How A Capacitor Really Works

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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by Solar » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:33 am

Well, yes. Reasoning about the activities of magnets does lead to the conclusion that there is something being affected in the spatial region surrounding them. Its difficult not to come to that conclusion. I think the "lines of force" analogy doesn't hold weight as a proper description of what is actually functioning in those spatial regions but helps as a representation of the 'strength of the field' analogy.

But what do you think of this idea:

When sprinkling iron filings around a magnet could it be that instead of "lines of force", the filings may also represent those properties akin to "stress in the dielectric" ? This by way of the dipole arrangement of those iron filings i.e. molecular, atomic, and/or electron polarization.

Dielectrics

It seems that "polarization" can be made analogous to a "flow" or directional 'aetheric wind' (E-field). However, though analogous it seems more-so that the interaction gently 'offsets' the normal 'electrical balance' of one or more of those features (molecular, atomic, electron etc). It changes the normally balanced "dipole moment" of the 'dielectric structure'.

So, in reasoning about magnets it seems also possible to consider the arrangement of iron filings as being analogous to 'dielectric stress". Not just a relation to the 'strength of the field'. Thoughts?
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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by junglelord » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:57 am

Thats what Howard Johnson says!
You hit the head on the nail.
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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by junglelord » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:15 am

Want to see how a capacitor really works?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg
MIT Physics Demo -- Dissectible Capacitor

Clearly the Dielectric stress is in the dielectric material, not the copper plates, as is erroneous taught.
Another clear victory of Tesla/Dollard theory of Electrostatic Phenomenon and Dielectric Field Theory.
Eric Dollard on the MIT youtube video, the master speaks
There are some very serious misconceptions in the world of Electrical Engineering today. (The writings of Oliver Heaviside and Proteus Steinmetz gravely warned about this...) Let us start with the YouTube MIT Physics Demo video. This is a good demonstration for several reasons.

1.) Glass is a dielectric which can store electrical energy within its physical form. This should be common knowledge and not a surprise to anyone today…

2.) That this simple fact and reality “blows some people’s minds” clearly illustrates that it’s just all gone way, way, too far… The Einsteinian Lie has succeeded in instilling a mind virus in most everyone and also in confusing Main Stream “Scientists”, who today waste billions of dollars of funding each year, only to chase their own tails in a canonic sequence.


Chris Carson Built the Rotary Electrostatic Converter. His design was based entirely on my electrical theory and math. It was designed to demonstrate and validate the concept of Synchronous Parameter Variation and the Four Quadrant Theory of Electricity. The device worked well. It had to spin up to around 10,000 RPM. This unit took Chris months to complete; to get all of the parts together, and to get it perfectly balanced and operational. Chris determined that it was starting to exhibit the effects of synthesis of electrical energy from the electrostatic field. This is a result of the variation of capacitance (C in Farrads) with respect to time (T in seconds) which results in a negative conductance G (in Siemens). Hence the generation of electric energy. Then, disinformants, whom I refer to as the “Montauk Crowd” swooped in on him after he completed this device, and he was never the same again, - he died of Brain Cancer a year or two later…

There was also the Rotary Electromagnetic Converter, constructed by Michael Knots and Peter Lindemann with the help of Chris Carson. This unit exhibited the property of materializing and dematerializing electric energy without regard for the Law of Conservation of Energy. This is another example of synchronous parameter variation. In this case inductance (L in Henrys) time (T in seconds) gave rise to positive resistance (R in Ohms), hence the unaccounted for destruction of electric energy. It must be just as illegal to destroy energy as it is to create it – don’t you think? E is NOT equal to MC squared. There is no Matter to Energy equivalency – this is: The Great White Lie…

(Where is the video that was made of this device being tested with my Navy electrical switchboard instrumentation anyway????)

I have a device, built for the Army Air Corps during World War 2, A/N number PP-18/AR Power Converter, which self-sustains the electrical system in my car. It uses the same theory of operation as Chris’s device but involves a different mechanical implementation utilizing a vibrator, several capacitors and 12V and 24V batteries that are connected in parallel through the device, rendering them as one.

I had a young student from Korea visit me a few years back. He had no problem understanding the basic concept of producing an energy synthesizing apparatus, because his mind was uncontaminated by all of the Bedini/Bearden falsehoods. The term Scalar Wave is an oxymoron, as scalar is part of the propagation constant that is NOT A WAVE! (Idiots!)

