Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

What is a human being? What is life? Can science give us reliable answers to such questions? The electricity of life. The meaning of human consciousness. Are we alone? Are the traditional contests between science and religion still relevant? Does the word "spirit" still hold meaning today?

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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby lizzie » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:52 am

What evidence do we have to indicate that the ancients were different from us? What do the myths say?

ANCIENT AND MODERN SCIENCE
http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theos ... ology.html

Alternative History - Genetic Engineering in Ancient Times
http://www.esolibris.com/articles/alter ... eering.php

The Mystery of Ancient Man
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... ncient.asp

What Race Were the Ancient Egyptians
http://www.catchpenny.org/race.html

Alien Skulls – Abnormal Skulls
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/skulls.html

Giants
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giants.html

The Tribe of Dann and the Lost Tribe of Israel
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/dann.html

From these records, as well as the Sumerian, we know there was an era the Egyptians called Zep Tepi, "The First Times". During this time a mysterious group of 'gods' appeared , bringing with them their sciences, traditions and laws. We can find evidence of this time and these gods throughout the world...From Thoth and Osiris in Egypt to Quetzacoatl and Virococha in the Americas.

Evidence now show us that prior to the deluges great and high tech civilizations existed. One of the key scientists on the Giza project, Dr. Jim Hurtakthe, said this was a culture who cracked the genetic code and possessed the keys of the physical spectrum, the "Higher Light Physics" of the ancients... After the departure of the Anunnaki, much of the information was lost. What wasn't has been secretly and selfishly guarded by the 'keepers of knowledge' which is of course the shepherd kings of the Anunnaki.



Red Headed Giants
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedrace.html

Redheads in Our Ancient Past
http://2164th.blogspot.com/2007/10/redh ... -past.html

"We found a variant of MC1R in Neanderthals which is not present in modern humans, but which causes an effect on the hair similar to that seen in modern redheads," said lead author Carles Lalueza-Fox, assistant professor in genetics at the University of Barcelona.

They appear in the fossil record about 400,000 years ago and, at their peak, these squat physically powerful hunters dominated a wide range spanning Britain and Iberia in the west, Israel in the south and Siberia in the east.


Giants and Ancient History
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/index2.html

Irish Origins of Civilization
http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.c ... start.html

The Footprints of Dragons
http://www.rae.org/dragons.html

The Lost Powers of The Ancients
http://www.think-aboutit.com/pdf/LOSTPO~1.pdf
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby lizzie » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:48 pm

Early in this thread Polarity Paradox presented relevant information on both Wilhelm Reich and Rudolph Steiner regarding "the human condition".

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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby bboyer » Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:58 am

Just a suggestion, but rather than posts or pages full of links I would like to see the emphasis on discussion with only the least number of links posted to support a post's discussion. This being a discussion forum and all vs a harvesting of only informational links. ;) Don't get me wrong, links are great; but we all have access to "The Google" and "The Internets" (Bush's understanding of how these words are used). I doubt most readers have the time or inclination to check dozens of links when they're presented in the absence of relevant discussion about their content. So, personally, I'd like to see the focus more on the presentation of personal viewpoints and opinions which are then supported by relevant links that the poster has studied or at least read through; or vice versa, where an interesting link or two or three have been ran across and they are posted along with relevant discussion from the poster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RiHHs1HYzE "The Google"
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Numerous posts (about the last 4 pages) have been split off from this topic to form a new topic in the NIAMI forum, here: Various Force and Energy Speculations.

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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby lizzie » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:59 am

The idea for this post began here:

http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/v ... t=45#p9004

Is the “history of the world” after the end of the Golden Age about the history of the suppression of the knowledge about Radiant Energy – the Negative Attractive Female Force?

Orgone Biophysical Research Lab
http://www.orgonelab.org/wrhistory.htm

Orgone energy in the atmosphere was a physical phenomenon similar to the older ideas of "vital force" and "aether" combined. It behaves lawfully, fills all space, expands and contracts in pulsatory rhythm, and interacts differently with different material substances: every kind of matter appears to attract the orgone, but at different rates of speed.

