What produces consciousness?

What is a human being? What is life? Can science give us reliable answers to such questions? The electricity of life. The meaning of human consciousness. Are we alone? Are the traditional contests between science and religion still relevant? Does the word "spirit" still hold meaning today?

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:12 pm

Maddogkull1 wrote:
junglelord wrote: I find the proper definitions of dimensions lies in the work of Dave Thomson of the Aether Physics Model.
Mass is a dimension, as is length, frequency, charge. Consciouness is a field, not a dimension.


So you are saying consciouness is a field that exists everywhere in the universe? Im sort of confused what you mean by "field" though? Can you care to explain how consciouness is a field? Seems more logical that it is just produced in the brain :?:


I will quote two chapters of Wilbert Smiths new science book.
The concept of 12 is very important when trying to understand why we have reality and not just a universe.
Buckyfuller and Smith agree on that item, which intrigues me.

The concept of a field fabrics is intimitely tied to our own reality and is why we have reality awareness in the first place. So Fields and their definition and their relationships to awareness need to be redefined to understand consciouness in this construct which I learned from creating a synthesis of the Holographic Universe>Mind, The Fractal Universe, The Collect Behaviour Universe, The Tempic Universe, The writings of Seth. I would term the electron a conscious unit.

Chapter IV
The Field Fabric

In establishing the Space Fabric the basic Concept of Reality was operated upon successively by the Quadrature Concept, giving the concepts of Length, Area and Volume. Further operations with the Quadrature Concept will yield more relationships which, when established may be recognized as parameters of the Universe in which Awareness finds itself.

Since the relationships established to constitute the Field Fabric do not impinge upon our awareness as directly as does Space except in their composite forms, some sort of language is needed to facilitate Understanding. To those having a mathematical background this presents no particular problem since the relationships are merely those of established Vector Algebra. To those not having such a background, understanding must be obtained through appreciation of the meanings of the actual words used. In any case, if the basic principles already set forth have been adequately understood, there should not be too great difficulty. A visualization of what is going on, extending upwards from Nothing-At-All, as the Quadrature Concept is applied successively to Reality and its derivatives, is really what is called for.

The application of the Quadrature Concept to the Third Parameter yields a further parameter which we might describe as Density or gradient, and is really an expression of how Reality is distributed in Space. Vectorially it is the scalar view by awareness of the Volumetric parameter of Reality. It is the scale against which any change in Reality must be gauged. The Fourth Parameter is therefore essentially Change, the true Fourth Dimension. There are many interesting implications which will be studied later in more detail.

If the Quadrature Concept is applied again, another partially familiar vectorial quantity results, namely Divergence, or the stable condition in which Awareness finds Reality. This is the Fifth Parameter, which also presents some interesting implications which will studied later.

The Sixth Parameter is developed by still another application of the Quadrature Concept to Reality, which gives the vectorial quantity Curl, or Deviation or Reality, which is essentially the dynamic aspect of Reality as perceived by Awareness.

At this point it is fairly obvious that our Universe is poly-dimensional in the truest sense of the word, even though the dimensions are not quite what we fancied they ought to be. They are more correctly parameters and are aspects of Reality established by Awareness through the mechanism of the Quadrature Concept. Again, we cannot say whether or not Reality could exist without Awareness, but we believe that they are actually separate manifestations of the same thing, and one is incomplete without the other. In any case, so long as we are aware of our Universe it must be through the Parameters which are inherent in it. And there are six more of them making twelve Parameters in all, after which the system closes on itself. These Twelve Parameters are the necessary and sufficient conditions for the existence of the Universe as we are aware of it.

Although there is a smooth relationship following in the development of the various parameters we find that they fall naturally into four fabrics of three parameters each. Just as each parameter has its unique characteristic so each fabric has its own unique characteristics, which include those of the individual parameters and the interrelationships between them.

It should be noted that in the development of the three parameters in the field fabric the Quadrature Concept was applied in each case to the previously established parameter, and in its broader sense. This should not be confused with the mathematical manipulation of multiplying the previously established parameter by the square root of minus one, as this is an operation which will subsequently be employed and is similar to parallel processes which go on in the space fabric. While this distinction is fairly obvious in the space fabric it may not be so obvious in the field fabric.

