It appears that you are unable or unwilling to answer my post of Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:03 pm yet you have managed to find the time to post more unsubstaniated speculation and wishful-thinking (Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:07 pm).
I, too, am interested in how life must have been in the Golden Age particularly as it intuitively feels as if that was how life should be; it certainly feels more natural than the way of life now in most cultures/countries.
Would you care to dilate on this? Just how was life in the 'Golden Age'? Can you define exactly what constitutes 'natural'?
Again, referring to 'cycles', if the environment were temperate all year round and there was no definite night or day and/or seasons, it stands to reason that 'cycles' wouldn't be of major importance to those people.
How does it 'stand to reason that 'cycles' wouldn't be of major importance'? Assuming, for the sake of the arguement, that your Golden Age existed, would it not be possible that the humans of that period could still detect variations in the day, the year, etc.? The lifeforms on Earth would, presumably, still be born, grow, decline and die. Or consider, let us say, a modern species of butterfly which lives for only a single day. Do you think that this butterfly does not or cannot detect subtle variations during the (to us) brief span of its life? Humans do not create or invent cycles; cycles are part and parcel of the way the Universe works.
There is no doubt in my mind that husbandry and agriculture, literature, the arts, culture and even language did not naturally 'evolve' but that we had some advanced help from another Race after the cataclysm.
Pity this help didn't come before the cataclysm isn't it? Perhaps your doubt-less mind could shed some light upon this?
Your quote from Blavatsky seems apropos of nothing relevant to this thread. Furthermore, the quote mentions'Rounds' which word, to me at least, is suggestive of cycles, the existance of which you continually deny yet equally continue to mention.
Blavatsky et al were SO close to the universal truth. Because electricity was relatively new, she knew God or the 'Ether' was electric or magnetic (fluid) but didn't quite get it right (just as well as her intents weren't entirely pure).
Big of you to say so, old boy. Would you care to share the 'universal truth' with us mere mortals on this forum? Knowledge of electricity, in its modern guise, had been around for a hundred years or more. See:
for a brief and simple synopsis. Frankly, I would have thought that one versed in the universal truth would have known this already.
It's fair to say most scientists, inventors, literary and spiritual people were Theosophists during the turn of the Century. Combined, these very powerful people at the top of most Western pyramids created an occult environment which was both informative AND dangerous. They combined ether science beliefs with magik, mysticism and many Eastern philosophies...it was a lethal mix which went on to have DRAMATIC effects on all global societies, and even today, is highly influencial in many fields.
That first sentence is nonsense. Can you in any way, shape or form back up this claim? And I do not mean by naming a few Britons and Americans; I would expect to see French, Belgian, German, Italian, Swedish etc., etc.
The second sentence is yet another baseless assertion on your part. What 'occult environment'? Why or how was it both 'informative and dangerous'?
The third and final sentence is yet another one of your melodramatic statements which do not stand up to a moment's scrutiny. The subjects 'science', 'magic' (or 'magick'), 'mysticism' and 'philosophy' (Eastern or otherwise) are not mutually exclusive in any way. Nor are they in any way intrinsically bad, evil or nefarious, whether studied singularly or in combination. I myself study all of these and several other subjects but have not as yet been invited to become a member of some cabal with ambitions of world-domination and do not feel the least bit inclined to start my own.
I suspect I am asking in vain, but would it be at all possible to furnish any evidence of why it was a lethal mix; how it went on to have DRAMATIC effects; and how and where exactly this influence is still to be found today?
I have not yet had time to read the article by Goodrick-Clarke from which you quote. However, the last sentence: "Then, with a quick reference to modern science, she recalls that all cerebration and brain-activity are accompanied by electrical phenomena, thus suggesting that human intelligence correlates to electricity..." appears incorrect in regard to Blavatsky's views. One thing Blavatsky was not was a materialist; she would not have taken electrical
activity in the brain as correlating to human intelligence. Intelligence comes from the mind which transmits it to the brain (the receiver). Your man is closer to the mark in defining what the Theosophists understand Fohat to be.
Fohat is a Tibetan term for the energic or motion aspect of the Supreme Spirit. It is usually considered in its metaphysical aspect, which is rather difficult to understand; therefore, side by side with the metaphysical, the ethical and practical-application aspect should also be understood.
Fohat–The Great Transformer [Reprinted from THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT, March 1964.] at:
Fohat: Theosophy Occultism Mysticism Dictionary on Fohat
By G. de Purucker, compiled by Geoffrey Barborka
An extremely mystical term used in the occultism of Tibet for what in Sanskrit is called daiviprakriti, which means "divine nature" or "primordial nature," and which also can be called "primordial light." In one sense of the word fohat may be considered as almost identical
with the old mystical Greek eros, but fohat as a technical term contains within itself a far wider range of ideas than does the Greek term.
