Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby seasmith » Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:03 am

mtDNA

Isn't the whole "Out of Africa" movement founded on mitachondrial DNA, (and millennial politics) ?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Vecta3 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:42 am

Lloyd wrote:Jesus, Born of a Virgin (Virgo?)
Mo, that's interesting info about the constellations having been named after images seen in the ancient sky. I got the idea a few years ago that the biblical prophecy that the Savior would be born of a Virgin might have meant that he would be born in the Sign of the Virgin, because I read at that time an interesting article online that gave good reasons to believe from the Bible that Jesus was born on or about September 11. And I knew that that's in the month when the Sun is in Virgo. As soon as I realized it was Virgo I got the idea that that might be what was meant by being born of a Virgin. I still consider it possible that his mother was actually a virgin, since science should be able to accomplish such a feat eventually too, since there is already asexual reproduction. But I'm inclined to think it was referring to the sign of the Virgin.

Then I found material online that said that the biblical prophecies about End Times describe what will be seen in the sky at that time and someone used sky chart software to see when those descriptions might occur. Here in my notes are what was found.
_The Signs of the Book of Revelation
-Amos 4:13,5:18-20,8:9 refers to a solar eclipse that would happen in the end times
-Rev. 6:12 solar eclipse and lunar eclipse in Jerusalem [will occur] on August 2 and August 16, 2027 A.D.
-Revelation 12:1 the sky over Jerusalem [will show]:
-the constellation Virgo is standing on her head; the moon is under her feet; Virgo is clothed in the sun
-Mars symbol of male sex is located where Virgo’s womb would be
[These will occur] over Jerusalem at sunset on August 5, 2027
-Revelation 12:5 a clear description of the birth of Jesus Christ


So that reference to Virgo, the Virgin, reinforced my suspicion that the virgin referred to the Constellation, Virgo.

Here's the site this last info seems to have come from: http://ezinearticles.com/?Old-Testament-History-Revised----What-If-the-Bible-is-Correct-About-History?&id=755832. It's from a download, which I don't want to mess with right now.

I think the End Times occurred in 70 AD, but if the software can't find the same sky pattern for that time period, then I'll be less confident about 70 AD.


Steiner reckoned that all spiritually advanced beings, like Mary, are chaste/virginal whether they have sex or not. Supposedly the body and spirit are clearly separated when an advanced soul incarnates in the physical.

There is also a story in the Puranas about the God incarnate Krishna, who lived with his consort Radha. One day a well known sage Durvasa was camped with his followers on the other side of the river. Krishna and Radha, as good householders, prepared food for the mendicants (dharma- order). Radha was about to deliver the food when she realised that the river was in full spate and she couldn't cross it. Krishna said "go to the river and say 'if Krishna is eternally celibate, O River subside!'" Radhha new well the power of uttering the true word, but she above all knew of his amorous delights. She went to the river and asked the question, and to her surprise, the river subsided. She proceeded to take the food to Durvasa, who was pleased and ate heartily along with his disciples. When it was time to return Radha seeing the river was again in full spate asked Durvasa for help. He said "go to the river and say 'if Durvasa is eternally fasting, O River, subside!'". She did this although she had just seen the sage eat, and the river subsided and she returned home.

it was then she realised the truth of what Krishna taught Arjuna, all action is done by Prakriti [nature] and the self is not the doer.......he who is above the gunas [constituents of Prakriti] does not abhor illumination nor impulsion to action nor delusion when they occur, nor longs for them when they cease (Bhagavad Gita 13:29, 14:22).
two birds on one tree, one eats the sweet fruit and the other looks on without eating (i.164.20).

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:13 pm

Vecta3, the river is the line of stars that is the Milky Way. The characters are planets or the magnetospheres around planets. Thus the stories of Krishna and Christ are about planets. The psychological input is incidental.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Vecta3 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:42 pm

The psychological input is incidental.


It seems to hold a clear message that is less than incidental. Whether it is correct in relation to the virgin birth is up for debate but obviously it's saying that in an enlightened being ; the body and spirit exist as two entities, one doer and one watcher...2 birds on a tree..that's pretty clear...as it actually says it with nothing left to implication. It's not relating to the Mahabarahta here I don't think. I did think Krishna might be Mars as the hero but it's holographic and multilayered no? Krishna is also a human hero/messiah.

