By Nikola Tesla

Has science taken a wrong turn? If so, what corrections are needed? Chronicles of scientific misbehavior. The role of heretic-pioneers and forbidden questions in the sciences. Is peer review working? The perverse "consensus of leading scientists." Good public relations versus good science.

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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by Orlando » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:09 am

Wow, did you ever touch on some key things, in total agreement! :D

Words are like pictures too, I have a knack for relating to intent!

So you just said, "they exchange spin not energy"
Now repeat that and watch the video and Eric mentioned the same thing, namely that tesla realized through his experients that no energy was used!!!!

Thats huge, also that comment of the "one shot wonder"
big bang anyone?

That's why they came up with that garbage anyways, they could not know what tesla did, and some faction when to extreme lengths to cover this up, Tesla must have realized that Morgan was no doop, I mean in a world facing global recession Morgan/Chase just posted quadruple profits!!

But its funny how anyone with shares in these corps are disconnected from the reality that they support this.

That's why most people seperate myth from truth, they don't realize that those who share this knowledge have a great understanding of of human pyscology and hide it in symbolism in plain sight.

I mean a bunch of Egyptians holding a crooks tube before the guy was even born, shows that his-research that led to it was allready there, maybe when some people study these ancient texts and symbology they see it with the simplicity that it was created with.

A voltaic pile, a glass tube, a filament???
How can we even say for sure that some curious ' barbarian' didnt stumble across some glass balls after a plasma machining event with some platinum dust or a partially evacuated space and noticed it illuminate when he held it to the sunlight or a magnifying glass or some fluke event that may have transmitted high frequency voltage, and then pledged it to a priest or shaman in his village or study it himself.

But the evidence exists today that we were intentionally misled as to the real technolgy so as to make people intellectual slaves.

I have a feeling that Tesla and Co. prepared for what was to happen; "I saw the past, present and future"
A visionary that chose electrical experimentation and had keen insight into life itself as if it was his science, his religion, his life force.

This guy was all over the ball, not just on it.
Just Imagine being that pidgeon, how many secrets he revealed to it.

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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by junglelord » Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:07 pm

According to Eric Dollard
"ENERGY INTO MATTER
As the voltage or impedance is increased the emphasis is on the inward flux. If the impedance is high and rate of change is fast enough (perfect overtone series), it would seem possible the compression of the energy would transform it into matter and the reconversion of this matter into energy may or may not synchronize with the cycle of oscillation. This is what may be considered supercapacitance, that is, stable long term conversion into matter."
Sounds like the galactic center to me.
Supercapacitance is the cause of the creation of matter.
That is a perfect analogy to my dictim that Tensegrity makes matter.
Capacitance is electric tension...I stand supported by both Fuller and Tesla and EU observations.
Yes immense electric tensional pressures form matter at the galactic core via electrostatic charge compression and release, impulses.

Tesla was the high frequency and high voltage man.
Electrostatic Impulses were his domain as well as the Oscillations of the Magnetic-Dieletric Scalar Field.

The non-linear plasma medium at the galactic center is under immense electrostatic pressure and reveals a rapid electrostatic impulse cycle that creates a magnetic-dielectric standing wave harmonically linked to the stars for their power as well as the creation of matter from this event within the region of galactic center plasmoid.

The stars and the galactic center are harmonically linked via phase conjugation and both exhibt four wave mixing functions, characteristic of all Phase Conjugation Devices.
MISCONCEPTIONS OF PRESENT THEORY OF CAPACITANCE
The misconception that capacitance is the result of accumulating electrons has seriously distorted our view of dielectric phenomena. Also the theory of the velocity of light as a limit of energy flow, while adequate for magnetic force and material velocity, limits our ability to visualize or understand certain possibilities in electric phenomena. The true workings of free space capacitance can be best illustrated by the following example. It has been previously stated that dielectric lines of force must terminate on conductors. No line of force can end in space. If we take any conductor and remove it to the most remote portion of the universe, no lines of force can extend from this electrode to other conductors. It can have no free space capacity, regardless of the size of the electrode, therefore it can store no energy. This indicates that the free space capacitance of an object is the sum mutual capacity of it to all the conducting objects of the universe.

FREE SPACE INDUCTANCE IS INFINITE
Steinmetz in his book on the general or unified behavior of electricity The Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillation, points out that the inductance of any unit length of an isolated filamentary conductor must be infinite. Because no image currents exist to contain the magnetic field it can grow to infinite size. This large quantity of energy cannot be quickly retrieved due to the finite velocity of propagation of the magnetic field. This gives a non reactive or energy component to the inductance which is called electromagnetic radiation.

