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The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby davesmith_au » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:13 am

September 21 ~ Michael Goodspeed

The Internet is both the most useful and destructive communication tool in world history.

This still infantine technology can connect a Sufi in Darfur with a personal trainer in Santa Cruz, CA. We are all linked by mechanical conduits and invisible circuits, a seemingly living matrix whose every fabric was woven by the collective human consciousness. Nothing "lives" in this matrix that a human mind didn't invent. Ergo, it is no overstatement when the World Wide Web consortium describes the WWW as nothing less than "the embodiment of human knowledge." ...
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby Solar » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:28 am

The fact that there is the very existence of "" which is a "...network infrastructure reserved for education and research, which avoides commercial congestion and providing high-speed connectivity." - heartedly underscores the point of this article.

After reading this article I thought my; my, look at how polite they were at defining it :lol:
"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby soniaj » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:10 am

I wonder how this series is going to be made relevant to the Electric Universe. Or is it just social commentary?

My thought is that what we see on the internet is a symptom of the downward spiral of our culture. The loss of courtesy and politeness is evidence of a growing "every man for himself" mentality. The internet is not to blame--we are. Instead of growing more civilized, we have allowed ourselves to begin the fall toward barbarism.

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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby Solar » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:46 pm

"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby Plasmatic » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:19 pm

The stumble into "off the beaten path" aside. I'm confused as to what the asserted cause of this crisis in communication is. Specifically what is the "intrinsic flaw" man is supposed to have in his nature that causes this "coincident" "ugliness", and how is the internet a part of this cause?



Also "contemporary history" compared to when? Has their ever been more people who can read and write in history?
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby Michael Goodspeed » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:53 am

Plasmatic wrote: "I'm confused as to what the asserted cause of this crisis in communication is. Specifically what is the 'intrinsic' flaw man is supposed to have in his nature that causes this 'coincident' 'ugliness', and how is the internet a part of this cause?"

1) I'm not sure I understand the question, or rather, I don't know why you're asking it. I've never met a human being who wasn't flawed, and whose flaws didn't occasionally manifest in his or her communications. It's as simple as that. Maybe you choose not to view these flaws as "intrinsic"; many others do. And I never said that the Internet has directly caused anything; but I do believe that the predominance of electronic communications has only increased the atomization of our culture -- I don't see an abundance of meaningful human connections happening in cyberspace. I see people becoming more isolated and lonely in our culture, and many studies confirm this. From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14126192/

"In June, an authoritative study in the American Sociological Review found that the average American had only two close friends in whom they would confide on important matters, down from an average of three in 1985. The number of people who said they had no such confidant soared from 10 percent in 1985 to nearly 25 percent in 2004; an additional 19 percent said they had only one confidant — often their spouse."


Plasmatic wrote: "Also 'contemporary history' compared to when? Has their [sic] ever been more people who can read and write in history?"

In virtually every popular treatment I've ever seen, 'contemporary history' refers to recent events generally occurring after WWII (someone else who responded to this article in another forum tried to make an issue out of the same point -- is it really that hard to just Google the words "contemporary history"? Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_history). You ask, "Has their [sic] ever been more people who can read and write in history?" My response is, if you are talking about the sheer percentage of human beings on the planet who have acquired the minimal literacy skills required to function in the world, probably not. Of course, many third world nations whose populaces had previously been deprived of even minimal educational resources have experienced vast improvements in both living conditions and educational opportunities. But certainly in the U.S., I cannot imagine anyone disputing that overall, we are far below where we were 40 or 50 years ago. (Just one mind-numbing study illustrating this: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/30/education/30sat.html)

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Fewer Than Half of American Adults Now Read Literature

July 8, 2004

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New York, N.Y. - Literary reading is in dramatic decline with fewer than half of American adults now reading literature, according to a National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) survey released today. Reading at Risk: A Survey of Literary Reading in America reports drops in all groups studied, with the steepest rate of decline - 28 percent - occurring in the youngest age groups.

The study also documents an overall decline of 10 percentage points in literary readers from 1982 to 2002, representing a loss of 20 million potential readers. The rate of decline is increasing and, according to the survey, has nearly tripled in the last decade. The findings were announced today by NEA Chairman Dana Gioia during a news conference at the New York Public Library.


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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby StefanR » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:16 am

Ignorance in all it's facets has very interesting effects on human conduct.
Also literacy has a double value, as it not only pertains to being able to read the words of a message, but it also being able to understand the message being transmitted.

Cries about morality have been present all along human history. Also I could think of it as morality being the magnetic field of the current of good conductance. Morality might give a good measure and indication of good conductance, but morality is not good conductance itself and morality is usually standing perpendicular to good conductance. And to measure good conductance one has to stop it's flow and think about it. (just playing around here, but it does make it electromagnetic ;) )

And as to speak with Solar aside from being a Wild-West out there, it is also a jungle at night.
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby Solar » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:11 pm

"Our laws of force tend to be applied in the Newtonian sense in that for every action there is an equal reaction, and yet, in the real world, where many-body gravitational effects or electrodynamic actions prevail, we do not have every action paired with an equal reaction." — Harold Aspden
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby Plasmatic » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:22 pm

"Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification"......" I am therefore Ill think"
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby runaro » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:18 am

"Look at the state our "culture" is in. The annual test scores, the graduation rates. The crime rates, the addiction rates, the teen pregnancy rates, the obesity and heart attack rates, the depression and suicide rates. And beyond these mind-numbing statistics, look out your window at the street, all those waddling, frowning chunky folks with their Ipods and cellphones."

Why would you expect it any other way when virtually every culture in the world teaches its people not to hold themselves in high esteem, and that their own lasting happiness is of no importance whatever?

Highly recommended in this regard:
The Virtue of Selfishness, by Ayn Rand

I also recommend:
The Demon-Haunted World, by Carl Sagan
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby Osmosis » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:50 pm

The gold guy is baaack! :x
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

Unread postby SleestackVII » Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:38 am

With the inception of "internet 2" will come the "death" of the free internet as we know it. The plans are set to allow the hubs, routers, and switches to fall into disrepair and as this happens "internet 1" will become slower and slower. The idea is to "force" thru attrition the end of the "Free" internet (reffering to the freedom of content not pricing.) The new routers, hubs, servers and switches will all be housed in major universities and corporations. You will then be allowed a subdomain on these servers (or not allowed) thus ending any real free speech or content on the internet. I fear the great ideas like EU will be eliminated from internet 2 altogether. (unless EU is accepted as a mainstream theory in the next few years).
All is not lost tho. Many are getting ready for this day and are dusting off thier old 56k modems to set up the likes of the bulliten boards of old. Since this is all established software and tech it shouldn't be much trouble. I am afraid that means back to 56k speeds for all us Thunderbolts Forum Fanatics! I hope the events I have described don't come to fruition but sadly it seems the powers that be don't want us to fully be free on or off the internet. :cry:
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Re: The Internet & the Death of Communications - Pt. 1

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