Why would Radha finish with a psychological explanation if it were not even relevant??
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Lloyd » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:41 pm

Venus Catastrophe

I think Venus can be definitely identified as a participant in global cataclysms over 4,000 years ago. It was seen first as a beautiful goddess, then it was the heart that flew out of a god, then it became a great comet dragon that brought darkness and finally it was seen to settle near the Sun as present-day Venus. Here are excepts from Dave Talbott's article The Great Comet Venus, at http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_asteroids_comets63.htm.

VENUS IN MYTH AND SCIENCE
- In the popular imagination, Venus means something like the love goddess ... But ... from the classical age [the] ancient goddess [was an] unpredictable character, a celestial power raging against gods and heroes, a charmer [and a] world-threatening hag or witch. ... In myths the world over, Venus is the only planet consistently identified as a female power. ... In Worlds in Collision, Velikovsky drew on widespread myths and images of the planet Venus, all suggesting that in earlier times Venus was anything but a settled planet.
- A minimum of 100,000 volcanoes have been estimated [on Venus]. ... A great deal of volcanic activity is apparently still going on. ... Velikovsky ... claimed that the mythical record presents a coherent story of celestial disaster, with Venus as provocateur. ... The solar system has been unstable within human memory ... within the past few thousand years.

VENUS AND THE PLANETARY GODS
- The anomalous cometary traits of Venus in ancient myth and astronomy became key pieces of the argument, and the strength of the argument derived from the breadth of sources. ... He found in both the Americas and the Near East a recurring association of Venus with celestial hair and with a celestial beard, two of the most common hieroglyphs for the comet in the ancient world. But another popular glyph for the comet was the serpent or dragon, a form taken by the planet Venus in virtually every land. ... The same planet, among the Babylonians and other races, was called the flame, or torch of heaven, a widespread symbol of a comet among ancient peoples.
- Velikovsky's comet Venus lies very close to the center of ancient religious, artistic and literary traditions. ... If the myths of widespread cultures present the same improbable story in significant detail, then it is the localized explanation that becomes impossible. A reasonable methodology cannot ignore the convergence of recurring themes on an underlying idea.
- In seeking out the underlying patterns of myth, I found three key figures: Creator-king; ... Mother-goddess; ... Warrior-hero. ... The planet Venus is inseparably linked to the mother goddess ... The mother goddess is inseparably linked to both the creator-king and the warrior-hero. Because the goddess is the departing heart-soul of the creator-king and also the mother or consort of the warrior-hero, it is virtually impossible to explore the cometary symbols attached to Venus without continually bumping into the two companion personalities.
- We will begin [with] Mesoamerican myths, symbols and astronomical traditions of Venus. That will be followed ... by summaries of the Venus-image among other cultures