Let us next look at those aspects of the Universe which impinge upon our awareness and which may possibly be identified with the parameters of the field fabric. The Fourth Parameter, Change, reaches our awareness through our concept of Time, although we have here mistaken the shadow for the substance and vice versa.

A field is a region which has a unique characteristic. The space fabric, in displaying the characteristic of Change, has a unique characteristic, so that this characteristic which so appears can qualify as a field. But the filed must be "somewhere" and the space fabric fills this need, just as Area is necessary for the evolution of the concept of Volume.

Suppose we call this field of Change a Tempic Field to give it a name of its own, so that we can study its relationship to those things which impinge upon our awareness. Inspection of the Concept shows that if the Change is great the tempic field must be great, but we associate Change with our Concept of Time which is something against which we gauge a rate of change. Expressed mathematically this rate can be written as dS/dt which expresses the manner in which something changes with respect to time. More explicitly this should be written as TS where T is the tempic field operator, and S is the aspect of Reality upon which it operates. A convenient, though only partially adequate description of the Tempic Field is "Frequency", since we recognize frequency as being a certain number of somethings per unit of time, and is dimensionally the reciprocal of Time.

Heretofore we have always considered Time as an immutable flow against which everything evolving Change could be measured, whereas, it is really the converse which is true; Change is the basic concept and Time its derivative. Unfortunately, our mathematics are geared to the Time concept and will require considerable reworking to fit them into this more precise concept, but when this is done there will result a most elegant simplification in all the analysis involving time. In the meantime the transition in thinking can be made less painful if we merely regard Time as the consequence of the existence of a Tempic Field, and is by no means fixed.

It may be interesting at this point to mention something about the velocity of light. This quantity is generally recognized to be something rather basic in our universe, being the "rate at which space changes with time", but when viewed in the light of this new field concept is merely the tempic field intensity, or how the tempic field is distributed in space. We have been told that light doesn't "travel"; it "is", which is an idea not at all foreign to the field concept. Of course, it follows that the velocity of light will be a constant only under conditions of constant tempic field, and if this field changes so will the velocity of light change.

Having had a superficial look at the Tempic Field and its derivation we may now allow our Awareness to inspect the next parameter which is Divergence to see if it is something which can be recognized. Previously we noted that Reality had to extend to infinity from zero in order to establish Space and that unity, so far as Awareness was concerned, lay half way between. With the application of the Quadrature Concept to the parameter of Change or Tempic Field, Divergence is established, from which we derive a starting point a t zero and a finish at infinity. Between these two limits and through unity there is divergence, which we can recognize as the Electric Field, but with the exception that there is no point charge at the zero. Our Awareness, however, established the "charge" at radius unity, with exactly one half of it being "inside" and the other half being "outside". The real significance of this boundary will be apparent when we study the tenth parameter.

When Divergence was established by Awareness, the Quadrature Concept was applied to the Tempic Field, so we may expect within the electric field two quantities, scalar and vector, or quantity and its manner of distribution. These attributes we recognize immediately as pertaining to the electric fields with which we have experience.

While the Tempic field is purely scalar, the application of the Quadrature Concept gave it an aspect which is vectorial in establishing the Electric Field, in that it now has "direction" as well as "quantity". In dealing with this parameter both these aspects should always be included. Otherwise the analysis is bound to be incomplete. In other words, mere vectorial summation is not sufficient and the scalar values must be integrated also. Also, we must get away from the idea that they are the manifestation of the fifth parameter from zero to infinity and in themselves are the reality.

When Awareness inspects Divergence through the Quadrature Concept and establishes Curl. Similar appreciation results, and we see in Curl many of the characteristics of the Magnetic Field, but again we have a boundary within which is half the reality and outside of which is the other half. We call that within (or without) this boundary the magnetic moment, but again we cannot establish a point source. Also, dealing with magnetic fields we must always include the scalar as well as the vectorial aspects.

Just as Area has Length incorporated in it, and Volume has Area incorporated in it, so has the Electric Field the Tempic Field incorporated in it. Each of these three fields are mutually at right angles to each other. The three fields together are the manifestation of Reality in the Field Fabric as perceived by Awareness. The interrelationships between these various fields manifests to our Awareness as Matter and Energy, and the great variety of these manifestations is well known to us.

http://www.rexresearch.com/smith1/newsci.htm#1.2rectil

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:14 pm

Chapter V

The Control Fabric
The complete understanding of the Control Fabric is not easy, chiefly because by their very nature, our mathematics cannot be applied to it directly, and any analysis must be indirect. However, it is hoped that with some understanding of the Fabric suitable mathematics will be evolved with which to deal with it. In any case it should be realized the Understanding comes with increasing Awareness and if the basic concepts are understood, the rest will follow.

Awareness, inspecting Reality, notices that the Tempic Field is to some extent everywhere, and except for any arbitrarily prescribed reference point is largely homogenous. The Electric Field, however, does have a reference point of its own but other than this it spreads out everywhere. The magnetic Field, in addition to having both the foregoing characteristics, has another one, namely orientation.

If the Quadrature Concept is applied to the Magnetic Field it will be found that its orientation can be anything, or in other words, it is Random. The probability of finding it in any particular orientation is exactly the same as for any other orientation, and while the Field itself has a unique characteristic, its display is strictly random. While this is a rather over-simplified derivation of the Seventh Parameter, it may be sufficient to guide thinking in the direction of its appreciation, and as has been said previously, this appreciation is purely personal.

In all previous applications of the Quadrature Concept by Awareness, the matter of choice did not arise as how the Concept was applied did not make any difference. However, with the application of the Quadrature Concept to the magnetic Field, this is no longer the case, and a condition of asymmetry has been introduced which makes it necessary to decide how the Concept shall be applied. In fact, the application of the Concept is in itself a definition of the Eighth parameter, which is that of Decision, or Free Will.

The Ninth parameter, however, again establishes symmetry, and leads to a concept of Sequence, or Order, or Specific Arrangement.

Up to the Eighth Parameter, Awareness was largely in the position of Observer, and was unable to make any difference in the scheme of things in the Understanding of what happened when the Quadrature Concept was successively applied to the Basic Concept. Concept was successively applied the basic Concept. However, with the Eighth Parameter, Awareness became part of the Scheme in that a difference could result. It is at this level that Free Will is exercised, even though we may have many ideas to the contrary, and it is through this characteristic that we are able to control at least a part of this universe. Increased understanding will of course make possible extension of control, to the extent that our Awareness actually does Understand.

There is a price tag on this control through Free Will, however, in that the next application of the Quadrature Concept establishes a pattern which persists right around the cycle, and sequences are established which are directly consequential of the application of the Eighth Parameter.

In our relationship with the Universe we see all sorts of applications of the Control Fabric, from Random, through Free Will and into Sequence, as well as all sorts of combinations of them. Again, as was the case in the lower fabrics, each Parameter includes the lower Parameters as well as extending the Concept to include a new one. Therefore, it follows that all higher Parameters than the Eighth will be subject to modification by Awareness, with proper Understanding. The modification will be the consequence of the operation on the asymmetry of the Field Fabric, and its consequences will be felt right up to the Twelfth Parameter.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:37 pm

What is a field you ask?

VOLTS
There is a relationship between amperes and watts. They are not totally separate. To understand this, we need to add "voltage" to the mix. You've probably heard that voltage is like electrical pressure. What's usually not taught is that voltage is a major part of static electricity, so whenever we deal with voltage, we're dealing with static electricity. If I grab electrons away from a wire, that wire will have excess protons left behind. If I place those electrons into another wire, then my two wires have oppositely-imbalanced charge. They have a voltage between them too, and a static-electric field extends across the space between them. THIS FIELD *IS* THE VOLTAGE. Electrostatic fields are measured in terms of volts per distance, and if you have an electric field, you always have a voltage field. To create voltage, take charges out of one object and stick them in another. You always do this when you scuff your shoes across the carpet in the wintertime. Batteries and generators do this all the time too. It's part of their "pumping" action. Voltage is an electrostatic concept, and a battery is a "static electric" device.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenJay » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:38 pm

Maddogkull1 wrote:Yes those children would be conscious. But were does that consciousness go when they die?

Consciousness doesn't "go" anywhere. The manifestations of consciousness are what come and go and do this and that.
Maddogkull1 wrote: If it is a field, they would still be consciouss, but from what I have studied, it seems like it is all produced from electro-chemical activity in the brain.

The brain is no more the source of consciousness, than your computer's hard drive is the source of the data that it C-O-M-P-U-T-E-S. Try reading something not published with big pharma's seal of approval for a refreshing change of perspective. ;)
Maddogkull1 wrote: Once [the brain] goes at death, there is no you. There is nothing? Am I not right?

Nope. In my experience, you're dead wrong, kiddo.

When your automobile, or "vehicle," dies - and I mean totally craps out beyond repair - you just get out and continue on without it. . . perhaps even get another one.

Am I not right? :? 8-)
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenJay » Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:53 pm

Maddogkull1 wrote:[...] when you are unconscious, you are not aware, you technically don’t exist (until you wake up again) the brain has to produce consciousness.

Wow. After 20 years of seeing my sound asleep, "unconscious" wife lying next to me in bed, I could have sworn she still "existed!" Silly me, eh? :roll:

Your perceptions of consciousness and awareness seem to be rooted in simple mechanics, which of course, refer to the "machine" - rather than that which drives it.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:17 pm

Wilbert Smith does a DMT trip...
we have mistakenly drawn a heavy veil between our spiritual world and our physical world, and there are even many to whom the spiritual world is something vague to be mentioned only on Sunday. I understand from the people from elsewhere that such is not generally the case with them. For many of them there is no real veil between the physical and the spiritual, and communication and participation between the two is quite the normal thing.

I have learned a great deal, but I am as a small child attempting to assimilate a college course. Believe me, I have been shown glimpses of a philosophy and technology almost beyond comprehension. Nor am I alone as there are quite a few people who have gained the confidence of these beings and are being instructed.

I have witnessed telekinesis in several forms, and have done a little scientific speculation as to its modus operandi. This force is not at all “supernatural” and is most probably due to a mental manipulation of the sequence-probability-intention vectors, though I am not at all clear on some of the intervening steps.

The boys topside make extensive use of significant events for all sorts of purposes including communications. I am also told that they navigate their ships by what we would call astrology. They also make use of a type of energy which we do not understand, "Tensor energy, or Beam" which is space-time independent, for all their menial tasks and communications. I am informed that ours is by no means the first civilization which has existed on this planet. There have been many others, and even some of the souls at present incarnated here participated in these previous experiments. There exists in very inconspicuous places in several museums, artifacts which represent a culture at least as high as ours, and which existed during the coal age!

I am pleased to note that you are looking into the reincarnation aspect as a means of getting a better perspective of the Divine Plan. Sometimes the data turned up is a bit of a shock, when one realizes one’s own past!

In collaboration with one of our group, a psychologist and hypnotist, I tried some regression experiments trying to get back into some previous lifetime where gravity control was understood. But I slipped right out of space, time, and reality as we know it! It was a most interesting experience and I wish I could remember all of it. However, I did send back messages which, when analyzed proved most enlightening. They definitely confirmed what we had been told by the people from elsewhere was the real structure of the Universe. It is an idea by the Creator, and when viewed from the outside does not have even the substance of a shadow! When I returned to this reality it was way back in what seemed to be spoken Sanscrit, at least that is what the experts say it is, and from thence to the present. I don’t remember directly.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Maddogkull1 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:32 pm

Ahh, but you are right about getting out of your car, but you are comparing apples and oranges. I am talking about a biological vessel. Not a car. Why is it so hard to believe that when you die, you just don’t exist? How can you be conscious when you have no brain, and onto of that NO electrical/chemical activity at all. There is no way you can be conscious without some kind of activity. Thanks JL for the info, I am still trying to wrap my head around what you wrote.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Maddogkull1 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:37 pm

StevenJay wrote:
Maddogkull1 wrote:[...] when you are unconscious, you are not aware, you technically don’t exist (until you wake up again) the brain has to produce consciousness.

Wow. After 20 years of seeing my sound asleep, "unconscious" wife lying next to me in bed, I could have sworn she still "existed!" Silly me, eh? :roll:

Your perceptions of consciousness and awareness seem to be rooted in simple mechanics, which of course, refer to the "machine" - rather than that which drives it.


I am not even talking about your wife or being unconscious. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU DO NOT EXIST. Understand? :lol:

You have no conscious or awareness when you’re dead. Why, because you have no signals going through your brain. Nothing . It is not a mechanical view it is common sense. Would you say someone without a head is still alive? No because that is just stupid.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby bboyer » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:43 pm

I used to consider it likely that there was a continuity or survival of the personality (ego or "I") after death that more or less re-incarnated, transmigrated, or whatever to new bodies after the death of the present body. Like discarding an old, worn out garment for a new, fresh one. Without a concomitant continuity of personal memory, however, this area will always be one of pure speculation, hope, belief, wishful thinking, what-have-you. Many people make claim to this sort of memory in various sects and whatnot, the recovery of past lives and so forth, but based on the evidence, it can only remain an area for subjective belief or experience.

Currently, I tend to think that the temporal personalized experience we refer to as "I" does not survive death of the physical body except for, perhaps, as the Tibetan Buddhists say, for a short period (49 days according to their rather exhaustive explorations and experiences) - after all, the body does not die immediately and all at once. Activity does go on for some period of time after the brain and heart cease functioning albeit at an ever decreasing rate; hair and fingernail growth, for instance. I think it likely that there is probably a relatively short corresponding continuity of "I" consciousness, and this is the experience along the mental plane that is probably what the Tibetans are describing in detail in their Bardo Todol or Book of the Dead. But I do think this "I" eventually dissolves back into the ... "All" ... from which it originated until such "time" that it again coalesces and manifests into a new focal consciousness that then becomes the new "I" experience of the new physical body into which it becomes "focalized" or centered as a new-born. From my viewpoint, any bounded, living manifestation (living, at least as we can know it) at whatever SCALE experiences the same sensation, centered "I" feeling, be it microbe or mankind. Mankind seems to have evolved - physically and otherwise - to where it can simply express it in more complicated ways, such as via symbols.

I think this dissolving, disintegrating process of body and the "I" mind includes the eventual dissipation of all memory and experiences of the dying personality's lifetime, much like the dying wake of a moving vessel in the water.

I don't know. The continuation or survival of an "I" ego type experience used to be very important to me, intellectually; in other words, I had a difficult time accepting that it just may be that there is no continuum of experience for an otherwise temporal "I" sensation. "I" plainly did not WANT the death of "my" mind, "my" memories, "my" experiences, and sundry other things I think most of us enjoy clinging to; the myriad things that identify us as who and what we are. But now it's pretty much okay with me, intellectually; not that it really matters one way or the other since it is as it is no matter what, or how, one chooses to believe while currently living this temporal existing as mankind. My true, ineffable awareness is not that of a temporal, experiencing physically-bounded identity ... but THAT cannot possibly be defined by symbols, such as this writing or speaking business.

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A myriad bubbles were floating on the surface of a stream.
"What are you?" I cried to them as they drifted by.
"I am a bubble, of course," nearly a myriad bubbles answered,
and there was surprise and indignation in their voices as they passed.

But, here and there, a lonely bubble answered,
"We are this stream,"
and there was neither surprise nor indignation in their voices,
but just a quiet certitude.

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Riposte » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:40 pm

Maddogkull1 wrote:WHEN YOU DIE, YOU DO NOT EXIST.


And you do not exist when you are alive.

Again, all of this can be seen through meditation and dedicated spiritual practice. You don't have to take my word for it, see it for yourself! YOU are not the body. YOU are not even a YOU.

You are not going to think your way there. The mind must become silent.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby moses » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:27 am

I used to consider it likely that there was a continuity or survival of the personality (ego or "I") after death that more or less re-incarnated, transmigrated, or whatever to new bodies after the death of the present body. Like discarding an old, worn out garment for a new, fresh one. Without a concomitant continuity of personal memory, however, this area will always be one of pure speculation, hope, belief, wishful thinking, what-have-you. Many people make claim to this sort of memory in various sects and whatnot, the recovery of past lives and so forth, but based on the evidence, it can only remain an area for subjective belief or experience.
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The "I" was built up as a little child as we learnt language. It is mainly knowing what we can and cannot do. This was not part of the reincarnating entity (RE). So a reincarnating entity gathers understanding, so it can then produce action in the body. Does this action come through consciousness. Does the RE attach itself at conception, along with consciousness, and so they both use the same attachment to the brain. The "I" will surely fade away after death, but the real life behing the "I" which is consciousness was there before birth and only needs to become unattached to the brain to move on.

And to reach what is the depth of consciousness, is to remember right back to conception. This is the latest psychotherapy, but it is a long process. At conception the consciousness about to attach to the brain is experienced. It is a very dramatic change for this consciousness. Suddenly to be bound up in a body. It is a trauma and a blockage occurs so that the new consciousness is cut off from the old state of consciousness before attachment to the brain. By reliving this traumatic experience of consciousness at conception the blockage is cleared and a change in consciousness occurs which has been called enlightenment. The reliving is the evidence.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby GaryN » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:11 am

Soul Survivor - Reincarnated World War II pilot?

Certainly seems genuine, and is not the first claim of this type, but perhaps the most detailed examination of such.

There are other reviews of this case, but here is an ABC TV video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72oCyrbgN_I
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenJay » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:53 pm

Maddogkull1 wrote:
StevenJay wrote:
Maddogkull1 wrote:Your perceptions of consciousness and awareness seem to be rooted in simple mechanics, which of course, refer to the "machine" - rather than that which drives it.


I am not even talking about your wife or being unconscious. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU DO NOT EXIST. Understand? :lol:

You have no conscious or awareness when you’re dead. Why, because you have no signals going through your brain. Nothing . It is not a mechanical view it is common sense. Would you say someone without a head is still alive? No because that is just stupid.

Here's a news flash for ya - a body can be kept artificially animated - "alive," if you will - long after the brain has ceased to function.

Since analogous comparisons appear to be completely lost on you, and since you seem to be absolutely certain that your perceptions of what constitutes "life," "consciousness," "awareness" and "death" are accurate and immutable, then there's really no point in continuing with this. :|

"Consciousness" is a topic that simply cannot be broached intelligently with the left brain alone.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby jacmac » Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:06 pm

Hi Maddogkull1 and every one else,

I would like to welcome Maddogkull1 as a contributor of his(her) beliefs and not just one who asks questions.

I think Arc-us has it about right with one exception.
I do not believe the "I" originated in the "All".
I believe the "I" originated from the two living parents who provided the living parts to make a new life.
I believe consciousness is another way to say "alive".
I believe all life is conscious and has the consciousness of the life form it is.
A bug has the consciousness of a bug.
A rabbit has the consciousness of a rabbit, etc.
A sleeping person has the consciousness of a sleeping person who can be awakened by Mom calling from down the stairs to get up and go to school.
I believe two (or more) conscious beings might have the ability to communicate via means beyond the "normal" ones.

So all the questions of "what is consciousness?" are basically the same as "What is life?"
I don't think one produces the other, they are the same thing.

As to where does it all come from this conscious life in all its forms? Who knows. I don't.

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Maddogkull1 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:56 pm

Don't get me wrong Steven, I am not trying to go against your beliefs. But I just haven’t seen any evidence. I would love nothing more to believe in life after death. That would be amazing. Where is the evidence? Just a little bit of evidence that’s it. I haven't seen any. Please if anyone has any evidence please send some links. But I have to say that reincarnation link is pretty amazing. Still questionable though.
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