What at first appeared to be only "bioelectricity" was later clarified by Reich as a much more powerful bioenergetic force -- a form of life-energy at work within living organisms, expressing itself as emotion and sexuality, but also directly observable in the microscope as a bluish-glowing field around living blood cells and other substances.

This bluish-glowing energy, which he eventually called orgone energy, was later observed as a blue-glowing aura-like phenomenon around organisms, trees and even mountain ranges. The blue orgone also exists in a free form within the atmosphere -- Reich wrote about an "envelope" of blue-glowing energy surrounding the Earth long before the first satellite photos confirmed it.

Orgone was also demonstrated in high vacuum (as with "zero-point" vacuum fluctuation, etc.) proving it filled all space much as a cosmic aether.


Wilhelm Reich, Ether, God and Devil – Cosmic Superimposition – page107

When natural sexual expressions were repressed in the human animal during the development of patriarchy, this produced a severe, unbridgeable contradiction between sexuality as a sin and religion as a liberation from sin. In primitive religion, religion and sexuality were ONE: orgonotic plasma excitation. In patriarchy, orgonity becomes “sin” on the one hand and “God” on the other. The functionalist understands the identity of emotions in sexuality and religion, the origin of the estrangement and the dichotomy it created, the fear of sexuality among religious people and the pornographic degeneracy among the excommunicates. The mechanist and the mystic are a product of this contradiction, remain trapped in it, and perpetuate it. The functionalist breaks through the barriers of this rigid contradiction by finding the common features in emotion, origin, and nature.


What is it about this Vital Force that has so terrified humans that they felt the need to suppress its presence throughout most of its history?

During the Golden Age, people lived in harmony with each other and with Nature. All creatures communed with each other by sharing this cosmic energy. Everything was in perfect balance; there were no known polarities. Eden represented the childhood of humanity; people lived in “innocence” because the Earth provided for all their needs.

The “great cataclysm” drastically changed the earth’s environment. Balance and harmony were replaced by chaos. It became a “split world” – a world of polarities. In Eden there were two trees: the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. If humans ate the fruit of the former, they forfeited their immortality. However, now people had to compete for limited resources. They had to learn how to use their minds to develop strategies to survive. Knowledge was the “key” Why should the acquisition of knowledge be punishable by death if that is what humans had to do to survive?

Why suppress the knowledge of this “Vital Force”, the primary nurturing and sustaining cosmic energy of the Golden Age?

In the “divided world” people create polarities. However, polarities create “artificial dualities.”

http://altreligion.about.com/library/bl ... rmetic.htm

The Principle Polarity: Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.


Yet the most basic split in human society since the Golden Age is that between the male and female. Why is that? Did something happen to humanity at the end of the Golden Age that made humans feel there was a need to organize society along this particular polarity?

Did it have something to do with Orgone Energy? In the distant past did humans define this energy as the “female force?”

John Keeley defines “radiant energy” as the negative attractive female force.

Dynamical Full Gamut of Mind and Matter
http://www.svpvril.com/Cosmology/cosunity1.html

Terrestrial – Female – Mother – Matter
Condensing Ether (+) (Positive Attractive – Female)
Polarity (++)
Radiant Energy (-) (Negative Attractive – Female)

Celestial – Male – Father – Mind
Chaos (-) (Negative Attractive – Male)
Void (Vacuum) (+) (Positive Attractive – Male)

Neutrality (Inertia) Depolar State: (0-; 0+)

It seems that orgone energy is the same as radiant energy and Vril energy.