Most are clueless about the importance of the Variation of Inductance and Capacitance with respect to time – and synchronous parameter variations. Read chapter 21 (XXI) titled REACTION MACHINES in Charles Proteus Steinmetz’s book titled “Alternating Current Phenomena”. There is also a Russian paper (brought to me by the Korean student as a gift) titled: “UBER DIE ERREGUNG VON ELETRISCHEN SCHWINGUNGEN DURCH PARAMETERAENDERUNG” von L. Mandelstam und N. Papalexi, published in 1934 in: J. ZEITSCHRIFT FUR (umlaut on the U - as should also be on the first U in the title of the paper) TECHNISCHE PHYSIK Band IV, Heft 1, that continues with what Steinmetz teaches in his books, and takes it all the way (Title translation: Concerning the Excitation of Electrical Waves Through Parameter Changes). In one picture in the paper, there appears to be a brightly glowing incandescent lamp connected to a network, with no apparent connection to a power source. It appears to be an Alexanderson type Mag. Amp. operating in a self oscillation mode. (Alexanderson Patent # 1,328,797 Jan. 20, 1920): Even though my copy of the paper is in Russian, the equations speak for themselves and echo the work of Steinmetz and Alexanderson. Ernst Alexanderson emigrated to America because of Steinmetz’s book, - he was determined to work with Steinmetz after studying it. Steinmetz was forced to reverse many of his equations in later books and was severely criticized by physicist Michael Pupin of Columbia University for not using Maxwell’s ideas and instead developing a methodology that was actually useful and practical for engineers. (Read, “Steinmetz, Engineer and Socialist” written by Ronald R. Kline.) Here it was said that General Electric gave Steinmetz permission to create Electricity form the square root of minus one…

I personally created so much Electricity form the square root of minus one out of the compressor plant’s synchronous machines at the Richmond Ship-yard that I was working in at the time (which also housed one of my laboratories) that it tripped the reverse power relays of the Richmond substation and shut off all power to the City of Richmond. For that to have happened, means that the City of Richmond was producing more power than it was consuming, hence the reverse power relays tripped and shut the city down. PG & E trucks were there almost immediately. Shortly thereafter, I presented my Four Quadrant Theory to Pacific Gas & Electric Co. executives and engineers on behalf of the lease holder of the shipyard and they became my friends (however they would not allow the shipyard meter to turn backwards). So much for Corporate Suppression… In actuality PG & E would love to have energy sustaining devices connected to their power grid. Profits would soar and pollution would drop. Such devices tend to operate above 500 kva and are not scalable into smaller devices, and therefore are only appropriate for substations. In West Marin, the Tocaloma PG & E substation on the Ignacio/Olema 66 kv line, has only one line for both the input and output. It represents the vestige of such devices, - an installation that has been in operation for at least 70 years. Today, probably no one in PG& E, even knows how it all works. (Don’t expect the lights to stay on for too much longer… today, engineers have been replaced by lawyers and safety has been replaced by insurance. It’s a LET-IT-BURN policy…)
At the time, the Bolinas RCA-Marconi Station, through corporate encouragement by RCA and Bell Telephone, gave me free run of that site to set up one of my laboratories. My plan was to produce a system utilizing no rotating machinery but only static devices, such as coils and condensers in an Alexanderson configuration to possibly power the town of Bolinas and at least provide PG & E with all of their reactive power needs. The network experiments would consume no energy to operate and therefore cost nothing. The plan was to use the electrical substation on-site to connect to PG & E’s grid, giving power to them for free, in exchange for being able to use the 12kv power line for my experiments. Everything of importance including engineering records and notes as well the equipment at the Bolinas RCA-Marconi Station was destroyed by State of California Environmentalists through Jerry Brown (former California Governor) and the environmental politician Burr Henneman, this in conjunction with The National Park Service. The NPS is an EMBEDDED FOREIGN ORGANIZATION within the United States Government. Massive quantities of polychlorinated biphenyls and mercury were released into the environment by environmentalists in their endeavor to destroy the Station as quickly as possible. (See the link already posted by phi1.62 on 01-21-2009 on page 2 of this thread) The same group destroyed my Civil Defense Facility in the town of Bolinas which was on the property of Nashama Franklin. The same property was embezzled afterwards from Ms. Franklin by the same crowd that embezzled the Reynolds funding.

Also in Bolinas, U.S. Coast Guard Communication Station NMC worked with me on certain problems they were having and their reutilization of the RCA site. This enviro-group went to NMC and warned them of the consequences of doing business with Eric Dollard. Today NMC cannot even be heard in Half Moon Bay 50 miles away, if they are on the air at all. (Who needs Bin Laden?) Who doesn’t like Tesla then? Is it the government? (no). Is it the environmentalists? (you got it) They call themselves Commonweal. Altman link

As far as inventing the log periodic: it was invented by Raymond H. Du Hammel, I believe, as an Air Force Project and the University of California Berkeley was where most of the work was done. Check patent number: 2,985,879, it is a fascinating design.

On the other hand, I did invent the Log Periodic Multiple Wave Oscillator based on the initial Lakhovsky patent. I got rid of all the bull and added a Golden Ratio Log Periodic antenna which was etched out of a double sided printed circuit board and then Gold plated which was widely sold and probably still is, for which I did and do not receive a dime. It seems to have some sort of radionic effect even with out power being applied.

