Stephen Hawking reinvents God

[Birkeland]

Not a new insight, but an idea identical to, and as mad as the old creationist myth:

Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God

God did not create the universe, the man who is arguably Britain's most famous living scientist says in a forthcoming book. In the new work, The Grand Design, Professor Stephen Hawking argues that the Big Bang, rather than occurring following the intervention of a divine being, was inevitable due to the law of gravity. "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," thus follows:

• In the beginning Gravity created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and Gravity was hovering over the waters, and it made a Big Bang ... etc.

The same old can with a new name and another kick down the same old road leading to the inevitable question:

• "Who created gravity?"

[StevenJay]

What does one even say to something like that??
So far, is about the best I can come up with. . . .

I guess when you're the official poster-boy for the mighty Church of Mainstream Cosmology, you can say pretty much anything you like. . . and it doesn't have to make any sense.

I still maintain that Stephen died years ago, but the Church jumped on the opportunity to present a miracle to the world, through the magic of Disney and the lattest in animatronics. Think about it. Nothing moves except the eyes (supposedly). All the public ever experiences is the wheel chair moving around and synthesized speech coming out.

[StevenO]

• "Who created gravity?"

Something outside you...

To rephrase it: as long as you are still asking questions you're not there yet.

[nick c]

Oh well, you guys beat me to it. I just read a news release on this latest pronouncement (which I assume is geared toward stimulating book sales) and I thought I would start a thread. I should have known something like this was not going to escape the scrutiny of the members of this forum for long
My 2 cents....
Everyone is entitled to make their own philosophical or metaphysical conjectures. The alarms go off because this is the preeminent "scientist" or theoretician in the world today (maybe not by your, or my, or the EU standards; but certainly by the consensus.) This pronouncement has a definite theological tone to it, whether or not it invokes a deity or the absence thereof. This smacks of the "high priest" pontificating for the enlightenment and benefit of all the ignorant peons in his domain. It is reminiscent of a medieval bishop speculating on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I probably will not be reading the book, so if anyone could explain how there is anyway there can be a creation ex nihilo, it would be interesting to know. A verification through experimentation or observation (as opposed to an abstract mathematical analysis) would be nice.

Why is it so difficult to just admit that there are issues beyond the scope of the state of science as presently practiced by humans? Some things just do not have an (science) answer at this time, and it may always be that way, as I would assume.

Note: If Stephen Hawkings made some kind of disclaimer that he was wearing his philosphers' hat and not his scientists' hat, then...well I guess that would be sort of okay. But then I wonder if he even owns a scientist hat? a mitre would be cool, no?

Nick

[StevenJay]

Note: If Stephen Hawkings made some kind of disclaimer that he was wearing his philosphers' hat and not his scientists' hat, then...well I guess that would be sort of okay. But then I wonder if he even owns a scientist hat? a mitre would be cool, no?

Meh. . .

[Osmosis]

Excuse me for remembering a certain character in Dr. Who---sorry

[Total Science]

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." -- Job 38:4

"The extraordinary thing is that scientists accept the Big Bang and in the same breath deride the Creationists." -- Wallace Thornhill, physicist, date unknown

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/ ... ng-creator

In the new work, The Grand Design, Professor Stephen Hawking argues that the Big Bang, rather than occurring following the intervention of a divine being, was inevitable due to the law of gravity.

Stephen Hawking says God did not create the universe. Dr. Hawking knows this because, after all, he was there. His magic wheelchair tells him so. The time machine built into his wheelchair allows him to travel back in time to the Big Bang that never happened, in order to observe the violation of conservation of matter and energy.

If you're skeptical of the fact Hawking has a time machine in his wheelchair then you're obviously unaware that he was also able to augur the flight paths of birds by using a crystal ball and a scrying bowl.

When he looked into the scrying bowl it said the following words: "There is no God."

And anyone can repeat this observation in the laboratory.

In his 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking had seemed to accept the role of God in the creation of the universe. But in the new text, co-written with American physicist Leonard Mlodinow, he said new theories showed a creator is "not necessary".

The Grand Design, an extract of which appears in the Times today, sets out to contest Sir Isaac Newton's belief that the universe must have been designed by God as it could not have been created out of chaos.

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

Ah yes. Spontaneous creationism. How scientific.

[mague]

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2738.htm

[StevenO]

If Hawkins does'nt even know the limits of science he has not a single bit of authority nor credibility discussing these kind of topics.

[kiwi]

if nothing else it points to the folly of putting people like professor Hawking on a gilt pedestal, considered the greatest mind on the planet,..... by definition, who can question him?

[Jarvamundo]

im still trying to figure out what part of creation isn't spontaneous...
let alone who/what put/creationed those chalk marks there...

This is all guna get a run on T.Bridgman rite? since were Dealing with Spontaneous Creation in Astronomy?

jus sayin'

[cherokeeroots]

It's a shame that Hawking's doesn't spontaneously combust. He says it doesn't matter that he is paralyzed because he is FREE in his Mind, well, obviously that's defined according to the law of gravity. Maybe that's why he is unable to control these urges to spontaneously spew shite, he is demonstrating that pure BS can be created out of nothing.

Just a thought

[StevenJay]

"The extraordinary thing is that scientists accept the Big Bang and in the same breath deride the Creationists." -- Wallace Thornhill, physicist, date unknown

"If you readily accept that billions of years ago, nothing exploded into everything, then what will you balk at?"
- Terrence McKenna

Indeed!

[MrPressure]

Hawking brings a funny dude.

Justifies the need for the god of his own god which does not understand nor can explain.

Hawking can not tell how his god (gravity), namely thrust generated, and works passed.

He set aside the creator of the existence of their god (gravity) is not really even exists.

This is by far mankind's most amusing and ridiculous thing.

Hawking also believes in expanding the state (expanding space) which also has its own cosmologys god.

Also curved space is equivalent to the concept of the gods.

Gods, the expansive space, curved space, or drive power /drawing force to explain and do not know these people invented gods are not understood.

They can only believe.

Mathematics can not prove the existence of the gods.

I can proof, space dont expanding or curving at all.

I can explain everything with out gravity!

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This is good news

SwRI energetic particle instruments selected for Solar Probe Plus mission



http://www.physorg.com/news202728557.html

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[MrPressure]

Hawking dont need god.

Well, i dont need gravity.

i can explain how new universe born with out gravity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVucsUCERHc

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