Orgone Energy
http://www.orgonomicscience.org/orgoneenergy.html

Vril Energy
http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwo ... power.html

Tesla’s Radiant Energy
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/tesla_energy.htm

Keeley, Tesla and Edison
http://logos_endless_summer.tripod.com/id206.html

Worship of the Goddess in Hinduism
http://www.infinityfoundation.com/manda ... ameset.htm

The fundamental meaning behind all of these images is the recognition in Hinduism of divine energy as a feminine force, Shakti, which literally means "power." This power takes a wide variety of forms, including nature, creation, life force, movement, mind, and strength, as well as the power to dominate or destroy


On Hindu Gods and Goddesses
http://temples.newkerala.com/Temples-of ... esses.html

The cosmic activity of the Supreme Being has three important tasks -- creation, preservation and the dissolution and the recreation. These tasks are associated with three popular gods, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva each representing the same power of the Supreme Being but in three different aspects.

The only one ultimate reality of the Supreme Being is the Brahman which is a Supreme Spirit permeating everything in the universe. Every Hindu god represents one aspect of Brahman. Brahma is the creative aspect of Brahman. Vishnu is the protective aspect of Brahman and Shiva is the destructive aspect of Brahman.


Kali - Mistress of Life and Death
http://www.wombrose.co.uk/kali.html

Kali symbolizes the cosmic power of creation. She represents all three dimensions of life - 'creating', 'preserving' and 'destroying' in sequence.

In Hindu philosophy the world is manifested and maintained through the dance of Shakti (the feminine principle) while the masculine principle remains passive - initiating but not creating. Although neither aspect can be seen as separate or superior, the power given to the vengeful goddesses of the Indian tradition makes for the most dramatic female iconography in the world often combining bloodthirsty acts with both grace and glamour.

Kali has the same ambivalent aspects as the ancient goddesses of the European pre-Christian tradition and she probably predates the Aryan invasion of India with her dark colouring and blood sacrifice rituals.

Kali as the beginning and end of Time

As a symbol of the ultimate power of nature to both give life and take it away, Kali's position in the pattern of the rose window marks both the end and the beginning of the cycle. She relates to the 'dark moon' phase of the lunar cycle. This period between the death of the old moon and the rebirth of the new was always seen as both the most creative and the most dangerous time of the month.


Again, what is this negative attractive force? Could it be the scalar longitudinal wave?

What is a Scalar Wave
http://cellphonesafety.wordpress.com/20 ... alar-wave/

Scalar Waves
http://www.catandogs.net/en/AdditionalInfo/ScalarWaves/

Transverse and Longitudinal Waves
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ralon.html

What is it about this type of energy that can be both restorative and destructive?

Scalar Warfare
http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm

Healing Powers of Longitudinal Waves
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scala ... rwar03.htm

Could the ancients have engaged in scalar warfare and destroyed their civilizations even prior to any global conflagration? Scalar weapons cause earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and tsunamis. Did scalar warfare play a part in causing the downfall of the Golden Age?

Vimanas
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm

Ancient Indian Spacecraft and Aircraft Technology
http://www.rense.com/general61/vaman.htm

The misuse by humans of this negative attractive female force could have resulted in the destruction of ancient civilizations. We face the same problem today with nuclear weapons which represent the positive "explosive" radiating male force.

Humans would have seen the need to totally suppress this energy force. Hence we see the development of both patriarchy and monotheism where human society is built exclusively upon honoring the male principle.

According to Dale Pond Western science is based on the “male principle.” Only now are we beginning to understand the negative attractive female force. Mind over matter is the male principle; mind in matter is the female principle. Are John Keeley, Wilhelm Reich, Nikola Tesla, Tom Bearden and Ed Leedskalnin all describing the same energy force?.

Dale Pond Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2513982191

Sympathetic Vibratory Physics
http://www.svpvril.com/

The SVP Universal Cosmology
http://www.svpvril.com/Cosmology/cosunity4.html

Are these examples of the negative attractive female force at work?

Is it Ed Leedskalnin’s magnetism – two currents that move forward with a right hand twist -- the bidirectional double helix wave pattern

Is it Tom Bearden’s time reverse waves – the bidirectional longitudinal wave pairs.

Is it Nikola Tesla’s “energy density” waves

Is it Wilhelm Reich’s orgone energy?

