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Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

Unread postby sketch1946 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:37 pm

IMHO (well I'm not sure how humble I am :-) ) the issue about who to believe is important... I think people can be swayed by peer pressure or individual biases to believe things that are clearly likely to be false...

I don't believe this one author, Fomenko, one year older than myself, with his probable communist indoctrinated anti-religious education, with his weird system of evaluating history by mathematic formulae, is a reputable historian. IMHO :-)

Currently the mainstream media, google itself, and a myriad others openly admit filtering or restricting or manipulating so-called 'news'... politicians are caught out telling outright lies, and yet people are not shocked or dismayed enough, or are unable to insist on better behaviour. Universities have a strong pressure on students to bow to peer pressure. I read it was estimated half of recently published scientific papers make claims that are unreproducible. Big money messes with pure science. Commercial confidentiality hampers the growth of knowledge. Climategate showed that even big profile universities can attempt to tell lies. I have two books written about how Velikovsky was shamefully treated, despite his immaculate scholarly methods (and influential scholarly connections who even included Einstein). Yet Einstein the thinker had one of Velikovsky's books open on his desk the day Einstein died.

In chronology, my list of interlocking and cross referencing sources would be Herodotus, Homer, Pliny, Dudo, Xenophon, Marcellinus, the bible (BTW the bible has lots of history and chronology, and is the most studied, most picked over, most published book in history), the Septuagint, The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, Gildas, Nennius, The Venerable Bede, The Annals of the Four Masters, The Irish Nennius, Caesar, Dudo, Tacitus, Hesiod, Isidore of Seville, Isaac Newton, Edward Gibbon, Joinville and Villehardouin, The Secret History of the Mongols, the Sira (life of Muhammad), some Hadith (sayings and complementary writings of the muslims, Josephus (about 80 AD, complete expounding of the Bible for his Roman patron, and important source for Jewish history), Marco Polo, Virgil, Plato, Livy, Thucydides, Jamiesons Etymological Dictionary of the Scots Language (with a 250 page historical introduction), Will Durant, Josh McDowell, Cyrus Gordon, John of Damascus, two cd's with hundreds and hundreds of writings of the Church Fathers mainly from before 500AD, the 'silver bible' written in Gothic, the Icelandic Sagas, the Irish Chronicles, the Annals of Ulster etc, Jordanes, The Frankish chronicles (741-849 AD), many books on the history, etymology and development of languages, eg the germanic languages, Gothic, Old Norse, Old High German, Old English (incl Beowulf), Irish, Breton, Welsh, Cornish and Scots Gaelic stories, legends and chronicles, biographies incl Patrick, Columba, Constantine, Attila the Hun, Pepin the Short, Charles Martel the Hammer, Roland, Hrolf the Ganger, Aethelstan, Tostig, Harald Hardrader, etc etc... and many hundreds of books with photos of architecture, paintings, pottery and sculpture, coins, illuminated manuscripts all which include a pretty complete picture of the the historical period before 1000 AD.

It doesn't mean I believe every part of every book mentioned is true, just that the general picture is an organic whole, for instance I believe Velikovsky is likely to be correct in his criticism of the chronology of Egypt that was set in cement by Flinders-Petrie, and thus many events in the near east being out of whack with duplicate reigns of some leaders, Velikovsky gives very detailed and reliable quotes for his sources. The Hittites=Chaldeans is also very believable. Also I think Isaac Newton may have something in his criticisms of the exaggerated length of the Egyptian past, so both V and N fit together in a loose sort of way; like Fomenko maintains; history can be falsified either deliberately or by generations of people being taught in error.
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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

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sketch,
Just a bit of advice as you are new to the forum. If you are intending to post something of any size, do it in notepad first. This forum software has a reputation for eating posts every now and again.
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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

Unread postby sketch1946 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:37 pm

@Grey Cloud
Thanks for the advice, did something get chewed up at your end?
Every post I've sent seems to have gone through OK looking from here... I did have a few issues with one post about Roman Numerals, which php didn't like, then a screen dump and attach as pic limited me to 50k which seems excessively small, others seem to be able to post some higher res pics, I must be missing something :-)
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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

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If I have the least bit of knowledge
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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

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If I have the least bit of knowledge
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The great Way is simple
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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

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If I have the least bit of knowledge
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The great Way is simple
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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

Unread postby sketch1946 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:26 am

OK, I found a link to an overview of Fomenko and his chronological theories...

Like most things it's obvious there is some truth mixed with some big porkies... I believe the wheelings and dealings of the medieval Roman Catholics were not always bastions of virtue... neither were any ancient tribe, Saxons, Scots, Picts, Irish, Vikings, Ostrogoths, Burgundians, Visigoths, Normans, Franks, Hunnic, Vandal, Alan, Magyar, Bulgar, and Muslim hordes, Frankish crusaders, or the dynasties of Mongols that stretched from Eastern Europe and Hungary to China and India, Persia and Mesopotamia, they all had their stories to tell, their claims to fame, their battles and defeats... various nationalistic or blatantly racist historians from every side have exaggerated, lied, manipulated stories but the greatest argument against Fomenko is the sheer volume of forgery that would have to be done, not just an impossibility, it's just a fairy story...

"The overwhelming argument against the Phantom Time concept is the effort to create/forge the written accounts, literature, poetry etc; and then to destroy all the traces of this fraudulent effort, is a task that one generation of writers could never fulfill. The enormous expenditure of effort this fraud would have needed makes these theories not just highly improbable but fantasies."

So naturally I don't agree with every word in this link, but overall it seems well informed:
http://members.westnet.com.au/gary-davi ... ge9bb.html
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Re: Anatoly Fomenko: False Chonology

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