click to watch the video,
and so attention to detail is not required in the supporting text?
And if you want patrons, provide the link as a click through?

The videos, on the other hand, are well produced. I love David Talbot's voice.
And it is much easier to set up a web page, than it is to produce a video.

I love the Thunderbolts Project, and the Electric Universe, but that page was quite disappointing.
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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby jone dae » Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:26 pm

Replying to "comingfrom" and to the topic,

My comment is in the context of the work, my partner Jae and me have done on our e-zine, unique among e-zines, called Jae Kamel's URLs. Very briefly, we have looked at roughly 20,000 websites since starting the zine, and our Lists have in the neighborhood of 10,000 annotated, categorized, alphabetized, tested links on them. (The "20,000" is an estimate, using the guesstimate that for every URL we used, we looked at at least 2 of them; the actual figure is probably much higher.)
But there is so much more. Since first coming online with the zine in 2007, we have met many people online and off, and made friends with a few; and eventually some started to collaborate with us, and we hired one research assistant as well. Jae maintains 4 online public libraries on his Onedrive, formerly Skydrive. Those are large libraries, and one of them - is for this! He calls it, the "HST-Electric Library", since it began as his collection of favorite Hubble Space Telescope (HST) images. Additionally, he maintains some other databases, as a favor for various colleagues; he is retired and works mostly at home. I have 3 blogs of my own: one for the e-zines, one for the podcasts, and one for the art image collections, mine and Jae's. I'm a research and recording manager, and I make podcasts at work to relax or sometimes at home; there are 101 of them now. I'm often a cafes in L.A. as well.
I also maintain some public libraries on my Onedrive.
We had to hire the multimedia consultant, Ms. Eclair, just to handle our huge collections, which had gotten altogether out of hand. Videos, galleries from one of our collaborators, and so on.
The point of my sharing all that, is that, I - we- understand the problems of people, of teams or groups of people, who have large collections of data to manage, when it is mixed forms, documents, audio, visual, websites, all that. Jae and me share another blog, that's 4 for us alone, plus we are both on academia.edu, I'm on Vortex Based Math (VBM), and so on. And, therefore, I am not at all surprised that anyone on the TBolts team has made the kind of small mistakes you've mentioned: two different versions of an "electric comet" video, and broken or dead links in the post above. Links are changed by the website or whatever, without warning and without notice. He probably doesn't even know yet. Jae and me, for example, have to update 16 lists each month at the minimum, weekly preferably, since websites die and webpages die, all the time! And it is truly difficult to keep up with all of that.
Re/ specifically the electric comet videos, Jae has most of them. Sometimes a video was started, and a "preview" of short version of it was made, at first, and a longer version of it made later. Sometimes, too, a long video will be made a first-released in parts, part 1,2,3, and so on, and then later the complete video appears, and the "parts" are still on youtube; so I sympathize with you too, it could seem confusing if you didn't know that.
I find that the TBolts videos are professionally produced; were they made at the studios I work at, they would be released "as is"; they are of professional quality.
Finally, to touch on your comment about Dave Talbot's voice - he is still my favorite narrator of all the videos, and I like Steve Smith and Wal Thornhill as well. But, Dave... sometimes, I don't know if anyone else has heard this in his voice, but sometimes he slike someone who is showing great patience and kindness, to an unfortunately, slightly retarded child. And I fully sympathize with his exasperation or frustration. The basic facts about the electric universe, and the basic fantasies of the gravity-only-universe which they refute, have been patiently and clearly explained, in those videos and on these websites, to those scientists, over and over and over again. Hence, the feeling that they really are retarded in some way, which prevents them from seeing, understanding things which are very obvious and very clear. They are Birkeland currents, not "ropes"; there is no such thing as "magnetic reconnection"; there is no such thing as a "black hole"; and there never was any such thing as an "accretion disk", or a Kuiper Belt, or an Oort Cloud. Those were all imaginary. Now, the imaginary is very necessary to science, since that is where we first create solutions, hypotheses, and so on; it is were we visualize and let our intuition run ahead of our logical thinking for a time. But, when the first attempt or "first approximation" has been refuted, it is time to re-evaluate that data, not cling to your first attempt; it is about growing up.
So, I would ask that you show the poster, TBolts generally, and the video crews, etc., some tolerance, and patience. Managing such large collections is a lot of work, seriously, and the more teams you have working, the more there is to co-ordinate.
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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby DonKress » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:09 pm

Regarding the Chelybinsk Russia meteor - 2013

I was viewing the Space News episode from a few years back
https://youtu.be/7Ce6Pk_0TNE
where Dave Talbott points out that in one video, projectiles are accelerating ahead of the bolide.

