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Islanders-far and wide

Unread postby perpetual motion » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:41 pm

Does anybody on this forum page have a theory or essay or know how the
islanders ended up on a lot of the remote islands. Did they become populated
by the sailors of clipper ships or did get tossed around when mother earth
was cleaning house and moving furniture a few centuries ago.
I don't think that they had floatation devices that could travel those
distances, besides they didn't know of others unless they could see
them off hand.Then there must have been mass confusion when the
land masses started moving around.Riding a land mass,as it is going
full rodeo, in the ocean, must have been something else but pure
terror. And to add to the terror,these people were very superstitious
and they still are to this day. thank you for your replies.
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Re: Islanders-far and wide

Unread postby D_Archer » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:49 am

Which island(s)?

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Re: Islanders-far and wide

Unread postby nick c » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:19 pm

Does anybody on this forum page have a theory or essay or know how the
islanders ended up on a lot of the remote islands.
Boats.
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Re: Islanders-far and wide and dogs

Unread postby perpetual motion » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:08 pm

All of the islands and detached lands in every sea and ocean. What got me to
ask these weird questions, is I read a small article on the Canary Islands,
when explorers first landed there, they said the island was over run with
wild dogs. Now how did these wild dogs get on those islands. I'am pretty
sure they did't have canoes. Get what I'am trying to ask, is how did they
get on these islands to begin with??? :shock:
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Re: Islanders-far and wide

Unread postby D_Archer » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:50 am

The origins of the Presa Canario are as old as the legends of the Jardines Hespérides. Many stories have been told about the dogs from the Canary Islands which confuse reality and fiction and experts and historians often contradict each other when talking about the characteristics of the native dog or the role which they played in the Conquest.

The first sign of their existence dates from the 1st century when the philosopher Plinio named the islands after the large dogs which King Mauritania Juba II found on them. From this first mention the conception was born which characterised the former island canines as ingentes magnitudinis. However, in his General History of the Canary Islands, Agustín Millares Torres said more precisely that the first historiographers described these dogs as “wild dogs, which seemed like wolves, but quite small”. Another reference to the size of the dogs can be found in the book History of Our Lady of Candelaria, by Fray Alonso de Espinosa, who spoke of dogs who ate the dead bodies of the Guanches after battles with the Spanish conquerors: “These dogs were terriers or small spaniels which were called cancha, bred by the natives”.

Due to these references, Manuel Curtó García affirms in his dissertation El Perro de Presa Canario: Historia de esta Maravillosa Raza that very little is known about the Canary dogs before the conquest but it is a fact that “their size: small”. Other historians, such as José Juan Jiménez, sustained that the original Canary dogs were confused with a species of large monk seals which populated the coasts of the Archipelago until the 15th century, known as cannis marinus.

Doubts on the physical characteristics of Presa Canario are mainly due to the mixture of races which occured with the arrival of imported dogs from Great Britain and Mainland Spain after the Conquest, and which led to the islands breeding different breeds such as mastiffs, shepherd dogs, Ibizan hounds, pointers, pachons, bulldogs, poodles and sabuesos, among others. For this reason, many experts today still question that the current Presas are descendants of the former dogs. These are questions which will probably never be answered.


Emphasis added by me.

Although the first reference is from the 1st century, so any number of dogs could have been brought to that island before that time, as nick said by boat.

Humans also get to islands by boat. Spiders can fly there and jellyfish die ashore.

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Re: Islanders-far and wide

Unread postby nick c » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:01 pm

Ancient civilizations, the Phoenicians for example, were skilled mariners and were quite capable of reaching the Canary Islands...and far beyond. They also had domesticated animals, including dogs, and no doubt transported them too. So it is certainly possible that humans are responsible for tranplanting the ancestors of those wild dogs.

On a more speculative note; there are numerous theories that the Canary Islands are all that remains of the islands of the Atlantis civilization. Perhaps that is the origin of the dogs?
That does not discount the possibility that under catastrophic conditions, sea levels could have encroached upon land creating islands, or that islands could have moved do to rapid tectonic events of a sort that we do not observe today.
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