SMOKING STAR
- In arguing for the cometary character of Venus, Velikovsky cited Aztec records suggesting that the planet Venus shared the same title given a comet. The early traditions of the peoples of Mexico ... relate that Venus smoked. [It was] the star that smoked.... Sahagun ... wrote that the Mexicans called a comet a star that smoked. [Thus] the Mexicans ... considered [Venus] a comet. ... A number of ... Aztec records say that the earth shook and the star (Venus) smoked. ... With respect to the comets portrayed in the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Telleriano-Remensis, ... Anthony Aveni writes: Comets ... are represented frequently ... by a stellar image on a blue background with emanating streams of smoke.
- Appearance of a comet, death of a great ruler, quaking earth, not in Mexico alone, but in one ancient culture after another, the skywatchers repeatedly placed these unusual themes in juxtaposition, despite this crucial fact: no comet observed by science has ever justified the symbolic connection.
- Throughout the Americas, including Mexico, natives called a comet the star with hair, or a long-haired star, or a maned star, an appellation that fits comfortably with the global language of the comet. In fact, the long-haired star is the single most common phrase for the comet around the world, and our own word for comet comes from the Greek kometes, the long-haired star.
- Yucatec Maya dictionaries give as a gloss for smoke star the maned comet. But curiously, the Aztecs used this very language for Venus. ... They called the planet Tzonte-Mocque, meaning the mane-star, or long-haired star. And not the Aztecs alone: for one finds among the Maya the same enigmatic association of the planet Venus with long flowing hair. ... A commonly observed Maya hieroglyph is the Caban-curl, a flowing tassel or lock of hair repeatedly attached to acknowledged Venus symbols, including the glyph-name of Venus itself.
- Turn to the Incan language [where] the name of Venus [is] Chasca, translated as the long-haired star, or the youth with the long and curling locks. ... Brundage tells us that among the Inca, Venus was the Radiant Star with the Flowing Hair. The morning star, Chasca (The Disheveled One), dispensed stores of freshness and loveliness upon flowers, princesses, and virgins below. She was the deity of the rosy cloud rack of morning, and when she shook out her long hair she scattered the dew upon the earth.
- Around the world there are only a small number of pre-astronomical hieroglyphs for the comet: 1. heart-soul of a deceased great leader rising in the sky; 2. long-haired star; 3. torch-star; 4. celestial feather; 5. cosmic serpent or dragon; 6. a sword; 7. a bundle of grass or straw; 8. spiraling rope.

QUETZALCOATL
- Whether remembered by the Aztecs as a former great king and founder of the golden age, or a former sun god ruling a primordial epoch, Quetzalcoatl was a cultural hero without equal.... The climactic event in the Quetzalcoatl myth is the god's catastrophic death and transformation in an overwhelming disaster.... At the death of Quetzalcoatl the god's heart or soul rose in the sky as a great spark or ember, trailing smoke and fire, a star whose fiery train the Aztecs portrayed as the streaming tail of a quetzal-bird.
- The Pawnee gave to the comet the name ... feathered headdress.... In Africa, the streaming comet's tail [is called] the feathers of the nightjar, [or] streaming feathers. ... Germanic races called a comet the peacock's tail, while in China a comet was seen as [either] a peacock's tail [or] a pheasant's tail.
- In South American lore, the soul of a shaman was believed to depart in the form of a comet. ... In their myths and rites the Aztecs say the separated heart-soul of Quetzalcoatl, following a period of darkened sky and cosmic upheaval, rose as the planet Venus. ... No mythical-historical event left a deeper impression on Aztec thought and culture.

SOUL-BIRD, WINGED STAR
- [One] Mesoamerican tradition [said] the heart-soul sprout[ed] wings, ... taking flight like a bird or a butterfly. ... In the Vienna Codex ... the planet Venus is depicted with wing-like appendages. ... The avian flight of the heart-soul is a world-wide theme. The earliest instances will be found in Mesopotamia and Egypt, where the Venus goddesses Inanna, Ishtar, Isis and Hathor (to name only the most prominent instances) all represent the soul in the form of a bird taking flight. Thus, the great god-kings, whose heart-souls are the star Venus, customarily depart in the form of a dove, partridge, or swallow, virtually universal symbols of Venus, of transformation, and of the departing soul.
- The Babylonians employed the phrase winged star for the comet. ... It is when Venus as soul-bird spreads its wings that the cometary images are most emphatic.

