"Observations"(get it?) on Quantum Physics

[ColdCowboy]

You get it, right? Observation, the act of, is essential to Quantum Physics, because observing makes the wave function 'collapse' into one state, in reality.

Examples include the Cat experiment, the Slit experiment, the venerable Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal, and is a hard overall argument to debunk.

Also important, Entanglement, perhaps the most intrigueing principal of all; where we can conclude that everything is at some level 'entangled' because of the Big Bang. Whether these connections have faded with time, and the durability/reliability of these connections, can be questioned.

I have known about Quantum Physics for a while now, about 10-15 years, ever since reading Michio Kaku's book Hyperspace when I was a kid. Back then it was obscure, just the conjectures of math maniacs. But today in 2011, I notice that Quantum Physics and it's corps of proponents like Kaku, Kurzweil, and the Transhuman crew has become a solid front in the academic/techie universe. Not only that, it is being used as the 'proof' and foundations of an upstart New Age quasi-spiritual movement. People that talk about Quantum Physics and then say "I AM GOD" is annoying and makes me LOL. All I can say is, "not by my observation".

Whats more, they are talking about using these Quantum Principals to make Quantum Computers, at Google. This should both intrigue and worry us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I56UugZ_8DI

So who can say, with authority, if the Electric Universe model is compatible with Quantum Physics? Are these guys just shills for the establishment? I wonder if Steven Hawking is not just a puppet, and what he says in his hoaky machine language is just what his masters program for their poor marionette scientist to say.

Bonus Question? How does the EU model explain a SuperNova?

Thanks ALL and have a nice day

[nick c]

hi Coldcowboy,

How does the EU model explain a SuperNova?

From:
Supernova 1987A Decoded

How does a star explode? The conventional "implosion followed by explosion" model has many shortcomings. An electric star, on the other hand, has internal charge separation which can power a star-wide, expulsive lightning-flash. The star relieves electrical stress by fissioning or blowing off charged matter. A star also has electromagnetic energy stored in an equatorial current ring. Matter is ejected equatorially by discharges between the current ring and the star. Our own Sun does it regularly on a small scale. However, if the stored energy reaches some critical value it may be released in the form of a bipolar discharge, or ejection of matter, along the rotational axis. The remnant of SN 1987A shows such a bipolar ejection in the form of two blobs of matter (inside the bright ring).

A companion star may initiate a stellar discharge that results in fissioning. It is significant in this context that an unexplained and much-disputed "Mystery Spot" appeared along the line joining the two blobs and was seen briefly a couple of months after the explosion and then quickly faded from sight. The spot was too far away to have been ejected by the supernova and its brightness (10% of the supernova) was too great to be explained by reflection off a cloud of matter. It may have been a faint companion that triggered, or was a part of the circuit of the electrical supernova discharge.

The bright beaded ring shows that matter has been ejected equatorially. However, the ring is not expanding. The other two fainter rings are also arranged above and below the star on the same axis and show similar but fainter "bright spots".

Conventionally, a shock wave from an exploding star should show spherical, rather than axial, symmetry. And there is no particular reason why the shock front should form a ring of bright spots. We should expect some visible indication of the spherical cavity.

Stars are an electrical plasma discharge phenomenon. Electrical energy produces heavy elements near the surface of all stars. The energy is transferred over cosmic distances via Birkeland current transmission lines. The energy may be released gradually or stored in a stellar circuit and unleashed catastrophically. It is these cosmic circuits that are the energy source for the supernova explosion – not the star. That is why the energy output of some nebulae exceeds that available from the central star. See Shocks from Eta Carina.

The electrical energy released in supernova fissioning is prodigious, so it is no surprise that there is an abundance of heavy elements and neutrinos dispersed into space by the stellar "lightning flash."

There are also several TPODs on the subject:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Novae

Nick

[ColdCowboy]

If it explodes spherically, axis-wise, or even asymetrically; all those variables can be explained by the freq/vibration of the energy in the star. Akin to the field of cymmatics, where different energy levels account for different patterns of output.

[ColdCowboy]

Stars are an electrical plasma discharge phenomenon. Electrical energy produces heavy elements near the surface of all stars. The energy is transferred over cosmic distances via Birkeland current transmission lines. The energy may be released gradually or stored in a stellar circuit and unleashed catastrophically. It is these cosmic circuits that are the energy source for the supernova explosion – not the star. That is why the energy output of some nebulae exceeds that available from the central star. See Shocks from Eta Carina.

This about sums things up.

Interesting, how this imply's that a star cannot blow itself up on its own power(because it doesnt have its own power, correct).

Looking at the sun, SOL, we can see that it could not last as long and burn so bright, unless it's power source was non-local. Now I Can See that the appearance and size of a star, like red dwarf or blue giant, are just recieving different types of input from 'the galactic grid'.

