Electric Saturn

[Metryq]

If the astronomers had been properly grounded (in EU concepts), they would not have been shocked.

[seasmith]

Metryq wrote:
If the astronomers had been properly grounded (in EU concepts), they would not have been shocked

Large ring as nova remnant ?

[Metryq]

Metryq wrote:
If the astronomers had been properly grounded (in EU concepts), they would not have been shocked

Large ring as nova remnant ?

Depends on one's definition of a nova, doesn't it? Meanwhile, Birkeland's experiments with the terrella generated toroidal plasma rings. Besides, the "rings" of novae are imagined to be an optical effect—the outer edge of a spherical bubble seen from a distance. The big ring around Saturn is a ring or torus, not a sphere.

[seasmith]

Metryq wrote:

Depends on one's definition of a nova, doesn't it? Meanwhile, Birkeland's experiments with the terrella generated toroidal plasma rings. Besides, the "rings" of novae are imagined to be an optical effect—the outer edge of a spherical bubble seen from a distance. The big ring around Saturn is a ring or torus, not a sphere.

Are you describing a 'Super nova'? Mightn't a brown dwarf/gas giant have a more controlled dissipative event, as a nova ?
Especially if the body is orbiting with another system.

Would Spin eject the original ~spherical~ plasma envelope outward, to form a nebulous torus; or maybe just preferentially broadcast the
nova energy out equatorially, as seems to be the radiative pattern of our present sun ?
I have no idea...

[comingfrom]

In this thread are several links to theories about the source of Saturn's rings.
I have a another suggestion.

A well known theory* proposes that the planets were once, not too long ago, in a polar configuration with Saturn. The same theory also speaks of plasma streams joining the planets, and streaming up to Saturn, forming the spokes of "the wheel of heaven", according to ancient testimonies.

Now couple that with the fact that Mars' northern hemisphere is excavated miles deep. So, having lost a significant proportion of it's rocky crust, and, if it had any water, has lost that also. So the material removed from Mars could be the source of Saturn's rings.

This would also explain why they look so brand spanking new.

* (David Talbot, Symbols in an Alien Sky)

[seasmith]

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Saturn’s icy moons, as well as its famous rings may only be hundred million years old, suggesting they formed during the reign of many dinosaurs.

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This would date the formation of the major moons of Saturn, with the exception of more distant Titan and Iapetus, to the relatively recent Cretaceous Period, the era of the dinosaurs.

“So the question arises, what caused the recent birth of the inner moons?” Cuk wondered. “Our best guess is that Saturn had a similar collection of moons before, but their orbits were disturbed by a special kind of orbital resonance involving Saturn’s motion around the Sun. Eventually, the orbits of neighboring moons crossed, and these objects collided. From this rubble, the present set of moons and rings formed.”

Or a mini-Nova event ...

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/03/ ... saurs.html

[comingfrom]

Cassini in situ observations of long-duration magnetic reconnection in Saturn’s magnetotail

Magnetic reconnection is being used to explain the presence of magnetic ropes, or flux transfer events (FTEs), connecting the Sun and Saturn.


Image source: Magnetic Rope observed for the first time between Saturn and the Sun

~Paul

[comingfrom]

On the news, new close ups of Pan, moon of Saturn.
So I googled it to find out more.

Can see the pictures at NY Times article
(images too large to insert here)

What caught my attention was ...

Pan is one of Saturn’s shepherd moons, clearing out a 200-mile-wide space in Saturn’s rings known as the Encke Gap.

Still, it didn't click with me until, right at the end of the article, they mentioned ...

In January, during a flyby of Daphnis, another of the shepherd moons, Cassini was able to successfully take only one photograph.

And I read the caption with the picture.

Cassini took this image of Daphnis, a 5-mile-wide moon, in January. Daphnis’ gravity also opened a gap in Saturn’s rings and created the scalloped wave pattern at the ring edges. Credit NASA/JPL-Caltech/Space Science Institute

On reading that I thought, what? "gravity opened a gap in the rings".
Gravity is a force of attraction. Isn't it?
I think it must be Daphnis' (and Pan's) electric field that clears the dust in it's orbital path, by repelling it.

~Paul

[GaryN]

From some angles, Pans disk appears clearly hexagonal, pointing to EM effects. Over time it would likely be observed that the disk will grow as a result of the electrically charged dust in the rings being sputtered onto Pan. Quite low eV energies are required for the process

[viscount aero]

Yea NASA/JPL, et al, uses gravity like duct tape. Gravity "clears out" everything. Really? Saturnian ring gaps are not created by "gravity." The rings, like the planet body, is a harmonic body created by EM vibration.

[nick c]

Several posts dealing with an off topic subject have been moved to a more appropriate thread here.

[webolife]

It does seem rather odd to consider these tiny moons clearing out a ring gap by gravity [analogous to say Jupiter or Saturn clearing out heir local orbits by attracting a large entourage of hardware into their vicinity in the form of satellites, Trojans, etc.], especially considering that other Panish-sized moons are seen rather to be discharging material to form rings!

[comingfrom]

If it were true (clearing out a ring gap by gravity) then we already had examples of gravitational waves.

This is a picture of Daphnis


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Atlas Is Even More Flying Saucery Than Pan



~Paul

[webolife]

Pan and Atlas, and other shepherd moons may be clearing their respective orbital paths, but it would seem to be more of an electrical effect, "waking" as they do the ring material ahead as well as behind in their revolution, by what appears to me as a repulsion and rebounding oscillation.

[seasmith]

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How about those new Cassini pics of Saturn's North Pole ?

[img]https://www.yahoo.com/news/spacecraft-survives-unprecedented-trip-between-saturn-rings-154244185.html[/img
https://www.yahoo.com/news/spacecraft-s ... 44185.html