FEATHERED SERPENT
- The planet Venus, the rising heart-soul of Quetzalcoatl, ... is [also] said to have taken the form of a great cosmic serpent (... both in Mexico and in the universal language of comets). ... Quetzalcoatl [means] quetzal-bird ... and ... serpent. ... The earliest known version of the plumed serpent ... appear[ed] on monuments of the Formative Olmecs. The Maya name for the same god [was] Kulkulkan, ... the Quich Gucumatz, ... Zuni ... Kolowisi and Hopi ... Palulukong. ... The identification of the spiraling serpent itself ... with Venus has survived even into modern times. Some of the Tzotzil groups ... still describe Venus as the Big Serpent, Mukta Ch'on. Among the Chichimec tribes, Venus is still remembered as the Serpent Cloud.
- Aztec manuscripts depict a comet as a fiery serpent or dragon-like creature descending from the stars.... With respect to the Mesoamerican celestial serpents and dragons, there is also the issue of attached streamers that often look more like long-flowing, spiraling locks of hair than like feathers. This unique feature is particularly significant since the disheveled mane of the celestial serpent-dragon is a worldwide motif. ... No stretch at all is needed to establish the equation of flowing mane and serpent-dragon or chaos monster.
- The Aztec Tzonte-Mocque, identified with the planet Venus, and whose name Brasseur translated as mane, was depicted as a dragon-like monster approaching the Earth in periods of eclipse or universal darkness. ... A counterpart of this chaos- or eclipse-demon is the Aztec Tzitzimitl, with madly disheveled hair, descending upon a darkened world. ... A symbolic counterpart of this streaming hair is the enigmatic, but frequently depicted beard of the Mesoamerican serpent-dragon.
- The outlandish merging of cat, lion, jaguar, tiger, or lynx with a celestial serpent seems to have occurred in all major cultures. ... What one looks for is an underlying shared attribute -- it is the mane of the celestial feline figure and the twisting body or tail of the celestial serpent. ... The Egyptian instance of the goddess Tefnut, the Eye (= heart-soul) of the former sun god Ra ..., on its departure, becomes the raging Uraeus serpent, ... also ... a lion head with flaming, smoking mane.

XIUHCOATL
- The so-called Fire Dragon Xiuhcoatl, ... translated literally [as] Turquoise Dragon ... was described as a heavenly torch. ... [XIUHCOATL] can be identified, from the quincunx (the five points that together form the emblem of the morning star) that adorns him, as the planet Venus. ... It was said of the great fire serpent Xiuhcoatl that it spewed forth comets. ... Xiuhcoatl was not just a comet, but the parent of comets....
- The motifs are: death of the king, celestial rebellion, and appearance of the comet as both a sign of world change (passing of world ages) and a weapon launched against the rebels.
- Once the critic resorts to unbridled imagination as an explanation of highly specific forms, he is left with nothing but coincidence to account for the convergence [of motifs worldwide]. ... If Venus did appear as a comet, the entire assembly of improbable coincidences disappears.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:03 pm

Vecta3, I'm not saying that the psychological and philosophical stuff is not significant, it is just that it was clearly written into the original story, which was a planetary story. This original story had deep power and impact, probably because there was impact associated with it. As time went by the original meaning disappeared from the sky and alternative meaning was infused into the story.

So these ancients had these two things - deep ancient stories that were in all lands, and stuff about correct living and spirituality and kundalini, etc. It is very obvious what happened, they were combined. Unfortunately this caused problems in the long run.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:07 am

Lloyd,
But ... from the classical age [the] ancient goddess [was an] unpredictable character, a celestial power raging against gods and heroes, a charmer [and a] world-threatening hag or witch.
This is typical Talbott, a statement made without any examples or sources. The 'classical age' is circa 5th century BCE - the age of Plato etc. The planet Venus was the morning and evening star (Phosphorus or Eosphorus and Hesperus). The goddess herself is never to my knowledge portrayed as a hag or a witch by the Greeks. I can't think of any examoles from other cultures either.

Creator-king; ... Mother-goddess; ... Warrior-hero. ... The planet Venus is inseparably linked to the mother goddess ... The mother goddess is inseparably linked to both the creator-king and the warrior-hero.
All goddesses are linked to the mother-goddess just as all gods are linked to the father-god (aka the creator-god). The creator-god and the warrior-hero are linked to the mother-goddess but not to the planet Venus.

Because the goddess is the departing heart-soul of the creator-king and also the mother or consort of the warrior-hero, it is virtually impossible to explore the cometary symbols attached to Venus without continually bumping into the two companion personalities.
What the hell is a 'departing heart-soul'?

In arguing for the cometary character of Venus, Velikovsky cited Aztec records....
Aztecs were mediaeval so they are hardly eye-witnesses.

Germanic races called a comet the peacock's tail,
How would the Germanic people know about peafowl?
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:22 am

moses wrote:Vecta3, I'm not saying that the psychological and philosophical stuff is not significant, it is just that it was clearly written into the original story, which was a planetary story. This original story had deep power and impact, probably because there was impact associated with it. As time went by the original meaning disappeared from the sky and alternative meaning was infused into the story.

