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Most Thorough Model

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

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Re: Most Thorough Model

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Re: Most Thorough Model

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:47 pm

EE Elsewhere
Aardwolf, you need to take your discussion to the Expanding Earth thread, or whatever it's called, because you ignore much of the evidence stated here against EE. This thread is for discussing CC's model.
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Re: Most Thorough Model

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Re: Most Thorough Model

Unread postby Lloyd » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:29 pm

Tidal Locking
Charles, here's a paraphrase from Wikipedia.
Charon and Pluto revolve about each other every 6.4 days. The two objects are both gravitationally/tidally locked so each keeps the same face towards the other. []. The average distance between Charon and Pluto is 19,570 kilometres (12,160 mi). Pluto's diameter is 2,368 km. Charon's diameter is 1,207 km.

Do you have an explanation for tidal locking? I don't find the word "lock" in your Tides paper.
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Re: Most Thorough Model

Unread postby Lloyd » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:46 pm

Mars Borealis Basin
We were discussing the Lightning Scarred Planet Mars recently here at . Today I read Mike Fischer's ideas about the largest basins on the Moon and Mars at . He references a number of papers that discuss formation of the Mars northern basin, Borealis, suggesting a large glancing impact was the cause. Charles, I think you're the only one who considers many impacts to involve thermonuclear explosion. If that's true, would your model then require much modification of those analyses? For example, a quote there from one of the referenced papers says: ""Simulation results show that "depending on impact angle, 50-70% of the melt stays inside the excavated boundary, 25-30% is deposited outside the boundary, and the remainder is ejected from the planet."3"" Do you think the CFDLs may tend to minimize how much material would leave the planet?

This article "A Vast Oceanus Borealis May have Once Covered 1/3 of Mars" at apparently shows an image of the Borealis basin as if it were covered with an ocean here: . The significance of the image for this discussion is the shape, i.e. elliptical, but with a side branch, like the letter "Y". It looks like the peninsula region between the two arms is the volcanic shield that holds 4 large volcanoes on a highland. Imagining a grazing impact causing the Y shape, I suppose the impacter would have carved out the leg of the Y first, and finished with the arms, but the area between the arms would have been somewhat removed too, but may have partly fallen back down and/or vulcanism may have produced flood basalt with the volcanoes poking through it at the end of the event. Any thoughts about that and whether the asteroids and comets could have come from that impact? Fischer implies that he thinks Phobos and Deimos came from it. The latter article with the ocean image has some speculation that many of the large boulders, probably including the "Face on Mars", came from underwater landslides like what have occurred in Earth's oceans.

By the way, the second biggest crater on Mars, seen in the lower part of this image in dark blue, or purple, at looks to me like an object impacted at a steep angle, so that it buried itself deep inside Mars and left a deep basin, deeper than Borealis. Does that seem plausible? And would that have contributed to flood basalt and vulcanism in the shield area?
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Re: Most Thorough Model

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Re: Most Thorough Model

Unread postby Lloyd » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:02 am

Impacts Fallout?
Charles, are there enough questions for you yet? In case not, here's another. In the "Nuclear bombs on mars" thread, the referenced article about possible former civilization on Mars says products of nuclear explosions are found on Mars: Xenon-129 in the atmosphere and uranium and thorium on the surface. Since you consider most craters to have formed by thermonuclear explosion, do you think those products could have formed from impacts?
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Re: Most Thorough Model

Unread postby Lloyd » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:09 am

Crater Formation

Charles explained that fast moving meteors or larger objects that impact a body will produce thermonuclear explosions like an H-bomb, which involves mostly electrical and some magnetic forces. Above he agreed that such explosions likely account for Xenon-129, uranium and thorium found on Mars. Formation of craters by electric thermonuclear explosions seems much more probable than by electric discharge machining, as Charles explained in several places, like:
1. ,
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3. and especially .
4. Well, maybe his paper on his site is more thorough at .
He had other discussions of craters too, possibly with further elaboration.

(Evidence for Martian life/civilization

Nuclear Explosions on Mars)
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Re: Most Thorough Model

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Re: Most Thorough Model

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