That's very interesting but I have not come across anyone that analyzed (or debunked) the vortex that is seen forming just ahead of the bolide in the next video clip.

I clipped that dashcam recording and slowed it to 1/8 speed then posted it to YouTube:
https://youtu.be/nKQcpMtvXzE

I assume of course that this vortex is not an artifact of the camera, which I don't it is. However, if this is debunked, I'll take it down from YouTube.

The bolide passes through that vortex and this seems to be what triggers the explosions that destroy the object. Or at least the timing is very coincidental.

That vortex looks like a tornado to me. Most likely a collimated Birkeland current as Don Scott explains them.
But why does it form right in front of the bolide?

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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby sketch1946 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:37 pm

This is a link to that Richat/"Eye of the Sahara" alignment:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... 5241798404
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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby DonKress » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:47 am

Don Scott explains his 'force free field aligned current' at EU 2014.
https://youtu.be/yIFR67sckK0?t=37m

This model explains how matter is accumulated in concentric rings like the Richat Structure.
That's what I think this structure is, a current impact as described by Don Scott.

There could have been a bolide involved. Hard to say.

There would have been so much activity at the time of planetary catastrophe and all these EM forces would playing on each other and interacting.
It would appear that many if not most fast moving bolides break up before impact and some far enough away from the planet that atmospheric heating does not fully explain the explosion.

Maybe as the bolide approaches and get closer to the earth, some 'mirror charge' is directly below the bolide tracking it and when the charge is sufficient, a vortex/birkeland current discharges to the ionosphere and (for some reason) forms just ahead of the bolide. This is pure speculation of course.
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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby sketch1946 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:35 am

Hi DonKress,
just speculating here.. I'm very open to anybody's constructive criticism, I'm just learning about all this stuff.... :-)

Does this seem possible?
When a bolide starts a fiery track through the atmosphere, this trail is plasma, right, fire is a type of plasma?
so it seems perfectly possible under the right conditions for the trail of plasma to initiate a lightning strike, since the charged upper atmosphere is supposed to have an abundant supply of positively charged particles... and is charged to 400,000 V+ under normal conditions, according to Feynman...

so a body that had been cruising through the solar and cosmic ray environment where it could become highly positively charged due to collisions with its molecules and solar and cosmic particles... (in outer space the heavier particles of the cosmic rays should knock the lighter electrons off the comet or asteroid, creating a body that is highly positively charged)... when maybe ***multiple bodies come in together like Shoemaker Levy 9, in a shower, then the possibilities get more interesting....

when these **multiple bodies start impacting the atmosphere each with its own positive charge, the combined multiple positive charges on the comet shower would collide with the positive higher atmosphere.. and start to burn with multiple parallel fiery conductive paths... these fiery tracks are like short-circuiting parallel conductors for electric current to discharge the upper atmosphere... when this track gets closer to the surface of the earth, the negatively charged earth and the positively charged comet strike an arc... then bang... a discharge all the way to the ground just like lightning, it would be lightning :-) the vortex in the middle electric-arcifies a huge burn on the ground.... :-)

In that video from Cheryubinsk, a mini version of this lightning strike to earth seems to be what happened? I wonder if there was any evidence of lightning on the ground? In a much more energetic event like 'The Eye of the Sahara', if there were multiple fiery paths, and under the right circumstances, there might have been a real discharge arc initiated from the upper atmosphere....if there were a parallel series of charged hot bodies of numerous incoming bolides coming in close enough together? a series of impactors closely spaced might start and maybe keep a real welding arc going between the upper atmosphere and the ground, literally creating a column of plasma, a real dramatic scorcher that the Richat structure seems to show.... it even has that trademark electric discharge crater right on the rim of one of the central rings....
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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

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Re: The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room?

Unread postby Cargo » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:37 pm

Just on one point about "seen forming just ahead of the bolide", be aware that windshield can produce a wide array of artifacts. And while I do not doubt that the meteor passed through incredible electric fields, don't discount the pure kinetics of the event.

So look at this example
https://youtu.be/Tu1vhfnCd3o?t=173

And watch the windshield black spec blemish as it crosses over the shining, from 2:53 to 2:56, pause and rewind those two seconds over and over. Watch how the light which seems to shoot out from the front of the meteor tracks exactly in plane with that blemish. Which means that spec of light is actually a very tiny refraction in the windshield from small pit in the glass. And if you've ever Clayed your clear coat paint, or really closely examined a windshield, they are everywhere.

So I don't think your column discharge that you think you saw is accurate.
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