How is the notion of cause and effect a religious doctrine. Aristotle for one, wrote on this subject.
Getting something from nothing is impossible according to every philosopher of the last several thousand years, from any continent. Thought precedes action. Potential precedes its realisation.
If the cause of an action is from beyond time then that from beyond time caused the action.
It does not matter what materialist doctrine allows. As I've just stated, thought precedes action. Thought is non-physical. So are love, fear and so on.[/quote]
I agree. We do not KNOW whether action can form from nothing. Some people believe that there is an (acausal) Eternal Domain (the realm of God?) that exists beyond the (causal?) physical realm.[/quote]
If thought precedes action, then we are getting something from 'nothing but thought' constantly, surely? I agree thought precedes action and potential precedes its realisation. If we stopped looking to religion for answers and started to look at science, one would see Junglelord has already spelled out his belief (for example) that everything starts from a non-material structure, develops into a vortex and then onward into geometric shape and atomic structure. Thought/idea is the non-material structure in an Information Universe, and yes, it's non-physical until it reaches the vortex stage.
Every reality starts as a vortex. Every vortex starts as a non-material structure. The vortex is the first thing we 'see' as it enters the Universe. What's on the other side of that vortex? Perhaps another vortex? Perhaps the question we should be asking now is 'what is this domain on 'the other side''?