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albedo anomaly explained simply by EU theory

Unread postby meemoe_uk » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:13 pm

I was browsing the wiki data on one of my favourite moons, Enceladus, when I noticed something odd. Enceladus has an albedo of 1.375.
I knew before that Enceladus had a very high albedo, but this was the 1st time I realised something was odd.

Albedo is just a ratio of the amount of incident light reflected off a body. With this basic definition of albedo, the maximum it can be is 1.

Soooo..... what gives?
Digging slightly deeper into the wiki page I found that there's a 2nd type of albedo, called a "visual geometric albedo".
To understand the with this albedo you need to consider diffuse scattering of light. Diffuse scattering is what happens when white light hits white paper, it flys off in random directions, >99% of the light is re-emitted but its direction has been diffused. This is what should happen when sunlight hits a moon.
But with "visual geometric albedo", somehow the moon's surface conspires to NOT diffuse the light, but instead send it straight back in the direction it came, like a mirror, a mirror thats pointing at just the right angle.

Wiki says that Enceladus uses this visual geometric albedo.

But I wasn't satisfied. Fresh snow only has an albedo ( visual geometric or not ) of , at best, 0.9. Also the NASA data on which the wiki page is based says the surface is made of ice.
Oh uh. Not only does ice fall short of albedo, It's the moons are made out of ice meme again from NASA. Looking around the wiki page there was ice to explain the features we know to be electric and plasma phenomena.
I think Enceladus' surface is rock btw.

Yeah NASA still reckon these plumes are caused by sub surface cryo volcanos.
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NASA are a bunch of space noobs

OK. So if surface acting like a mirror isn't an immediately satisfactory explanation for >1 albedo, I decided to do some more digging on this strange visual albedo effect.
The 1st thing I looked for was replication in the lab.
Guess what?
There isn't any. There's no equivalent measure in material science which measures a tricky effect of non-organised material to 'know' which way light was incident on it and to reflect it back the same way.

This was just getting odder. Its been known for over 50 years that planets and moons have been reflecting more light back than they should.

Wiki links to a discussion about the problem here

On that thread they attribute it to another effect named opposition surge, which can be observed at much smaller scale. It was seen around astronauts that the light near their shadows was brighter than it should have been.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_surge

The cause of opposition surge is not yet understood by conventional space science. 2 conventional theories are proposed, but they both fail in the lab.

So here we are again. A question that conventional space science can't resolve despite over 50 years of observations.

How does Enceladus seem to reflect more light than it should?
How does illuminated moon surface give off more light if it is near a shadow?
Why hasn't conventional science figured it out in all this time?

Well for us EU people there an obvious gap in NASA's attempt to understand these problems. Electro-magnetic effects of plasma and charged matter have been ignored.

The surface of rocky moons without atmospheres are in electrically excited states, when stimulated by sunlight, they are able to release potential energy and therefore emit more energy that otherwise expected. Surface near shadows is electrically connected to the surface in the shadow, so when stimulated it drains electrical energy from the shadowed surface, therefore gaining even further radiance.

It's no surprise to us that Enceladus, as a known electrically active moon, is producing the most striking extra albedo.

The effect can been seen all over the solar system where electrical phenomena are occurring.
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On the Earth's moon, extra radiance is mostly localised to electrically active 'craters'
but on Enceladus its more globalised.


So there you go. Yet again, EU theory explains what 50 years of conventional space science could not. 'Opposition surge' is no longer a mystery.
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Re: albedo anomaly explained simply by EU theory

Unread postby meemoe_uk » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:14 am

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These are un-enhanced images of Saturn as it passes near zero phase angle and exhibited 'opposition surge' ( photon-stimulated emission ).
Conventional astronomers thought it very remarkable.

The whole of the Saturnian system is highly ionized so all it's bodies have high opposition surge.
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Ocean inside Saturn Moon

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Re: Latest from Enceladus

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Enceladus Plasma circuit?

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Re: Latest from Enceladus

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Re: Latest from Enceladus

Unread postby madkevo » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:41 pm

Hi all,
I searched but didn't find a more recent thread covering this:
Cassini is going to approach the south pole of Enceladus tomorrow the 28th while they expect the plumes to be, well, doing what plumes do!
Any last minute predictions ?

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"Oct. 28 – Enceladus flyby (30 miles, or 49 kilometers) – E21 This daring flyby will bring the spacecraft within 30 miles (48 kilometers) of Enceladus’ south pole. The flyby is timed to occur when the moon’s plumes are at their maximum output -- a first for the mission. This will allow Cassini to obtain the most accurate measurements yet of the plume's composition"
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Re: Latest from Enceladus

Unread postby ThunderIdeal » Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:44 am

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plume analysis will be a few weeks coming

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4759

a nice selection of new images in above story and more images in link below

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/flyb ... s20151028/

i don't understand what i'm looking at in these two

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/r ... eID=342934

http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/r ... eID=342933
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Re: Latest from Enceladus

Unread postby jacmac » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:16 am

If the surface is ice of some kind, the circular patterns seem consistent with electric currents melting some central areas and causing concentric ripples in the surface that hold that shape upon refreezing.
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Re: Latest from Enceladus

Unread postby 601L1n9FR09 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:18 pm

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-article ... netosphere
Figured someone here might find this interesting.
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Re: Latest from Enceladus

Unread postby comingfrom » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:13 am

Molecular hydrogen found in ice plumes.

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Re: Latest from Enceladus

Unread postby webolife » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:52 am

Truth extends beyond the border of self-limiting science. Free discourse among opposing viewpoints draws the open-minded away from the darkness of inevitable bias and nearer to the light of universal reality.
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Re: Latest from Enceladus

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