Is Kundalini also an expression of this "vital force"?

Kundalini
http://fusionanomaly.net/kundalini.html

Kundalini has been called the lifeforce -- the vital, animating current within all creation. The energy of Kundalini has been used everywhere in the world for healing and accessing spiritual experience.

Traditionally, the Hindus regard Kundalini as the divine mother, the earth goddess indwelling in all form and phenomena. The Sanskrit word kundalin, according to mythologist Joseph Campbell, means "that which is coiled or spiral in nature." Charles Breaux says that this "refers to the spiral patterns of energy found throughout the natural world, from the internal DNA molecule to the shape of galaxies."
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby Divinity » Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:11 pm

lizzie wrote:Orgone Biophysical Research Lab
http://www.orgonelab.org/wrhistory.htm

Orgone energy in the atmosphere was a physical phenomenon similar to the older ideas of "vital force" and "aether" combined. It behaves lawfully, fills all space, expands and contracts in pulsatory rhythm, and interacts differently with different material substances: every kind of matter appears to attract the orgone, but at different rates of speed.

What at first appeared to be only "bioelectricity" was later clarified by Reich as a much more powerful bioenergetic force -- a form of life-energy at work within living organisms, expressing itself as emotion and sexuality, but also directly observable in the microscope as a bluish-glowing field around living blood cells and other substances.

This bluish-glowing energy, which he eventually called orgone energy, was later observed as a blue-glowing aura-like phenomenon around organisms, trees and even mountain ranges. The blue orgone also exists in a free form within the atmosphere -- Reich wrote about an "envelope" of blue-glowing energy surrounding the Earth long before the first satellite photos confirmed it.

Orgone was also demonstrated in high vacuum (as with "zero-point" vacuum fluctuation, etc.) proving it filled all space much as a cosmic aether.


Wilhelm Reich, Ether, God and Devil – Cosmic Superimposition – page107

When natural sexual expressions were repressed in the human animal during the development of patriarchy, this produced a severe, unbridgeable contradiction between sexuality as a sin and religion as a liberation from sin. In primitive religion, religion and sexuality were ONE: orgonotic plasma excitation. In patriarchy, orgonity becomes “sin” on the one hand and “God” on the other. The functionalist understands the identity of emotions in sexuality and religion, the origin of the estrangement and the dichotomy it created, the fear of sexuality among religious people and the pornographic degeneracy among the excommunicates. The mechanist and the mystic are a product of this contradiction, remain trapped in it, and perpetuate it. The functionalist breaks through the barriers of this rigid contradiction by finding the common features in emotion, origin, and nature.


What is it about this Vital Force that has so terrified humans that they felt the need to suppress its presence throughout most of its history?

During the Golden Age, people lived in harmony with each other and with Nature. All creatures communed with each other by sharing this cosmic energy. Everything was in perfect balance; there were no known polarities. Eden represented the childhood of humanity; people lived in “innocence” because the Earth provided for all their needs.

The “great cataclysm” drastically changed the earth’s environment. Balance and harmony were replaced by chaos. It became a “split world” – a world of polarities. In Eden there were two trees: the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. If humans ate the fruit of the former, they forfeited their immortality. However, now people had to compete for limited resources. They had to learn how to use their minds to develop strategies to survive. Knowledge was the “key” Why should the acquisition of knowledge be punishable by death if that is what humans had to do to survive?

Why suppress the knowledge of this “Vital Force”, the primary nurturing and sustaining cosmic energy of the Golden Age?


Strikingly accurate, Lizzie, in my opinion. Everything split - right down to the two halves of the brain (cessation of bicamerality); perhaps the gender split took place too, for all we know? Seems we dived into duality in every sense possible. As there is order in the Universe and a purpose for everything, I'm presuming this was the original plan - to thrust mankind into a whole new environment where He could play quite differently to the way he was before. Survival became more important than universal harmony.