Now extrapolate,...What happens at the Galaxy-to-Galaxy level, how far up the chain is a mortal allowed to see? Does each Galaxy have an independent power source at Centerpoint, or is there a meta-network between them all? I would tend to believe that each Galaxy is independly powered, resulting in the varied shapes. Because if you want to assign each galaxys unique-ness to a network effect, then thats crazy man. You can say that about the star-to-star level, and thats acceptable.

[mharratsc]

Without posting direct quotes to particular observations that led up to these conjectures (I'm not really good at quote-keeping), it runs along these lines:

Atomic hydrogen clouds are enormous and prolific. Being above absolute zero and affecting each other with gravity, they move. The atoms in each cloud, and the clouds themselves, pick up charge. Charges separate (as charges are wont to do) and ... well, everything in the whole EU model is based upon charge separation in plasmas as causing everything else in the Universe, so basically with the causal mechanism of the original reason why charges separate, and maintain separation after the fact, you've got a really good idea how everything sustains itself, and even how it might have gotten started, but certainly you cannot ascertain when.

Really oversimplified, I know... but sometimes simple is good.

[ColdCowboy]

So this suggests that energy is created at the local level. So perhaps its created there in the gas nebula and when enough of it build, it jumps into a Birkeland current and leaves the nebula, heading for a star which has attracted it.

Thanks for avoiding the tedious note-pasting, I don't consider this an academic thread (like others are here). I value somebody's momentary opinion more sometimes than an extended dialogue. Similar to the way you make a calculation mentally for a pool shot in under 1-3 seconds, and then move, making it. If you plot your shot for 30 secs, its more likely you might miss.

[mharratsc]

I wouldn't say that "energy is created", but rather that there IS energy (non-absolute-zero thermokinetic energy) and gravity which would eventually lead to electrostatic charge buildup... and that would eventually lead to electrodynamic effects as these charge carriers float around and eventually get close enough to each other to electromagnetically interact.

So imagine you are looking down upon a large swath of the Universe, and you're seeing two of these 'little' clouds zap together over here... a couple over there... and then these charges merge together, more and more and more... until you watch a very slow motion lightning bolt branching along, looking for another great big lower charge potential to zap into and equalize with.

It is in these foci that we see galaxies and stars and whatnot form, due to electrodynamic effects (such z-pinches and Marklund convection, for instance.)

See?

[ColdCowboy]

... and then these charges merge together, more and more and more... until you watch a very slow motion lightning bolt branching along, looking for another great big lower charge potential to zap into and equalize with.

It is in these foci that we see galaxies and stars and whatnot form, due to electrodynamic effects (such z-pinches and Marklund convection, for instance.)

See?

So when a connection happens between this slow-moving lightning and the potential (dust cloud?) a galaxy or star is formed, correct?

That actually makes sense in a way, if one views galaxys as electric-storm wheels flying around the so-called void.

[ColdCowboy]

Thanks for bringing up z-pinches, that is a very cool topic that has managed to avoid my beacon-like gaze for far too long.

[mharratsc]

Hey, you're very welcome, bud.

If you're interested in z-pinches and dense plasma foci, you should check out focusfusion.org. Very practical experimentation going on right now regarding these subjects, that may result in clean fusion energy within the decade (and way, waaaay ahead of the Tokamak reactor guys)!

[Sparky]

Does each Galaxy have an independent power source at Centerpoint, or is there a meta-network between them all?

somewhere there is an image showing how everything is connected in a spider web like structure. the power source is speculated to be outside of the known universe.

[ColdCowboy]

Hey, you're very welcome, bud.

If you're interested in z-pinches and dense plasma foci, you should check out focusfusion.org. Very practical experimentation going on right now regarding these subjects, that may result in clean fusion energy within the decade (and way, waaaay ahead of the Tokamak reactor guys)!

Arrghh! The focusfusion.org is not hosted there anymore...Makes you wonder if it's better for a group developing fusion to stay underground and off the radar, until they have a re-distributable prototype design. Best for such altruism not to announce itself when there is so much greed in the world.

[ColdCowboy]

Does each Galaxy have an independent power source at Centerpoint, or is there a meta-network between them all?

somewhere there is an image showing how everything is connected in a spider web like structure. the power source is speculated to be outside of the known universe.

It's pretty amazing, my friend.

The webway is the harmonic structure of the universe, like a cymatical or fractal disturbance pattern. The Disturbance pattern is noted in the double slit experiment.

[mharratsc]

Coldcowboy wrote:

Arrghh! The focusfusion.org is not hosted there anymore...

Check again, pal: Focus Fusion Society

[ColdCowboy]

Ok thanx I got it.