what is charge?

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Re: what is charge?

Unread postby Sithri » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:46 pm

crawler wrote:The answer to what is charge will of course involve aether.
I have learnt a lot by reading papers by J G Williamson.
And papers by Conrad Ranzan (DSSU).
And Ivor Catt (papers & youtube).

I have myself posited that electric-magnetic-charge fields are made of photaenos which are a part of every photon. Photons are made of (1) a central helix, & (2) lots of photaenos (tentacles that emanate from the helix). The helix propagates at c along the axis, & the propagation involves the annihilation of aether. Aether is some sort of sub-quantum fluid, sub-quantum because it has no mass or energy (at least no ordinary energy). Photaenos propagate at praps 5c outwards from the helix (Gasser), & are formed by a vibration or vortex in the aether (& possibly annihilation).

Why 5c? And why do they have to be sub-quantum to have no mass or energy? Why not just say its a quantum ether that has no mass or energy? It would make no sense that a photon relies upon creation and annihilation because it is a continuum of oscillating electric and magnetic fields. if I were to define this, I would say one divided by the square root of both permeability times permittivity. Thus the vacuum itself is defining the speed of light, which isn't a vacuum but a quantum ether.
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Re: what is charge?

Unread postby crawler » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:40 pm

Sithri wrote:
crawler wrote:The answer to what is charge will of course involve aether.
I have learnt a lot by reading papers by J G Williamson.
And papers by Conrad Ranzan (DSSU).
And Ivor Catt (papers & youtube).

I have myself posited that electric-magnetic-charge fields are made of photaenos which are a part of every photon. Photons are made of (1) a central helix, & (2) lots of photaenos (tentacles that emanate from the helix). The helix propagates at c along the axis, & the propagation involves the annihilation of aether. Aether is some sort of sub-quantum fluid, sub-quantum because it has no mass or energy (at least no ordinary energy). Photaenos propagate at praps 5c outwards from the helix (Gasser), & are formed by a vibration or vortex in the aether (& possibly annihilation).

Why 5c? And why do they have to be sub-quantum to have no mass or energy? Why not just say its a quantum ether that has no mass or energy? It would make no sense that a photon relies upon creation and annihilation because it is a continuum of oscillating electric and magnetic fields. if I were to define this, I would say one divided by the square root of both permeability times permittivity. Thus the vacuum itself is defining the speed of light, which isn't a vacuum but a quantum ether.
Re a speed of 5c for em radiation, Gasser measured 5c in the nearfield at least. Anyone can define subquantum anyway they like, but it has to make sense. Everything that we feel & see is quantum.
U say that a photon is a continuum of em fields. I say that a photon is discrete, not a continuum. I say that em fields are made by a half of a photon, the photaeno half.
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Re: what is charge?

Unread postby webolife » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:42 am

Hey Crawler
Your "photeano half" amuses me. Consider a few observations/assertions:
First, yes a light action is discrete and finite. Thus it has "sides"... it's peripherals are symmetric, so one " half"cannot be distinguished from the "other". However, it might be described as having an inner and outer side, in which I might suggest the outer side is the em field you are picturing. What do you think of that?
To keep this on thread, I will remind that charge is the fundamental " holding" vector of electricity, as mass is for gravitation, both directed toward field centroid. Likewise the "outside" of light action is radiated/vectored toward centroid, rather than stuff being emanated from the centroid, ie. the centroid is a sink for light, electricity, and gravitation.
This is the piece that is obscured from the view of modern unifiers. IMHO 8-)
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Re: what is charge?

Unread postby crawler » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:24 pm

webolife wrote:Hey Crawler
Your "photeano half" amuses me. Consider a few observations/assertions:
First, yes a light action is discrete and finite. Thus it has "sides"... it's peripherals are symmetric, so one " half"cannot be distinguished from the "other". However, it might be described as having an inner and outer side, in which I might suggest the outer side is the em field you are picturing. What do you think of that?
To keep this on thread, I will remind that charge is the fundamental " holding" vector of electricity, as mass is for gravitation, both directed toward field centroid. Likewise the "outside" of light action is radiated/vectored toward centroid, rather than stuff being emanated from the centroid, ie. the centroid is a sink for light, electricity, and gravitation.
This is the piece that is obscured from the view of modern unifiers. IMHO 8-)
I havnt read all of the replys. But i think that charge is primary. It is some kind of excitation of the aether. That excitation is the excitation that emanates from the central helical part of a photon, i call it the photaeno part. Electrons quarks etc are confined photons, hencely u have photaenos emanating from electrons quarks etc.
The movement(s) of electrons (& possibly protons)(quarks), ie charge, gives us electro fields & magnetic fields.
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Re: what is charge?

