Do they really think they know everything?

[nick c]

The Discovery Channel has been airing a series, How The Universe Works, explaining the secrets of the Universe (to the feeble minded masses) and I cannot help but to be impressed by the sheer magnitude of the hubris of these mathematical theorists! such as, but not limited to, Stephen Hawkings.
Here are some TV Guide summaries for a couple of the episodes:

Black Holes: Examining black holes, the devastation they can wreak and how they shape the universe.

and it only gets worse:

The Story of Everything: The beginning of the universe, the creation of stars and black holes, how everything ends.

Establishment science has become a religion.

Nick

[Siggy_G]

Sigh... yep. And here's a recent article from Hawking:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... chine.html

But there is another kind of length, a length in time. While a human may survive for 80 years, the stones at Stonehenge, for instance, have stood around for thousands of years. And the solar system will last for billions of years. Everything has a length in time as well as space. Travelling in time means travelling through this fourth dimension.

These are different examples of cycles and events. We use time a transparent grid to subdivide movements or extrapolate them. Time is a human invented measurement, used for calculus, planning and analysis of movements/cycles/events. The way I see it, time is not something that literally exists in nature that can be "traveled through" at various speeds.

(...) Unfortunately, these real-life time tunnels are just a billion-trillion-trillionths of a centimetre across. Way too small for a human to pass through - but here's where the notion of wormhole time machines is leading. Some scientists think it may be possible to capture a wormhole and enlarge it many trillions of times to make it big enough for a human or even a spaceship to enter.

And so on... I'm saving this for a later read, while trying to hold onto my sanity.

By the way: "Stephen Hawking's Universe' begins on May 9 on Discovery Channel (HD) at 9pm".

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[ElecGeekMom]

What is the point?!?!

I had that show on last night while I was doing some other things. It's so annoying that I can't stand to give it my full attention.

[scotts]

What is the point?!?!

I had that show on last night while I was doing some other things. It's so annoying that I can't stand to give it my full attention.

I use to love those type of shows. I would sit down with my 9 year old and watch them. Now I find them hard to watch and I am reluctant to let him watch them. Though I do let him, and then explain how it is a guess, and a bad one at that... Really wanted to get a good EU DVD for him to watch.

Every generation thinks they know everything. Every generation is wrong. Ours is no different. Our kids generation will be no different.

[junglelord]

I feel the same way. I used to eat this stuff up, now it just upsets my stomach. Total brainwashing.

[Jarvamundo]

ditto

[Jarvamundo]

Siggy... i just read that Hawkings article and nearly threw up.

"Hello. My name is Stephen Hawking. Physicist, cosmologist and something of a dreamer. "

Now, I realise that thinking in four dimensions is not easy, and that wormholes are a tricky concept to wrap your head around, but hang in there. I've thought up a simple experiment that could reveal if human time travel through a wormhole is possible now, or even in the future. I like simple experiments, and champagne.

So I've combined two of my favourite things to see if time travel from the future to the past is possible.

Let's imagine I'm throwing a party, a welcome reception for future time travellers. But there's a twist. I'm not letting anyone know about it until after the party has happened. I've drawn up an invitation giving the exact coordinates in time and space. I am hoping copies of it, in one form or another, will be around for many thousands of years. Maybe one day someone living in the future will find the information on the invitation and use a wormhole time machine to come back to my party, proving that time travel will, one day, be possible.

In the meantime, my time traveller guests should be arriving any moment now. Five, four, three, two, one. But as I say this, no one has arrived. What a shame. I was hoping at least a future Miss Universe was going to step through the door. So why didn't the experiment work? One of the reasons might be because of a well-known problem with time travel to the past, the problem of what we call paradoxes.

Paradoxes are fun to think about. The most famous one is usually called the Grandfather paradox. I have a new, simpler version I call the Mad Scientist paradox.

There it is folks... there is the experiment of the worshipped relativist... all that is required is your miiiiiiiind.

This is not physics
This is not science
This is stoopid nonsensical retarded misleading mathematical thought-game filth of which can never be consistently reproduced, therefore It is not an experiment.

Here is your worm hole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOCeRuhqL8

[solrey]

Right on brothers and sisters. This Hawking guy. The general dumbed down herd just eats it up. He also thinks that aliens are apt to be some sort of nomadic locust-like species so according to him, our attempts to make contact with aliens are just inviting them to come and steal our resources.
With a whole universe of hassle free resources available in the form of uninhabited moons, asteroids, or even something like water masers and likely having mastered nucleosynthesis anyways, considering the advanced technology required to get here in the first place...why the bloody 'ell would they risk taking a mere pittance from an ill-mannered, unpredictable and demonstrably dangerous species? Dude, see your doctor about paranoid psychological projection disorder or something. I got a formula for ya mister theoretical math guy...kava-kava, valerian, passion flower and st. johns wart...calm ya right down.
How does he sleep at night knowing that there are plundering nomadic alien reptilians that could pop out of a wormhole lurking under his bed and wrap their tentacles around his brain stem any minute now?
On second thought, it sounds like maybe they already have.

cheers

[junglelord]

I am firmly convicted that alien life exists. I am also convinced that any alien life that visits us is none threating.
The fear moungering by Hawkings on alien life acting like the old British Empire and their treatment of native people globealy, is pure fear mongering....as he has no proof of that. Infact it seems that they are Watchers at best, seemingly following a Prime Directive like Star Trek, No Involvement. A group of intergalactic warriors out to conqour new worlds, like Avatar, is pure hollywood. Only Man would leave Earth with those goals.