So these ancients had these two things - deep ancient stories that were in all lands, and stuff about correct living and spirituality and kundalini, etc. It is very obvious what happened, they were combined. Unfortunately this caused problems in the long run.

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Mo,
You have no evidence that the psy/phil part was 'clearly' written in to the original story. People had psychologies and philosophies before they had catastrophes.
This 'which came first' argument is largely academic anyway. The people who wrote these stories were more than capable of writing multiple layers into them.
I don't see anything to do with planets in Vecta3's story. The story is not meant to be read by/with a western mind-set. I immediately understood it as Vecta3 does, albeit through the lens of Taoism.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:43 pm

Grey Cloud,
Perhaps it was more that the priesthood had philosophies. The masses had dramatic things happening in the sky that they attributed to gods and produced world-wide stories about such. Then as the sky scenes abated the stories were philosophised by the priesthood as time went by.

So the which came first argument is crucial to understanding these stories as they are now. I don't believe that you cannot see these stories starting in the sky scenes. How the ancient gods of the sky are associated with Krishna or Christ is crucial to understanding religion.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Vecta3 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:08 pm

Moses, are you saying that Jesus or Krishna were never intended to be viewed as men? In the story I posited how would that be viewed from a planetary perspective? Or you're saying the story changed so much to have lost it's actual meaning? If the story were philosophised, as you say, then it was an very good job as the message the story contains is, to me, an excellent one. St. George defeating the Dragon could be said to indicate man overcoming his lower nature. Krishna, also the hero here, could also said to have overcome his lower base nature so that they, his higher and lower nature, live apart and yet together. Neither disturbing or influencing the other. A body that's own innate intelligence is allowed to operate w/o influewnce from a confused mind would never over eat etc.

Indeed the story of Ekpyrosis could still be viewed as contained within the story I shared when viewed as if Krishna (Mars in higher nature aspect) subdued the Dragon (Venus in the lower nature terrible aspect). The solar system as one person also with aspects overcoming each other to achieve harmony. Also it could not be denied that man as an individual entity, like me and thee, must also achieve this balance so Krishna, to me, was most likely a man too. Born 2000 BC supposedly. 2000 years before Christ. Supposedly the Lord Maitreya incarnates every 2000 years with a lesser member of the "Brotherhood" incarnating once every 500- years between. Which planet is Jesus supposed to be because the "Christ" is a position, a title, a type of consciousness, not a name.

The Puranas strike me as being complete within themselves in how well they are written...not fudged about and altered by some mischievous priest class. The story is not one of control either but is really describing how the enlightened act. The teaching contained explains how they are not ruled by their lower nature yet also do no deny it. It's a pretty perfect slice served up on any day of the week that couldn't be improved by alteration before or after.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:26 pm

Mo,
Perhaps it was more that the priesthood had philosophies. The masses had dramatic things happening in the sky that they attributed to gods and produced world-wide stories about such. Then as the sky scenes abated the stories were philosophised by the priesthood as time went by.
Did not the priests have 'dramatic things happening in the sky' also?
You seem to think that this catastrophe was a one-off event (occurring over a short period)? This isn't what either the ancient texts or modern archaeologists say.

I don't believe that you cannot see these stories starting in the sky scenes.
Believe it. I've read far too many ancient religious and/or philosophical texts to come even close to seeing these stories starting in the sky. Ancient, and modern Eastern, theology/philosophy is fundamentally different from the Judaic-Christian-Islamic position.

How the ancient gods of the sky are associated with Krishna or Christ is crucial to understanding religion.
No it isn't. Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu so how do you explain that in the context of the Saturn Theory? Jesus, if he actually existed, was ~1,000 years after the catastrophe which caused the Late Bronze-Age collapse. How do you explain that?
You are flogging a dead horse with the Saturn Theory. There is no evidence just a string of baseless assertions and vague generalisations. Catastrophes (plural) yes; Saturn Theories (also plural) no.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Brigit Bara » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:36 pm

There is an old bromide about the economist who asks, "Given these conclusions, what assumptions can we draw?"

