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Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby GaryN » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:22 am

In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby dodeca » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:12 pm

Them guys at esa knows it all along; NO ICE. They knew it from the beginning. But they will tell the otherside this little by little.

Imagine they tell everybody: Hey guys no ice we have to start all over again. The otherside won't accept that and no more funds for ESA.

So this is how they do it, ESA are smart people.
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby seasmith » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:26 pm

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Methane Seep Biloxi Dome GoM:

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http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories201 ... lorer.html



Rosetta image of soft material flow:

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http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/09/18 ... ttas-eyes/


Water/ice not required, only a transition of pressure / temperature...
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby BohemianExile » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:46 am

It looks like there are bright spots near where this activity on the surface is taking place. I am not an expert by any means but when I saw the bright spots on Ceres I immediately thought that it must be something that the EU people have been talking about. Now with these images of the Imhotep region it is clear that the same process is going on. On the ESA blog they are pointing to areas where new features were seen to have formed and that is exactly where there are bright spots. Maybe we don't have a long enough period of observation on Ceres to determine if changes have occurred where the bright spots are but that is certainly the case on 67/P. This is really an amazing mission. I am grateful to the Thunderbolts community for enlightening me so that I can see these images with an open mind and not fall into the icy hype. The Ceres people keep insisting on salts but all that needs to be done is to connect these images of changes in the surface features on 67/P that have bright spots with the bright spots on Ceres. I am pretty confident that we are witnessing the holy grail of EU planetary science.

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby viscount aero » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:56 am

I re-read this part as it is very reaching, vague, and almost without meaning:

"A simple possibility is that the surface material is very weak, allowing for more rapid erosion, but it is also possible that the crystallisation of amorphous ice or the destabilisation of so-called ‘clathrates’ (a lattice of one kind of molecule containing other molecules) could liberate energy and thus drive the expansion of the features at faster speeds."

They propose the process occurs via "crystallisation of amorphous ice" via "destabilisation of ‘clathrates’ that "could liberate energy"---what does that mean? What is the causal agency for this vague idea?

"...and thus drive the expansion of the features at faster speeds..."---what? Their explanation is a non-conclusion and explains nothing.
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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby D_Archer » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:37 am

Anybody want to explain how the 'dust' action is electrical in nature?

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Daniel

ps. I would do it myself but i like to hear someone else explain it :D
pss. As EU pointed out on comet Tempel I where an active rim was seen eroding the surface. see img

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Throwing Down the Gauntlet to ESA...

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Receding Margins at Imhotep on67P-C/G

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Re: 'Welease Wosetta!'

Unread postby Frantic » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:21 pm

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Receding margins via electrical transport

Unread postby dahlenaz » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:31 pm

This next image -from a variation of the previous experiment- shows
electric-wind-caused mirgation of material from margins. Here i brought the
arc-discharge probe above the surface while the lowere arc was still active.

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You will see in the video (dahlenaz07 on youtube) that re-deposition of material
to nearby areas occurrs rather fast but that is less important than migration of margins
by invisible dark-mode electrical exchange.

The white surface was not a conductor and this experiment was done at high humidity..

d..z

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