querious wrote:Webbman wrote:a lot of questions could be answered by comparing gravity's effects on hydrogen and helium atoms.
It is my expectation that since hydrogen has no neutrons, gravity will be different (most likely diminished) than that of the helium atom other than the factor of the atomic mass difference.
Then what is your expectation (with regard to gravity) for a charged vs uncharged piece of foil?
Some charged foils can actually fly. But I think most of it is due to the flow of ionized air.
If we can believe tesla or Hutchison there might be something electrictrical or magnetic with electricity.
I agree with you that I do not think that electric force is exactly how gravity works.
But I do think that it is possible that gravity is related to the electric force in some way.
Salsbury talks about sub-electron particles, and maybe that is what Thornhill means too.
These sub-electron particles might be responsible for quantum-like effects.
I simply translate this as: "there is a relation between gravity and electromagnetism,
that appears at quantum level physics."
My opinion about quantum-physics is a bit different, because I regard (most) particles illusionary.
But I do think that quantum-effects are responsible for both gravity, mass and time.
Funny enough, some mainstream scientists have similar idea (about quantum-entanglement and gravity):
http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.4568 Sadly they mix it with invalid concepts like dark energy, but the principle might be interesting.
Note that entanglement is usually related with the magnetic spin of particles. So it can have
a very strong connection with magnetism.
One underlying force and principle might be responsible for all different forces.
The electric force and magnetic force are very interconnected, thanks to the Lorentz transformations
(or alternatively Special relativity).
So a similar principle could be responsible for gravity.
I agree with Thornhill that the planetary structures are much more stable than we would expect due to a
gravity force. Newton's gravity is not a stable system. The sun could easily remove our moon from our planet, but it does not do that. Nor does Einsteins gravity seem more stable (while some claim it is).
James Keele explains how a computer simulation of Einstein's gravity is not realistic. But I'm not sure if he did the calculations exactly correct. But it is kind of known that Nasa still use the Newton's gravity formulas.
So what is stabilizing the orbits of the moons and the planets?
If we look at Saturn, electric charge might cause the rings to spread out so evenly. Any real gravity
would tear them apart instead, as you can see in any simulation with many particles.
With earth's gravity it does not seem to be simple electric charge. But I do think that gravity might have a polar force that creates some kind of stabilization effect. And if this polar force works on a very subtle quantum-level,
it could be very similar to what Thornhill describes.
But before jumping to any conclusions, I think that we should make such force more testable and
more mathematical. But that will take some time. Not everyone is like Srinivasa Ramanujan