I think this is the way that all comparative mythologists work.

"Since all people worshiped planets, how did this culture worship planets?"
"Since most goddesses refer to Venus as a comet, how did these people worship Venus as a comet?"

A simple alternative to this approach would be to recognize that these myths and legends contain evidence of electrical catastrophes, and that different people, tribes and languages responded completely differently to the catastrophe.

Here are several ways I have discovered people responded to the planetary motions and the resulting electrical scarring of the earth:

1. They stated forthrightly that the planets had come close to earth and caused periodic disasters.

2. They used wars and thunderbolts in the Aegean to preserve the memory, knowingly.

3. They used wars and thunderbolts in the Aegean (such as the Gigantomachy) to preserve the memory but forgot why. Many details are preserved well.

4. They used lively images and stories to embody the events and pass them on. The thunderbirds of North America are good examples of this. These preserve excellent detail. The thunderbirds are regarded as neutral or benign, but the horned serpents are regarded as evil, dark, and deadly. It is quite simple to see that the thunderbirds refer to planets and/or plasma auroral displays, and the horned serpents are return strokes from the ground, which were feared as deadly.

5. They forbade the worship of idols and of any of the host of heaven. "“And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage."


Remember the number one rule in movie making: "Show don't tell."

This is both comfortable to an ancient way of picturing lofty ideas and philosophy, and also a way of showing events which cannot be told because they are so extraordinary. "Show don't tell" was effective and the memory has been kept.

What I would caution is that the arguments for electrical catastrophe are truly compelling because of the petroglyphs, and because of the science of planetary electrical scarring developed best by thunderbolts. But the work with legends is full of assumptions drawn from a conclusion. Nevertheless, on a personal level, I love the doors it opened for me: direct experience with complete legends in original forms. Complete texts are the best teacher -- if you don't try to puree or homogenize it, so that like a liquid it will take the form of any container you later pour it into.

Return stroke = horned serpent:
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby moses » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:40 pm

Vecta3:
<If the story were philosophised, as you say, then it was an very good job as the message the story contains is, to me, an excellent one.>

Absolutely, but I see it as priest's work, the ordinary person being pretty much just like today, but with these stories of things in the sky.

Krishna was a humanised sky god. The attributes were human and godly. Perhaps later people came to look for such godly humans through prophecy and such. So some child could be taught to become such. So the original story morphs again.

Whenever one sees 'dragon' then it is a cold certainty that that story originated in the sky.

The Puranas are wonderful and I have the greatest respect for the ancient priests. However one will not fully understand the Puranas unless one sees the ancient sky events therein. That is crucial.

Grey Cloud,
I certainly don't think that there was one past sky event, but each event may have produced a story.

I am not much into the Saturn Theory at the moment and have not mentioned it above, I think. The story of Jesus, which is the story of Krishna, in essence, would have been written and talked about for thousands of years, especially amongst the priests. So no explanation needed.

I don't want to knock the religions, I see the teachings as magnificent, however I see sky events in there too which severely complicate matters, in my opinion. Complications which don't help.

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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby webolife » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:27 am

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I appreciate your cautious, yet tolerant and thoughtful approach to this subject, which inspires and I hope also characterizes my own. Traditions were passed down among the ancestors for a reason, which the [post]modern scientific community has intentionally and methodically [eg. through the public education forum] tossed off as primitive fear and superstition worthy of derision for about a century and a half, especially the last five or so decades since the revision of the Humanist Manifesto following WWII. These people [our ancestors] were brilliant, creative, resourceful, and conscientious in instilling in their offspring the recognition of the works of God in the heavens, and on the earth. Dismissal of these traditions outright leaves us in the realm of forgetfulness, revision, redaction, and frankly losing our sense of place in history and in the universe. That said, we must be watchful of the temptation to invent their original intent from the raw materials of our own preferential paradigms.
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Re: Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm

Unread postby Roshi » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:05 am

New idea, after seeing a video of Donald Scott:

What if the Richat structure was the evidence of an electric arc between Earth and some other body, and this was the "pillar of fire" mentioned in the Exodus in the bible? The problem is that it's in the other direction, looking from Egypt to Canaan.
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