Your point about kundalini is vital, I believe (pun intended, haha). It is a powerful force - I see it as THE life force, the underlying current which drives the need to procreate. Strange how, despite the energy source being the same (electro-magnetism), it can manifest in a number of different energetic forms - but then, plasma does the same thing.

Also strange how it has taken us so long to release the 'hidden knowledge', which could only be unleashed because the Powers That Be wanted it to happen (probably because they realise they only have pieces of the puzzle and they are witnessing natural phenomenon which they still cannot understand, despite their belief they have all the keys).

Many top dogs or fat cats are still turning to religion now. Again, strange, except when you realise they're very frightened of something, LOL! Could that something be generic truth of our living Universe?
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby lizzie » Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:12 pm

Gamma Ray Bursts, Gravity Waves, and Earthquakes
http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/GRB.html

Astronomers have theorized that gamma ray bursts might travel in association with gravity wave bursts. In the course of their flight through space, gamma rays would be deflected by gravitational fields and would be scattered by dust and cosmic ray particles they encountered, so they would be expected to travel slightly slower than their associated gravity wave burst which would pass through space unimpeded.


Gamma ray bursts = positive attractive male force (electromagnetic?)
Gravity wave bursts = negative attractive female force (electrogravitic?)
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby soulsurvivor » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:28 am

Just a quirk I have, but why would you assume that all of humanity dies? or has died? Could it be that a select few knew/know how to escape physical death? How much power would that afford them and could a group of "immortal" humans be what the visible PTB are terrified of?
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:53 am

soulsurvivor wrote:Just a quirk I have, but why would you assume that all of humanity dies? or has died? Could it be that a select few knew/know how to escape physical death? How much power would that afford them and could a group of "immortal" humans be what the visible PTB are terrified of?

Alchemists spring to mind here. I would guess that the power to stop the body ageing/getting ill is a mental process (mind over matter). It is about knowing the Laws of the Universe and working with them. They can still be killed. The power of such adepts lies in their knowledge of Nature's Laws, not in being immortal/deathless per se. Such adepts (from what I've read) tend to take this path if they have a role or mission, not because they can.
We are all immortal in any case, so why bother hanging around here in the constraints of a physical form?
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby Divinity » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:25 am

Grey Cloud wrote:
soulsurvivor wrote:Just a quirk I have, but why would you assume that all of humanity dies? or has died? Could it be that a select few knew/know how to escape physical death? How much power would that afford them and could a group of "immortal" humans be what the visible PTB are terrified of?


Alchemists spring to mind here. I would guess that the power to stop the body ageing/getting ill is a mental process (mind over matter). It is about knowing the Laws of the Universe and working with them. They can still be killed. The power of such adepts lies in their knowledge of Nature's Laws, not in being immortal/deathless per se. Such adepts (from what I've read) tend to take this path if they have a role or mission, not because they can.
We are all immortal in any case, so why bother hanging around here in the constraints of a physical form?


Spot-on, Grey Cloud! It's why understanding nature, natural law (and of course the Universe itself) is vital if we are all to become shaman/alchemists. And yes, as natural law dictates, there would have to be a purpose - as you say, a role or mission.

Your last sentence is important. It's all very well being immortal but if we suffer amnesia after death or when we enter into a new body, our consciousness goes back to being limited again. As we are evolving, I would hope this starts to change very soon. I'm guessing that once we understand the true nature of ether (as opposed to beliefs about heaven, hell and anywhere imbetween which are false), true 'heaven' can be attained after death because one would be 100% aware of where they were going, who they were and why. And then, whatever form one chose to experience next, one would retain enough memory for total free will in making that choice. In other words, we become spiritually free again.

In the Golden Age, there were tales of people living for hundreds of years and then 'falling asleep'. So it seems to me that being immortal is our natural state but we could probably stay in these bodies for much much longer than we do now and that the only purpose is 'dropping body' would be to gain a new experience as something else. Prior to this time, amnesia served us but speaking personally, I hate the idea of being reborn 'stupid' again, LOL!