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:02 am

crawler wrote:I havnt read all of the replys. But i think that charge is primary. It is some kind of excitation of the aether. That excitation is the excitation that emanates from the central helical part of a photon, i call it the photaeno part. Electrons quarks etc are confined photons, hencely u have photaenos emanating from electrons quarks etc.
The movement(s) of electrons (& possibly protons)(quarks), ie charge, gives us electro fields & magnetic fields.


Charge is physical photons indeed.

Electrical Charge by Miles Mathis: http://milesmathis.com/charge.html
What is charge? by Miles Mathis: http://milesmathis.com/charge2.html

I will show that charge is dimensionally the same as mass. Then I will show that charge is the mass of the charge photons


we can now re-define the charge field as a bombarding field only. It is always repulsive; never attractive. It is caused by radiation of these messenger photons, which I am going to re-dub B-photons (for bombarding photons). The repulsion is caused by an old-fashioned force by contact. Of course this means that the B-photons are not virtual: they have energy, mass equivalence, and even radius.
-added note by me: they also spin

ie charge, gives us electro fields & magnetic fields


Correct, photons moving in one direction together is an electric field, the spin of the photons is magnetic field (that is why it curves).

A great example of the application of all this is the explanation of Miles about cometary asteroid tales > http://milesmathis.com/comet.pdf

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Re: what is charge?

Unread postby crawler » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:57 pm

D_Archer wrote:
crawler wrote:I havnt read all of the replys. But i think that charge is primary. It is some kind of excitation of the aether. That excitation is the excitation that emanates from the central helical part of a photon, i call it the photaeno part. Electrons quarks etc are confined photons, hencely u have photaenos emanating from electrons quarks etc.
The movement(s) of electrons (& possibly protons)(quarks), ie charge, gives us electro fields & magnetic fields.
Charge is physical photons indeed.

Electrical Charge by Miles Mathis: http://milesmathis.com/charge.html
What is charge? by Miles Mathis: http://milesmathis.com/charge2.html

I will show that charge is dimensionally the same as mass. Then I will show that charge is the mass of the charge photons
we can now re-define the charge field as a bombarding field only. It is always repulsive; never attractive. It is caused by radiation of these messenger photons, which I am going to re-dub B-photons (for bombarding photons). The repulsion is caused by an old-fashioned force by contact. Of course this means that the B-photons are not virtual: they have energy, mass equivalence, and even radius.
-added note by me: they also spin.
ie charge, gives us electro fields & magnetic fields
Correct, photons moving in one direction together is an electric field, the spin of the photons is magnetic field (that is why it curves).

A great example of the application of all this is the explanation of Miles about cometary asteroid tales > http://milesmathis.com/comet.pdf
Regards, Daniel
I like Miles' stuff. I like the way he always looks for a mechanical explanation. I like the way he uses photons as the primary thing.

Jeans said that the photon is the basis of things, & matter is bottled photons.

But it appears to me that Mathis Jeans & Einsteinologists & all all nonetheless believe that (1) em radiation is photons & (2) photons are em radiation. Alltho Mathis would not agree with (2) i think.

But i differ to everyone, i am the only fellow who says that em radiation (including charge) is photaenos, & photaenos are a half of what i call a photon.
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Re: what is charge?

Unread postby crawler » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:06 pm

webolife wrote:Hey Crawler
Your "photeano half" amuses me. Consider a few observations/assertions:
First, yes a light action is discrete and finite. Thus it has "sides"... it's peripherals are symmetric, so one " half"cannot be distinguished from the "other". However, it might be described as having an inner and outer side, in which I might suggest the outer side is the em field you are picturing. What do you think of that?

To keep this on thread, I will remind that charge is the fundamental " holding" vector of electricity, as mass is for gravitation, both directed toward field centroid. Likewise the "outside" of light action is radiated/vectored toward centroid, rather than stuff being emanated from the centroid, ie. the centroid is a sink for light, electricity, and gravitation.
This is the piece that is obscured from the view of modern unifiers. IMHO 8-)
Yes an inner side & an outer side is exactly what i am saying. Inner is the central helical body half of the photon, propagating at c. Outer is the photaeno half, emanating at praps 5c in the nearfield (Gasser).

Centroid looks ok to me. But not forgetting that every electron & quark etc contributes its own little field (including gravity), & in the end we have a nett field (& nett gravity).

Unification of em & gravity is impossible because they are very different aspects of the aether. em stuff is an excitation of aether, gravity is due to acceleration of the bulk flow of aether (no excitation needed here).
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