Interesting that all of a sudden the existance of alien life is a given, from Hawking to the Catholic Church.
Wonder whats up with the public admissions....I mean after all the swamp gas tin foil hat lables they have created for anyone that saw a UFO, I wish they would make up their mind. They go from you must be retarded, there are no ufos, to look out for deadly aliens...they just jump fence and never act they ever believed any different. They are liers and poor ones at that. However on a large scale they have been successful with their central brain washing goals. Many herds have been created. Cattle we tend to be. This forum is a rare breed of people. We realized we were on a farm and decided to leave.

[Aardwolf]

Indeed. It's likely that these extremely advanced civilisations would be peaceful as resource gathering is probably unnecessary considering what we know here about the true nature of the universe.

I would theorise that our system is likely held as a preservation area accessable under licence only for scientific purposes etc. As the majority of our planet is still relatively uneducated and religion rules a lot of poorer nations, they will not reveal this because of the likelyhood of widespread panic. Possibly war. No doubt they would have had experience of these matters in the past.

[ElecGeekMom]

Speaking of time travel, did anyone else catch that story not long ago of how some think the LHC was being sabotaged by time travellers, to prevent it from working?

I know a fellow who used to follow conspiracy theories with great relish. He mentioned that TPTB intend to introduce so-called "aliens" to the planet (or say they had arrived...) as a way of grabbing further control. It's supposed to be part of someone's agenda.

Yeah, for the Catholic Church and Hawking to start singing from the same book, the charade is likely around the corner. Ya think? Maybe this will be Al Gore's next crusade.

You know, it's amazing how much in the first world countries is accepted based simply on what some "authority" says is true.

Anybody know a good, really-truly SCIENCE teacher? Someone who still practices and values the experiment-based scientific method? Last night my offspring and I were talking about the current science teacher and how poor a teacher he is. They won't even check out books to the students so they can do their homework at home.

When they took a standardized test recently, about half of the science section was about rocks and fossils, and their class had not studied them at all this year. My offspring has had a continuing interest in rocks and fossils and has a collection of them at home. We're hoping that made a difference.

[jjohnson]

EGMom - If you'd like a truly interesting web site about rocks - the particular kind known as ignimbrite or fire cloud rock - by Dennis Cox, take a look here:
http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/a-dif ... strophe-2/

Read it through and explore it yourself first, and then, if you find it suitable and of interest, have your son look it over - you can get Google Earth out and look more closely at some of his references, etc. He has some very interesting and original notions of how certain things may well have occurred which resulted in unusual geologic formations, and may have been a part of what ushered in a well-known cooling period on Earth.I'm not into geology too much (I like stars and cosmic EU ideas) but this was a very absorbing read, and I believe the gent knows his stuff.

Jim

[mague]

Speaking of time travel, did anyone else catch that story not long ago of how some think the LHC was being sabotaged by time travellers, to prevent it from working?

I heard it was baptized by someone and its name is E-dward. That probably ruined the whole thing on the quantum level

Science is great

[Siggy_G]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/s ... 879293.ece

What Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, are suggesting is that the Higgs boson, the particle that physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be “abhorrent to nature”.

What does that mean? According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place.

However, to the LHC scientists' defence, the above mentioned scientists are hypothesizing something on the side line of their studies:

Some of Cern’s leading researchers also take Nielsen at least a little seriously. Brian Cox, professor of particle physics at Manchester University, said: “His ideas are theoretically valid. What he is doing is playing around at the edge of our knowledge, which is a good thing.

Of course, they are still proposing several other "great findings" (LHC detecting hidden dimensions, dark matter etc.).

[ElecGeekMom]

EGMom - If you'd like a truly interesting web site about rocks - the particular kind known as ignimbrite or fire cloud rock - by Dennis Cox, take a look here:
http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/a-dif ... strophe-2/

Read it through and explore it yourself first, and then, if you find it suitable and of interest, have your son look it over - you can get Google Earth out and look more closely at some of his references, etc. He has some very interesting and original notions of how certain things may well have occurred which resulted in unusual geologic formations, and may have been a part of what ushered in a well-known cooling period on Earth.I'm not into geology too much (I like stars and cosmic EU ideas) but this was a very absorbing read, and I believe the gent knows his stuff.

Jim

Jim,

Thanks! I'll have a look at it.

There was an article in yesterday's Oklahoman about the Ames anomaly that Tolenio originally wrote about. That (plus some other rock-oriented things that have caught my attention lately) makes me think it's time to take some road trips around the state this summer to check out some of these phenomena firsthand. My kid might eat it up! Plus, that would be a good way to get my geeky kid out in the sun! I would like more information on how to identify traces of the EU side of things in rock formations.

Laura