The $6 billion LHC Circus

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by longcircuit » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:58 am

Does anyone want to second my nomination of edcrater as Limerick Laureate of the Electric Universe? ("Electric Uni-verse"—get it? Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.)

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by StefanR » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:16 am

More verses, anyone? Here's a start:

There was a young lady from CERN
Whose bosons were splendidly firm
But by inflation she got hit
And she was left without a bit
So she started a religion 'round Herne
The illusion from which we are seeking to extricate ourselves is not that constituted by the realm of space and time, but that which comes from failing to know that realm from the standpoint of a higher vision. -L.H.

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by Birkeland » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:07 pm

Taking the 'Large' out of Large Hadron Collider

Berkeley, August 9, 2010

Particle accelerators like the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN are the big rock stars of high-energy physics—really big. The LHC cost nearly USD$10 billion to build and its largest particle racetrack (27 km in circumference) stretches across a national border. However, a recent breakthrough in computer modeling may help hasten the day when accelerators thousands of times more powerful can be built in a fraction of the space—and for significantly less money. Researchers computing at the National Energy Research Scientific Computing (NERSC) Center have sped up by a factor of hundreds the modeling, and thus the design of experimental laser wakefield accelerators. Laser wakefield acceleration works by shooting powerful laser pulses through a cloud of ionized gas (plasma). The pulse creates a wave (or wake) on which introduced electrons "surf," much as human surfers ride ocean waves. Using this method, researchers have demonstrated acceleration gradients 1,000 times greater than conventional methods.
Wakefield accelerators: Plasma models get a boost
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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by JaJa » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:37 am

I thought the physics preprint archive was for science?

Time machine at the LHC

http://arxiv.org/abs/0710.2696
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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by Goldminer » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:08 am

You kill me Jaja. I think you are capable of outperforming them in their stories. It should be easy for you to be more outrageous than the link posted! You might even land a grant! Be even better if you could be granted a land grant. Then you could have your own collider. Or build bleachers, charge admission and hold jalopy derbies.
I sense a disturbance in the farce.

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by JaJa » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:45 am

You kill me Jaja. I think you are capable of outperforming them in their stories.
Are you inferring that i'm a good story-teller Goldminer :shock:
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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by Goldminer » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:24 am

Let's just say you are bad in a good sort of way, or visa versa.
I sense a disturbance in the farce.

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by JaJa » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:01 am

Goldminer wrote:Let's just say you are bad in a good sort of way, or visa versa.
Why thank you.

I bet the mathematical physicist responsible for this brain fart was called Dr Who :lol:

I know. Bad joke :roll:
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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by Goldminer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:14 am

Jaja wrote:I bet the mathematical physicist responsible for this brain fart was called Dr Who :lol:

I know. Bad joke : :roll:
Or maybe he was Dr Whooom!
I know, even worse bad joke!
I sense a disturbance in the farce.

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by candicet44 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:14 am

Birkeland wrote:
Taking the 'Large' out of Large Hadron Collider

Berkeley, August 9, 2010

Particle accelerators like the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN are the big rock stars of high-energy physics—really big. The LHC cost nearly USD$10 billion to build and its largest particle racetrack (27 km in circumference) stretches across a national border. However, a recent breakthrough in computer modeling may help hasten the day when accelerators thousands of times more powerful can be built in a fraction of the space—and for significantly less money. Researchers computing at the National Energy Research Scientific Computing (NERSC) Center have sped up by a factor of hundreds the modeling, and thus the design of experimental laser wakefield accelerators. Laser wakefield acceleration works by shooting powerful laser pulses through a cloud of ionized gas (plasma). The pulse creates a wave (or wake) on which introduced electrons "surf," much as human surfers ride ocean waves. Using this method, researchers have demonstrated acceleration gradients 1,000 times greater than conventional methods.
Wakefield accelerators: Plasma models get a boost
I saw on local tv satellite that CERN scientists expect the project to expose some of the mysteries of the cosmos...for $10 billion I hope they uncover something.

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by Goldminer » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:10 am

I think the money spent building the Great Pyramid was a better investment. It has remained in place for thousands of years, and no one laughs at it. The LHC will probably be dismantled and its resources reclaimed by some insider with connections. The story should be chiseled in stone, so that future generations will understand the folly. Maybe placed inside the great pyramid for safe keeping!
I sense a disturbance in the farce.

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by KeepitRealMark » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:42 am

I am sure that in our lifetimes we will see the LHC dismantled and sold for scrap metal.
They will use the tunnel as a unique location for some expensive Condominiums.
What else would it be good for?
Possibly converted into a Trill Ride at a high tech Theme Park?

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by JaJa » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:32 am


Particles That Flock: Strange Synchronization Behavior at the Large Hadron Collider

In its first six months of operation, the Large Hadron Collider near Geneva has yet to find the Higgs boson, solve the mystery of dark matter or discover hidden dimensions of spacetime. It has, however, uncovered a tantalizing puzzle, one that scientists will take up again when the collider restarts in February following a holiday break. Last summer physicists noticed that some of the particles created by their proton collisions appeared to be synchronizing their flight paths, like flocks of birds. The findings were so bizarre that “we’ve spent all the time since [then] convincing ourselves that what we were see ing was real,” says Guido Tonelli, a spokesperson for CMS, one of two general-purpose experiments at the LHC
How long do you think it will before before someone suggests an accelerator that circles the globe.

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by Jarvamundo » Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:34 pm

JaJa wrote: How long do you think it will before before someone suggests an accelerator that circles the globe.
Like a Birkeland current?

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Re: The $6 billion LHC Circus

Post by Goldminer » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:42 pm

JaJa wrote:
How long do you think it will before before someone suggests an accelerator that circles the globe.
You just did! How about one around the equator, and another around pole to pole? When those fail, let's build between the orbits of Earth and Mars! At some point they'll have to admit that the "particles" are waves.
I sense a disturbance in the farce.

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