Orthogonal wrote:I'm not going to get into human consciousness, there is just way too much speculation and we don't have enough data to really scratch the surface here.
Aristarchus wrote:It does appear that one could argue that there is a development of consciousness acting upon Homo sapien sapiens to manifest within an environment that has been cultivated to nurture this kind of social evolution. I could explain this further, but I really need to know where you're taking your argument.
In my view the kind of social evolution that takes place on the human scale does offer a unique role for the latter in the Animal Kingdom.
JaJa wrote:The fact that human beings 'think' they have rule over the world because they control the food chain, technology and other species on the planet they have placed themselves "top of the metaphorical evolutionary tree" by default. This is not a subjective assertion - it is an objective fact. Do I think humans deserve to be in this position - no.
Orthogonal wrote:Maybe we can agree to describe it this way.
Objective Fact: Humans are the most dominant species on the planet.
Subjective Assertion: Humans are the most evolutionarily advanced species.
Seasmith wrote:Elaborate for me what you are thinking when you declare that "light" is the organizing factor behind DNA. Let me phrase the question thus: What is it about light that asserts, provokes, or otherwise dictates the specific ordering of DNA? Or perhaps like this: What is informational about light action upon DNA [in the natural sense, not the laboratory laser sense
webolife wrote:That quote was from me, not seasmith. I'd be happy to receive a pm from you JaJa.
webolife wrote:JaJa,
Elaborate for me what you are thinking when you declare that "light" is the organizing factor behind DNA. Let me phrase the question thus: What is it about light that asserts, provokes, or otherwise dictates the specific ordering of DNA? Or perhaps like this: What is informational about light action upon DNA [in the natural sense, not the laboratory laser sense]?
Orthogonal wrote:I reread through the thread now that I had a bit of time and I think we're on the same page now. Typically, when speaking of evolutionary theory it is explained in terms of mutation
Orthogonal wrote:What you seem to be referring to is the ability for sociological, psychological or behavioral traits to influence and drive this process.
Orthogonal wrote:However, even though human consciousness and social development is incredibly advanced, this same process happens among other species, but on a much more primitive level. The behavior and social networks of other species is what drives things like pecking orders, sexual dimorphism, bizarre mating rituals and numerous others that drive their evolutionary change.
JaJa wrote:Do you agree the brain is a Node that receives and decodes information. Do you agree that Information comes from Light or that stuff which we apparently sense via the eyes and other senses. Would you agree there is supposed to be visble stuff and invisible stuff but we can only know the invisible stuff because there is so-called visible stuff.
In 1995 in the Russian Academy Of Sciences quantum biologist Vladimir Popnin and Peter Gariaev were experimenting and obtained results that suggested that human DNA directly affected the physical world through a field of energy that connect them. It is called “Phantom effect”. The scientists took am empty tube, got the air out so it will be a vacuum. They looked at the photons (particles of light) and saw that the photons were scattered in the tube without any order. Then they put DNA into the tube and they saw that the photons arranged themselves in an order. The implication here is that DNA; the substance we are composed of was observed and found to have a direct effect on the quantum particles that our world is made of! When the scientists removed the DNA they expected the photons to go back to being out of order, but instead they remained in order. The scientists were forced to ask if the DNA left behind a residual force that stayed after the physical DNA was removed? Were the DNA and photons connected in some way or on some level? The scientist concluded that some new force structure was being excited. This experiment showed us that as old traditions and spiritual texts say, we have a direct effect on the world around us
Solar cycles and their relationship to human disease and adaptability
George E. Davis Jr., Walter E. Lowell
Received 3 March 2006; accepted 6 March 2006. published online 24 May 2006.