Dan Winter's view on death is a healthy one, IMO. If we die gladly, and in bliss, we should, ideally, retain our full memories, consciousness and capabilities.

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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:11 am

Divinity wrote:
It's all very well being immortal but if we suffer amnesia after death or when we enter into a new body, our consciousness goes back to being limited again.

We have to forget when we reincarnate or otherwise it wouldn't work. We would see through the illusion (maya). It's like when you go to the movies, you have to suspend your belief or the film doesn't work (you see a film instead of entering into the world of the film). This is one of the things your brain does. It acts like a limiter or governor on, say, a truck engine to stop it going over 50mph. Filter would be another analogy.
When you 'die' you get back to full consciousness. In the Orphic Mystery you are told not to drink from the waters of Lethe (forgetfulness) but to hang on until you get to the waters of Mnemosyne (memory). Initiation into the higher mysteries was essentially a guided near-death experience where the Hierophant went 'out there' with the initiate (to make sure they got back). Shamans do essentially the same thing.

There is more to the 'Golden Age' than everyone being touchy-feely and eating nuts and berries.
The Vymaanika-Shaastra, G.R. Josyer trans
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/vs/vs12.htm
In the Krita Yuga, Dharma or Righteousness was four-footed, that is, it was four-square, fully established, all paramount, and it was adhered to implicitly by men. The men were inherently noble-born and were possessed of remarkable powers. Without needing to go through yogic discipline to attain special powers, or practise mantras which secured extraordinary results, the men of that yuga, merely by their devotion to dharma, became Siddhapurushaas or gifted with superhuman powers. They were virtuous men and men of learning and wisdom. Going in the sky with the speed of wind by their own volition was natural to them. The eight super-sensory, and now superhuman, attainments, known as animaa, mahimaa, garimaa, laghimaa, praaptih, praakaamya, eeshatwa, and vashitwa, were all possessed by them. That is, animaa is assumption of infinitesimal shape; mahimaa is growing into gigantic shape; garimaa is becoming astonishingly heavy; laghimaa is becoming weightless; praaptih is securing any desired thing; praakaamyam is becoming rid of desires; eeshatwa is attaining paramountcy; and vashitwa is becoming extremely pliant.

My understanding of this time is that we were not in physical bodies. We were also androgyne. This is why mythology has stories of the first man and or woman being created. Obvious example is Genesis where Eve is created after Adam (I know there are two versions in there) and the pair of them don 'animal skins' before leaving the garden. Pandora (all gifts) is another good example. The ills in her box/jar are nothing to do with her or women. They are symbolic of the fact that we now have two (at this point Pythagoras would spit on the floor) which means division, polarity, opposite etc, etc.

No idea who Dan Winter is but he sounds modern so I'll give him a miss. From your comment he seems to be a variation of Meister Eckhardt's view. ME said that if you do not want to die and try to hang on to life, you see those that come to help you (at death) as demons because they are trying to take you where you don't want to go. If you are ready for death then you see them as angels. See the old Tim Robbins film Jacob's Ladder.

Incidentally the Vymaanika-Shaastra mentioned above, is where vymanas are discussed. They come in the yuga following Krita (or Satya) which is Treta. We can't fly naturally so we build machines. This implies that you now have a body to sit in said machine.
(Vedic literature is wonderful, but there's just too damned much of it for these mortal eyes to read. I'm coming back as a spider - all those eyes).
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby lizzie » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:34 pm

Soulsurvivor said: Just a quirk I have, but why would you assume that all of humanity dies? or has died? Could it be that a select few knew/know how to escape physical death? How much power would that afford them and could a group of "immortal" humans beings be what the visible PTB are terrified of?


How odd you should ask that question.

The Nazis called this “female energy” the Vril. They made a secret expedition to Tibet in 1938-39 in search of this Vril technology.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=931&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=45#p8914

However, I think I overlooked their biggest secret – they were also seeking the “keys to immortality” and the hidden city of Khembalung (Shambala)

In Vajrayna Buddhism, there is a school called The Diamond Body. A master can transform his physical body into a Diamond Body, an immortal light body. Legend claims that Guru Padmasambhava succeeded in doing this.

