Science Needs Natural Philosophers - Holoscience

[Jarvamundo]

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=n6yue95j

New piece up, fyi

[D_Archer]

What does Wal mean with "long overdue burial of relativity theory" ?

Is that not a bit of a broad statement? The basic premise of relativity by assuming a constanct c can not be buried. And Einsteins theories are already redefined/refined by Miles Mathis.

Regards,
Daniel

[Plasmatic]

It tickles me to no end that Wal is so enthused by Harriman's work. Having been hushed so many times for saying the same things Wal is saying now is hilarious to me.
Keep it up Wal !

[Plasmatic]

What does Wal mean with "long overdue burial of relativity theory" ?

Is that not a bit of a broad statement? The basic premise of relativity by assuming a constanct c can not be buried. And Einsteins theories are already redefined/refined by Miles Mathis.

Regards,
Daniel

Bell's work doesn't give you pause on this assumption?

[D_Archer]

Which Bell?

What Harriman?

Regards,
Daniel

[Jarvamundo]

The basic premise of relativity by assuming a constanct c can not be buried.

Keep the constant, toss the limit.

[D_Archer]

The basic premise of relativity by assuming a constanct c can not be buried.

Keep the constant, toss the limit.

Indeed

[Aliuar]

Interesting... but if what is true for a larger part, is also true for a smaller part, than how can a larger part be anything but the sum net gain of the smaller parts. Let me put it to you like this... V = V.

Distributions of V often create particles with unique behavior. I think that I am going to be studying these under my simulation more.. I've been working on a system called resolution... which has yielded some interesting animations.... I love exploring. I agree Natural Philosophy rocks!

[mrjacquel]

Science needs critical philosophers. Philosophers who understand the logical role of evidence (which is purely negative) and justification (which is nonexistent) in science. If EU theorists want to be taken seriously and unstick the mystics and new agers who tag along for the ride because they like the sound of EU, they ought to dispense with justificationism. I say this because I notice Wal's references to Popper.

...And as an aside, did Kant ever really claim that the world is "only in the mind?" I've literally never come across this claim. Granted, my study of Kant has not been completely in-depth, but this doesn't seem accurate to me. Kant, in constrast to what this interpretation seems imply, was attempting to save science from the irrationalism and skepticism of philosophers like Hume. He said that the mind imposed itself on the natural order to make sense of it, not (as I understand it) that the world existed "in" the mind. I think this is confusing Kant with the idealsim of his successors, like Fichte and Schelling - who were no more loyal to his thinking than Plato to Socrates. So I find this indictment of Kant to be unfair.

[Phorce]

The first part of this .... brilliant. Science urgently needs to shrug of it's layers of dust. That could start in Astronomy and Cosmology but could also apply to the health sciences, for example.

But then ... "It is plainly evident in our wars, religions, politics, business, economics, etc. War is a surrogate for doomsday ... ". It is disingenuous to apply analytical techniques designed for 1 to 1 therapy to a mass of people (Jung not withstanding). Look at Freuds original papers and essays (of which I have a copy here). I'm pretty sure he would baulk at his logical science of neurosis being applied to cosmology.

The argument about Religion. I've heard this before. Religion is based on far more than simply "irrational belief". We are complex beings not purely defined by argumentation alone. There are "illogical" or "irrational" reasons for doing things that cannot be explained by Science ... for example here ...

Believing in belief 16 Sept 2011

Fri, 16 Sep 11, Duration: 10 mins,

John Gray argues that the scientific and rationalist attack on religion is misguided. Atheist critics do not realise that religion is not generally about personal belief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/pov

War as well. Has every war simply been "irrational" ? Look at Libya where citizens were forced to protect themselves or face annihilation.

But I do take the general point that without a reasoned natural philosophy base to Science then their tends to be a loss of direction.