Summary
In this paper, we show that 11-year solar cycle peaks predispose humans to disease, but also endow creativity and adaptability. We give several examples of diseases that are modulated by light and present evidence for an effect of intensity and variation in sunlight, primarily ultraviolet radiation (UVR), on the human genome. The birth dates of nearly 237,000 unique clients in the Maine Medicaid database collected from 1995 to 2004, inclusive, were related to solar cycle irradiance for the past seventy-one years, encompassing seven solar cycles. The sample was divided into four general categories of disease: mental/behavioral illnesses; metabolic diseases; autoimmune diseases; neoplasms. The birth months for those clients born in any given year were arranged in the form of a winter/summer ratio in order to more clearly appreciate the seasonality inherent in each disease category. Solar cycles were separated into chaotic (∼three times as irradiant) or non-chaotic according to the Gutenberg–Richter power law and the uncertainty inherent in predicting solar storms. The results show that radiation peaks in solar cycles and particularly in chaotic solar cycles (CSCs) are associated with a higher incidence of mental disorders, suggesting the sensitivity of ectodermal embryonic tissues to UVR. Autoimmune diseases have intermediate sensitivity, while the neoplasms in the study, primarily of endoderm, appear suppressed by peak UVR intensity. The ratio of the number of clients born in CSC cycles to non-CSC cycles was highest for the more genetic mental diseases, like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, but as that ratio decreased, the clients with diseases like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis showed more environmental features manifested as a greater winter/summer birth month ratio that was significantly different than that of the average client in the whole data set. The paper presents evidence that latitude, e.g., variation in light, is an added stress to the immune system (especially at 53–54°N. latitude) that is involved in nearly all human disease. We hypothesize that introns, the presumptive engenderers of gene control, modulate the effects of UVR, particularly for the neoplasms studied. We conclude that intermittent and largely unpredictable peak solar cycle radiation has been the fundamental engine of evolution, forcing organisms to adapt to mutagenic UVR and producing enough damage to instigate genetic variation. Probably a chance genetic mutation over 80,000 years ago produced a human brain capable of abstract thought and consciousness. The slight genetic instability that favored an adaptable, creative brain also produced other somatic variations that present phenotypically as disease, but largely expressed after natural selection (reproduction) and associated with the inexorable entropy of aging
Researchers Crack the Mystery of the Missing Sunspots
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/sc ... otlesssun/
“When sunspots begin to decay, surface currents sweep up their magnetic remains and pull them down inside the star; 300,000 km below the surface, the sun’s magnetic dynamo amplifies the decaying magnetic fields. Re-animated sunspots become buoyant and bob up to the surface like a cork in water—voila! A new solar cycle is born.”
Aristarchus wrote:There's actually more empirical evidence for horizontal gene transfer (HGT) than there is for mutation. I believe also that JaJa had already referred to the aspect of evolution taking place on a very rapid place within some population of specices.
Aristarchus wrote:What I was specifically referring to was that the FOXP2 gene existed for hundreds of thousands of years prior to the advent of Homo spaien sapiens. Once activated in Homo sapien sapiens, it created an expedited growth of social evolution for the former. Apparently, the gene existed prior to anything that relates to mutation. It was activated, not mutated.
Aristarchus wrote:Humankind can achieve much more that pecking orders, sexual dimorphism, and bizarre mating rituals. In fact, sexual desire in humankind acts upon the species beyond mere procreation.
JaJa wrote:Sure. When you can explain to me how you are separating domination from most advanced. It might help if you gave an example of a species that was more evolutionary advanced that humans (both biologically and pyschologically) and an explanation of why this species hasn't achieved domination over humans and the rest of the animal kingdom.
JaJa wrote:I am also looking for an explanation (from previous posts) about how a mechanism knows anything - what would be the underlying feature/quality of a mechanism that allows it to be selective.
webolife wrote:You both seem to be making relevant, valid, and potentially mutually inclusive points about the Neanderthals, so I'm not sure what you are arguing about.
Orthogonal wrote:I already linked to a study on Bacterial E. Coli and its evolution of a gene that enables it to digest Citrate. Something that E. Coli is known NOT to be able to consume. The study shows how evidence of the gene was first found thousands of generations before it became active and dominant in the population. Genome sequencing has begun on samples from before, during and after adaptation. This will be worth following up on when complete.
The role of historical contingency in evolution has been much debated, but rarely tested. Twelve initially identical populations of Escherichia coli were founded in 1988 to investigate this issue. They have since evolved in a glucose-limited medium that also contains citrate, which E. coli cannot use as a carbon source under oxic conditions. No population evolved the capacity to exploit citrate for >30,000 generations, although each population tested billions of mutations. A citrate-using (Cit+) variant finally evolved in one population by 31,500 generations, causing an increase in population size and diversity. The long-delayed and unique evolution of this function might indicate the involvement of some extremely rare mutation. Alternately, it may involve an ordinary mutation, but one whose physical occurrence or phenotypic expression is contingent on prior mutations in that population. We tested these hypotheses in experiments that “replayed” evolution from different points in that population's history. We observed no Cit+ mutants among 8.4 × 1012 ancestral cells, nor among 9 × 1012 cells from 60 clones sampled in the first 15,000 generations. However, we observed a significantly greater tendency for later clones to evolve Cit+, indicating that some potentiating mutation arose by 20,000 generations. This potentiating change increased the mutation rate to Cit+ but did not cause generalized hypermutability. Thus, the evolution of this phenotype was contingent on the particular history of that population. More generally, we suggest that historical contingency is especially important when it facilitates the evolution of key innovations that are not easily evolved by gradual, cumulative selection.
Orthogonal wrote:I don't know the exact source of the FOXP2 gene, but it did evolve over time through mutations many generations before it was activated. Whether that occured in Homo Sapiens or some other hominid and then transferred later, I don't know.
Orthogonal wrote:It is just on a more primitive level among other species.
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