Vajrayāna Buddhism
http://www.religioustolerance.org/budvaj.htm

THE DIAMOND BODY: A SOLID STATE MANDALA
http://zero-point.tripod.com/diamondbody/dbodytoc.html

One of the alchemical goals is to create an eternal body for post-mortal continuation of the spirit and the soul. Both the western and Chinese alchemists felt this could be accomplished in a lifetime, with the help of God, or the Self. This vessel for immortality is the Diamond Body.


The Story of Padmasambhava
http://www.muktinath.org/buddhism/padmasambhava1.htm
http://www.muktinath.org/buddhism/padmasambhava2.htm

How to Make a Diamond
http://bainite.wordpress.com/2006/09/29 ... a-diamond/

The Mysteries of the Great Cross of Hendaye – Alchemy and the End of Time – by Jay Weidner and Vincent Bridges

Perhaps the alignments, such as depicted on Hendaye, occur before the arrival of the superwave and its destructive effects, as a kind of warning, the signs and portents. Revelation promises in the sky. It could also be a window of opportunity for profound change, perhaps, even the moment of ascension or the mass attainment of the Diamond Body, an immortal light body described in Tibetan Buddhism. Pg. 398

Alberto Villoldo, in his studies with the Quechua shamans of Peru, came to the conclusion that the current “Pachacuti,” the time when everything is turned upside down and reality is restructured, is also the point where a new humanity, a Homo luminous, begins to emerge. Villodo’s Homo luminous sounds much like the Tibetan concept of the Diamond Imperishable Body. Could this be an expression of the Sapa Inca, Atum-Re, or Universal Man? Page 406

However, long before the Kasthamandap was built, Nepal was a place of sacred pilgrimage. The caves in the south rim of the valley had an ancient history of use by traveling saints and yogis as meditation sites, going back, according to legend, to the time before the lake was drained. Indra himself was thought to have spent a few aeons contemplating the blue light from a cave high on the south wall of the valley. At some point after the lotus disappeared, a demon, one of the asuras, occupied the cave. He was still in residence, according to the local tradition, until the arrival of Guru Padmasambhava, who converted him to Buddhism and then occupied his cave for the attainment of his Diamond Imperishable Body. Page 410

Whatever the date was when Padmasambhava settled in the Asura Cave, there can be little doubt that something spectacular occurred there as a result of his practices. On the floor of the cave can still be seen the melted-rock handprint that was left as a symbol of the attainment of the Diamond Body. Page 411

Guru Padmasambhava called upon the gods of the five directions, the Dhyani Buddhas, to hide the valley from the world and to provide for it all the needs of life. He declared that the hidden valley, Khembalung, would be a refuge for a time in the future when the barbarians of “Hor” would invade the central Asian plateau. He also predicted the names, in Tibetan, of its discoverers and the times in which its existence would be revealed and hid as a terma a guidebook to its location. Page 413
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Re: Quantavolution,Solaria Binaria,Homo Schizoid,Bicameral Mind

Unread postby soulsurvivor » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:55 pm

This entire electrical hypothesis/theory is going to eventually prove exactly what I'm saying here. Humanity is immortal in every sense of the definition. We have simply forgotten. All we need surrounds us. It is entirely up to each to find the balance. So, why are the skies so heavily sprayed day and night, worldwide? What would you do to stop a cyclic Golden Age if you were a controller? Why would you as a controller seek to keep earth and everything on its surface as a negative?

So much of what we have to refer to in ancient records is based in religious dogma. Why? Because it's not anything to do with religion, god, belief, on and on. It's our human ability to interact with an electrical plasma. Period.

And I'll have to bow out of the discussion. I don't have the knowledge base to discuss any of this. I only have personal experience that isn't well received in forums of scientific review.
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