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Re: Evolution

Unread postby Plasmatic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:35 pm

"Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification"......" I am therefore Ill think"
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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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Re: Evolution

Unread postby Plasmatic » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:54 pm

"Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification"......" I am therefore Ill think"
Ayn Rand
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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Re: Evolution

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:49 am

"It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong."
"Doubt is not an agreeable condition, but certainty is an absurd one."
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire
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Re: Evolution

Unread postby webolife » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:34 am

Plasmatic,

Science's limitation to the material natural realm is what makes it inadequate to explain the root and first causes... this is why you (philosopher and atheist) and lots of other scientists refuse to consider first causes and design, and instead claim that these are irrelevant to "science". Perhaps they are the most relevant questions!

Thank you for your acknowledgement of the natural selection issue. It is and always has been illogical to equate the kind of variation seen within [all] populations to the kind of variation seen between the many phyla, classes, and families of organisms. Of course this equating is absolutely essential to the promotion of evolution as a paradigm. as an extreme analogy it's rather like taking a particular jigsaw puzzle and putting all its pieces in a box, then splitting them into groups, and occasionally throwing a random piece or two into the mix, then continuing to do so until a brand new jigsaw puzzle is formed. Recombination of the same information cannot create new kinds, only variations, some perhaps very unusual, within an original genome. This is micro-evolution, what Darwin observed, and what put an end to the misconception of "fixity of species".

Macro-evolution depends on mutations continually entering into the mix and being selected for the viability of the organism. This would be reasonable if the mutations were usually beneficial [or neutral] but what is observed is a preponderance of negative, deleterious, or lethal mutations -- the macro-evolutionist is forced by his/her belief in the evolution paradigm to ignore, downplay, deny, and lie about this in order to bolster the assertion that micro-evolution can result in macro-evolution.
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Re: Evolution

Unread postby webolife » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:44 am

As we continue our discussion of material and immaterial off forum, I hope to show you why it is possible for a scientific paradigm to include reference to the immaterial realm. The materialist scientist must make excuses or create imaginary entities or processes to fill the void of evidence for a theory like evolution or the bb, whereas the inclusion of nonmaterial causes for design fills the same void of evidence. It is a belief system which drives either choice. To claim that a theist is touting a "god of the gaps" is just a smokescreen for the materialist's own "imaginary entities of the gaps".
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Re: Evolution

Unread postby Plasmatic » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:19 pm

"Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification"......" I am therefore Ill think"
Ayn Rand
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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Re: Evolution

Unread postby Spektralscavenger » Tue May 13, 2014 11:05 am

For alternative views on these matters:

http://davidpratt.info/evod1.htm

http://davidpratt.info/evod2.htm#e1

http://davidpratt.info/evod3.htm

I can tell you he´s lying in at least one thing:
symbiogenesis does have been confirmed in the lab and it takes only some hours, so imagine the possibilities given millions of years.
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Re: Evolution

Unread postby Sparky » Tue May 13, 2014 2:06 pm

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Re: Evolution

Unread postby King David » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:50 pm

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