Fohat may be considered as the essence of kosmic electricity, provided, however, that in this definition we endow the term electricity with the attribute of consciousness; or, to put it more accurately, provided that we understand that the essence of electricity is indeed consciousness. It is ever-present and active from the primordial beginnings of a manvantara to its last end, nor does it then actually pass out of existence, but becomes quiescent or latent as it were, sleeping or dormant during the kosmic pralaya. In one sense of the word it may be called kosmic will, for the analogy with the conscious will in human beings is exceedingly close. It is the incessantly active, ever-moving, impelling or urging force in
nature, from the beginning of the evolution of a universe or of a solar system to its end.
H. P. Blavatsky, quoting one of the ancient mystically occult works, says in substance: "Fohat is the steed and thought is the rider." If, however, we liken fohat to what the conscious will is in the human being, we must then think only of the lower or substantial parts - the pranic activities - of the human will, for behind the substantial parts stands always the directing and guiding consciousness. Fohat being incessantly active is therefore both formative and destructive, because it is through the ceaseless working of fohat that unending change continues - the passing of one phase of manifested existence to another phase, whether this manifested existence be a solar system or a planetary chain or a globe or human being or, indeed, any entity.
Fohat is as active among the electrons of an atom and among the atoms themselves as it is among the suns. In one sense it may be called the vital force of the universe, corresponding from this viewpoint to the pranic activity on all the seven planes of the human constitution.
Liken that kind of philosophy to those extolled in ALL Secret
Societies: members become 'keepers of the secrets', they're elitist, they hold the lost, hidden keys to universal truths, they hold science in high esteem, they practice esotericism, occultism, luciferianism, satanism, paganism and even Catholocism (!), but there WAS AND IS STILL an ingredient missing!
Back to more of your own sensationalist nonsense. Firstly, one wonders just how secret these Secret Societies are when you appear to know so much about them. Secondly not all members of such societies become 'keepers of the secrets. Although I have some sympathy for your view that they are elitist, ultimately I must disagree, if only because you lump together so many different types of groups or societies. I will come back elitism shortly.
Can you enlighten us as to why esotericism and occultism are to be frowned upon? Or paganism? Or even Satanism, Luciferianism and Catholicism?
You appear uncertain as to whether these 'keys to universal truths' are lost or hidden. I would argue that they are neither lost nor hidden as each individual carries them inside his- or herself (the kingdom of God is within for example). Where the elitism comes into play is that each individual has to discover the keys for theirself. This, in essence, is what a Seeker is. The seeking requires dedication and application over many years. The vast majority of people are not prepared to put in the work and prefer to be told what to do and think (Casting pearls before swine). You yourself provide a good example of this in that you give the impression that you are waiting for some benign extra-terrestrials to come and save us.
Asklepios: Are, then, not all men similarly conscient,
Hermes: All, Asklepios, have not the true intelligence.
They are deceived when they suffer themselves to be
drawn after the image of things, without seeking for
the true reason of them. It is thus that evil is
produced in man; and that the first of all creatures
lowers himself almost to the level of brutes.
"Then only will you see it, when you cannot speak of it; for the knowledge of it is deep silence and suppression of all the senses."
Hermes Trimegistus (Lib. x.6)
“When you go into the space of nothingness, everything becomes known.”
"Beware the barrenness of a busy life". - Socrates.
“Truth is within us; it takes no rise
from outward things, whate’er you may believe.
There is an inmost center in us all,
Where truth abides in fullness; and around,
Wall upon wall, the gross flesh hems it in,
This perfect clear perception – which is truth.
A baffling and perverting carnal mesh
Binds it, and makes all error – and to know,
Rather consists in opening out a way
Whence the imprisoned splendor may escape,
Than in effecting entry for a light
Supposed to be without.”
From “Paracelsus” by Robert Browning.
"In titling this work The Second Coming of Christ, I am not referring to a literal return of Jesus to earth....A thousand Christs sent to earth would not redeem its people unless they themselves become Christlike by purifying and expanding their individual consciousness to receive therein the second coming of the Christ Consciousness, as was manifested in Jesus....Contact with this Consciousness, experienced in the ever new joy of meditation, will be the real second coming of Christ — and it will take place right in the devotee's own
"Know Thyself" - Entrance to the Oracle of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi.