What produces consciousness?

What is a human being? What is life? Can science give us reliable answers to such questions? The electricity of life. The meaning of human consciousness. Are we alone? Are the traditional contests between science and religion still relevant? Does the word "spirit" still hold meaning today?

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Maddogkull1 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:44 am

Thanks for the replies, a couple of questions though. RNA, DNA; could these be conscious bits of information? We have just started to find out that insects and amoebas are smarter then we once thought is consciousness really produced by the brain? Is consciousness purely electric?
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Dotini » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:19 pm

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/co ... ?id=173727

Here is a fabulous answer! You are only a node living inside another brain.

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:54 pm

You are just the thought of a thought - U.G. Krishnamurti.
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and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Riposte » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:37 am

Nothing produces consciousness. The truth of the matter is that everything comes from consciousness.

Think of it this way... brain activity does not produce consciousness, it is the other way around. Consciousness produces brain activity.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby moses » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:31 pm

Nothing produces consciousness. The truth of the matter is that everything comes from consciousness.

Think of it this way... brain activity does not produce consciousness, it is the other way around. Consciousness produces brain activity.
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Let's be clear. Light hits the retina and nerve electrical impulses are generated and somewhere in the brain consciousness responds to some nerve impulses. This does not mean that the nerve impulses produce consciousness. Light of a specific frequency will produce nerve impulses that induce the experiencing of 'green', which is a part of consciousness.

So there is something attached to a region of the brain and this something produces the experiencing of 'green' when a certain nerve electrical impulse occurs in that region of the brain. This something is then experiencing or consciousness, and it defines what it is to be alive, for without it there is only a coma.

And one person's consciousness or experiencing is of the same nature as another person's. So communication between consciousnesses might be possible. So the 'green' experiencing of one person could induce a similar 'green' experiencing in another person. But would then this transferred 'green' experiencing cause the generation of nerve electrical impulses of the appropriate green frequency ? And thus can consciousness produce brain activity. Even further, can consciousness from the past communicate with the present consciousness.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby bboyer » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:22 pm

moses wrote:
Riposte wrote:Nothing produces consciousness. The truth of the matter is that everything comes from consciousness.

Think of it this way... brain activity does not produce consciousness, it is the other way around. Consciousness produces brain activity.
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Let's be clear. Light hits the retina and nerve electrical impulses are generated and somewhere in the brain consciousness responds to some nerve impulses. This does not mean that the nerve impulses produce consciousness. Light of a specific frequency will produce nerve impulses that induce the experiencing of 'green', which is a part of consciousness.

So there is something attached to a region of the brain and this something produces the experiencing of 'green' when a certain nerve electrical impulse occurs in that region of the brain. This something is then experiencing or consciousness, and it defines what it is to be alive, for without it there is only a coma.

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Of course, there is the peculiar instance of a non-comatose person (or animal, such as my dog on occasion) sleeping with their eyes open, if only partially. I assume the physiological circuits are still intact and capable of normal conscious function as witnessed by the fact that the sleeping person does not respond to visual stimuli (such as a waving hand over or in front of their open eyes) but does respond normally if awakened. Don't know if there have been any consciousness/sleep studies done regarding the open eyes thing, such as might it only occur during rem sleep and the like. If it's a rem sleep phenomenon then consciousness may still be connected such that if a light is shined in the sleeping person's eyes perhaps s/he experiences it as a light within a dream. Of course, rem sleep - Rapid Eye Movement - is signalled by the fluttering of the eyes beneath the eyelids; and the times I have noticed this, I don't recall if there was eye movement or not; could have been. If there is no correlation with a specific sleep state and focal consciousness is apparently absent (e.g. deep dreamless sleep) ... no point to make, just that the highlighted comment above got me wondering.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby junglelord » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:41 pm

I would refer the reader to some of the work of canadian scientist Wilbert Smith.
The concept of quadrature and fields is important here.
Consciousness is a field.
It is in quadrature to the electric and magnetic field.
All fields have quaternion freedom of relationship.
Maxwells work would be of help here in this regard.
To me it is simply a primary field.
The fields produce all matter from nonmaterial sources.
The matter becomes endowed with the properties of the fields that create it.
The ability for life and death to occur is due to the quaternion function of all fields.
This freedom of movement from nonmaterial, to material, to life, to death, back to material, back to nonmaterial is just the cycle of relationship b/t these fields and the rotating/forward/backward time displacment governed by the Aether physics model. There is really much more then just the now....there is the moment ahead and the moment behind...these degrees of freedom are not properly represented by the modern theoretical model of particles. We are not just vectoral...as most electric and electronic engineers calculate. We are quaternions.

We are scalar/soliton fractal holographs, and longitudinal and impulse as well as ES and EM... we are composed of four currents not one or two....the relationships of quadrature coupled with quaternions is the proper understanding of complex planes of interaction. Dollards work and theory of the four currents coupled with the work of Smith on the tempic field and Maxwells quaternions joined together make total sense to me. They are three sides of the same complex plane.

I find the proper definitions of dimensions lies in the work of Dave Thomson of the Aether Physics Model.
Mass is a dimension, as is length, frequency, charge. Consciouness is a field, not a dimension.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby StevenJay » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:03 am

junglelord wrote:Consciousness is a field.

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Maddogkull1 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:59 am

junglelord wrote: I find the proper definitions of dimensions lies in the work of Dave Thomson of the Aether Physics Model.
Mass is a dimension, as is length, frequency, charge. Consciouness is a field, not a dimension.


So you are saying consciouness is a field that exists everywhere in the universe? Im sort of confused what you mean by "field" though? Can you care to explain how consciouness is a field? Seems more logical that it is just produced in the brain :?:
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Dotini » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:53 am

Intelligence is routinely exhibited by life forms with either no brains or very little “gray matter”. How is that possible if the biochemical brain is the sole provider of intelligence and storehouse of our memories?
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby nick c » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:20 pm

hi Dotini,
Intelligence is routinely exhibited by life forms with either no brains or very little “gray matter”. How is that possible if the biochemical brain is the sole provider of intelligence and storehouse of our memories?


A man with almost no brain, leads a normal life:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290610,00.html

A similar case:
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/scien ... essary.htm

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I think that in this (and other threads dealing with the subject of conciousness) there is a need to define the term, before there can be a meaningful exchange of ideas. Everyone is not, I suspect, on the same page as to how and what they define as conciousness.

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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Maddogkull1 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:01 pm

But none of that matters though, as it is proven that when you get knocked out or put on anaesthesia you are not conscious, not one bit. Doesn’t that just prove that consciousness is all in the brain :?: :?: :?:
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby CTJG 1986 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:32 pm

Maddogkull1 wrote:But none of that matters though, as it is proven that when you get knocked out or put on anaesthesia you are not conscious, not one bit. Doesn’t that just prove that consciousness is all in the brain :?: :?: :?:


None of it matters?

As Nick pointed out this conversation isn't going to get far unless consciousness is defined.

Being conscious in the general sense means being awake, alert, aware, etc. To be unconscious in that sense is simply to be unresponsive to this physical realm, unaware, unawakened(asleep); it does not mean that person's consciousness has ceased in general.

Only death can cause that, from some view points.

Consciousness as I believe everyone other than you is referring to here is 'that which provides for our conscious state'. That which gives us life and intelligence and allows us to be aware of our environment.

Edit: Also, you do not need to be hit in the head to become physically unconscious, experiencing extreme pain, heat, fear, etc. can cause one to become unconscious.

When you go to sleep at night you voluntarily go into a physically unconscious state, your body recuperates while you are in that state. But your brain and consciousness do not cease to operate, hence why one is capable of "dreaming" while physically unconscious.

It seems reasonable to me to suggest that any event that causes extreme physiological or psychological damage to a person has the potential to invoke the response of becoming unconscious so as to assist natural recuperation.

But being physically conscious is simply an effect of consciousness, to become unconscious does not end one's consciousness.

Whether in a physically conscious or unconscious state the normally so-called 'unconscious' part of your brain still is capable of functioning, without consciousness it would not be.

Consciousness is a force or field or such, to be physically conscious or unconscious is an effect of various factors acting on or in conjunction with that consciousness.
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby starbiter » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:57 pm

This was posted earlier.


http://dictionary.weather.net/dictionary/conscious


Pronunciation: \ˈkän(t)-shəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin conscius, from com- + scire to know
Date: 1592
1 : perceiving, apprehending, or noticing with a degree of controlled thought or observation <was conscious that someone was watching>
2 archaic : sharing another's knowledge or awareness of an inward state or outward fact
3 : personally felt <conscious guilt>
4 : capable of or marked by thought, will, design, or perception
5 : self-conscious
6 : having mental faculties undulled by sleep, faintness, or stupor : awake <was conscious during the surgery>
7 : done or acting with critical awareness <a conscious effort to do better>
8 a : likely to notice, consider, or appraise <a bargain-conscious shopper> b : being concerned or interested <weight-conscious models> c : marked by strong feelings or notions <a race-conscious society>
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Re: What produces consciousness?

Unread postby Maddogkull1 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:06 pm

Yes, None of it matters. Because when you are unconscious, you are not aware, you technically don’t exist (until you wake up again) the brain has to produce consciousness. Or maybe consciousness is encoded in our DNA? If the brain does not produce consciousness, what does? Electricity? I just cannot see anything else producing consciousness besides the brain, or body for that matter. There had been nothing to say that consciousness exists outside the body.
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