Individuals in the guise of Borderland Sciences embezzled $50,000, money that R. Joshua Reynolds had provided me with to continue my research. At the “Last Supper” where Joshua invited everyone for dinner, (everyone that he had funded with millions of dollars that is) he cut off funding for Andrea Puharic et al (the Soviet Scalar Conspirators) and pronounced that I had done more on USDA food stamps than any one else that he had funded. Needless to say, I made no friends at the dinner table that night… The Voodoo was hideous…

Am I concerned about the CIA, the NSA or any other alphabet soup organizations’ supposed suppression or retribution?... No! Common swine that’s who I am concerned about. An example of this is a situation that I encountered in Montana. A group in Missoula (which was later found out to be a group of international criminals) showed up to “HELP ME” and in trade I would help them extract gold from spent tailings utilizing Tesla methodologies. They helped me alright, by entrapping me, assaulting me and stealing my classic Celica and threatened to kill me if I were to do anything about it. They strong armed their way into my Desert laboratory to steal all related equipment. The property owner of the desert lab died shortly thereafter, within weeks of Chris Carson’s death. Friends of yours Peter?

As is well known, I was the last engineer involved with getting the Integratron operational. My efforts were thwarted and ruined, not by the Men in Black, but rather by the Woman in White. Today the Integratron is a Goddess worship temple…

So in light of all the above, why should Eric Dollard involve himself in the useless or criminal behavior of others. There are those who wish to republish my earlier writings and to make this information freely available to everyone. Unfortunately, much of it has already gone to the dump. I have no interest in teaching anyone about Tesla except under the department of the Navy or the likes thereof. The door is shut!
http://www.energeticforum.com/90090-post71.html
It is Longitudinal Energy that runs a EU. That is my impression. Dollard is not a fan of Bearden and clearly if I have a choice, I choose to listen to Dollard. I am convinced that Dollard has a firm grasp on what Tesla was talking about and what he understood. I think that the other 99% of the planet do not have a clue.

See this thread to learn the difference b/t scalar and longitudinal.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=8&t=3364
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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by Jarvamundo » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:45 pm

I find Bearden always confuses the hell outa me with: "energy... well... itsss frooam yaaw taaiiime domaaain silly"

Not offence to the man, but i find him confusing. Dollard is precise, clear, and often has a glowing bulb in his hands with no wires, or on a function generator knob.

A dream would be to get Dollard to do an MIT lecture series like Lewin's.

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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by fzzzy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:39 pm

My intuition is that Dollard knows what he's talking about and Brown knows some stuff but is fudging the details. Brown really may think he really knows the details, but my intuition is that Dollard is closer to the truth.
Thermodynamics cannot give us free energy -- by definition thermodynamics causes the destruction of energy. It seems to me Tesla's magnifying transmitter operates using sound and pressure, and is merely primed with electricity.

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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by fzzzy » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:57 pm

Whoops, I meant Bearden, not Brown. :oops:
Thermodynamics cannot give us free energy -- by definition thermodynamics causes the destruction of energy. It seems to me Tesla's magnifying transmitter operates using sound and pressure, and is merely primed with electricity.

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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by Jarvamundo » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:36 pm

I agree there... my intuition says there are/have been a number of people riding on Dollard's back. In every video he's appeared in, everyone, including co-presenters, stand in awe and silence with every word.

In the end, no one 'owns' this information... we are discovering nature... the invention of the system of capitalism has placed the idea of ownership on this natural philosophy.... when you step back and look at it... it's bizarre. All confrontation, tension, misinformation has stemmed from this feature of the commercialization of the product...

(before the rants on 'whoever funds the work gets the benefits' start... yeah i get that... if one introduces that argument... the inverse applies... suppression... which brings us back to those features of the capitalist system... it's not a conspiracy... it's just a natural expected feature of the system)

All good... we are in it... just when you step back... it's a bizarre setup, if you want to encourage natural philosophy.

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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by junglelord » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:31 am

Jarvamundo wrote: Dollard is precise, and clear.
A dream would be to get Dollard to do an MIT lecture series like Lewin's.
Yes that would be the cat's meow...
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
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Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
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Re: How A Capacitor Really Works

Unread post by Anaconda » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:36 pm

junglelord,

That experiment is excellent and demonstrates not only the physical relationships, but also the power of experiment to trump theoretical musings...no matter how well structured in mathematical language.

Admittedly, I didn't know a lot of electrical principles before studying & researching Electric Universe ideas.

I can't say I knew how a capacitor worked and the TPOD article, Earth: A Self-repairing Capacitor, was seemingly enlightening. I say "seemingly" because the MIT experiment does contradict the common understanding of the physical relationships of a capacitor as expressed in the TPOD article.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/ ... acitor.htm

I find the debunking rational provided in an earlier comment to be a weak and unconvincing argument.

Rather, it seems old Benjamin Franklin understood the physical relationships better than today's physicists :P
...the electricity did not reside in the coating, as had been supposed, but in the pores of the glass itself. After a vial was charged he removed the coating, and found that upon applying a new coating the shock might still be received.
So, going back to the TPOD, Earth: A Self-repairing Capacitor, it would seem that the atmosphere stores electrical charge received from the ionosphere and possibly the surface in certain situations (volcanic eruptions) and then releases the electrical charge either to the surface or back into the ionosphere. Dielectrics (insulators) being capable of electrical charge storage has tremendous application to geological processes and dynamics.

But as the rest of the thread discusses, this experimental demonstration opens up all kinds of questions about electricity & magnetism's actual physical properties and how they interact and effect matter.

Nothing beats empirical experiment & demonstration :!:

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