WORK OF TESLA, STEINMETZ AND FARDAY
In the aforementioned books of Steinmetz he develops some rather unique equations for capacity. Tesla devoted an enormous portion of his efforts to dielectric phenomena and made numerous remarkable discoveries in this area. Much of this work is yet to be fully uncovered. It is my contention that the phenomena of dielectricity is wide open for profound discovery. It is ironic that we have abandoned the lines of force concept associated with a phenomena measure in the units called farads after Farady, whose insight into forces and fields has led to the possibility of visualization of the electrical phenomena.


QUESTION AS TO THE VELOCITY OF DIELECTRIC FLUX
It has been stated that all magnetic lines of force must be closed upon themselves, and that all dielectric lines of force must terminate upon a conducting surface. It can be inferred from these two basic laws that no line of force can terminate in free space. This created an interesting question as to the state of dielectric flux lines before the field has had time to propagate to the neutral conductor. During this time it would seem that the lines of force, not having reached the distant neutral conductor would end in space at their advancing wave front. It could be concluded that either the lines of force propagate instantly or always exists and are modified or conjugate space exists within the same boundaries as ordinary space. The properties of lines of force within this conjugate space may not obey the laws of normally conceived space.

IMPORTANT REFERENCE MATERIAL

1. Electricity and Matter, J. J. Thompson, New York, l906, Scribner's Sons, and l904, Yale University.

2. Elementary Lecture on Electric Discharges, Waves, and Impulses and other Transients, C. P. Steinmetz, second edition, 1914, McGraw-Hill.

3. Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations, C. P. Steinmetz, third edition, l920, McGraw-Hill. Section III Transients in Space, Chapter VIII, Velocity of Propagation of Electric Field.

http://www.borderlands.com/dollardandtesla.htm
In light of the fact that the Dielectric Field is an unexplored territory and ovbiously the knowledge required to intelligently explain observations in an EU, I give you again the books I am reading at present.

Here are three of the books recommended by Dollard.
They are by a man named Charles Proteus Steinmetz, who was hired by Edison to learn all the Tesla patents and then that way they could over come them with slight alterations like Marconi did by changing the inductance and the antenna. Its a subject I remember well, transient phenomenon. Capacitance and Inductance and the impulse and transient phenomenon associated with them, especially in high frequency and high voltages are explored with sudden loss of input and then quick and massive recharge and discharge, over and over, which is what Tesla was working on.

Theory and Calculation of Alternating Current Phenomenon
http://www.archive.org/stream/theorycal ... 5/mode/2up
Published 1900

Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomenon and Oscillations
http://www.archive.org/stream/theoryandcalcul11steigoog
Published in 1920

Electric Waves, Discharges, Impulses
http://www.archive.org/stream/elementar ... 4/mode/2up
Published in 1911,

In them you can learn all the electrical engineering equations for Z Pinch effects.
How cool is that? Along with the knowledge from Tom Bearden and Eric Dollard of the scalar field.
The Magnetic-Dielectric Field, which is the Aether....quantum spin of 2

I am also making notes from Dollards Notes
http://www.scribd.com/doc/73155/Eric-Do ... s-19861991
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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by junglelord » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:31 pm

Want to see how a capacitor really works?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg
MIT Physics Demo -- Dissectible Capacitor

You can read my comment posted at the video on Dielectric Field Tension.
;)
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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by junglelord » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:22 pm

On Dielectric Field effects and the ability to excite them via very short and rapid impulses of electrostatic and em waves creating a 2nd order harmonic of longitudinal wave energy, the magnetic-dielectric scalar.

Also the problems of having the knowledge of the universe at your fingertips and the industrial military complex intervention of your life...Tesla had many people that made his life very difficult.

What a terrible way to treat such a humanitarian. He wanted us to live for free.
That was never going to be "bought" by the establishment as you probably know, or will see in this quote.
Tesla's "Black Box"


The following recital on Tesla's work with Radiant Energy is an excerpt from the book, Secrets of Cold War Technology by Gerry Vassilatos, pages 86-93.

The "fountain effects" which surrounded his station are not responsible for the ever-growing power observed by Tesla. This was the result of an incoming aetheric supply for which his Transmitter gave low-resistance passage. The incoming aetheric flow preferred the transmitter terminal to adjacent, more resistant rock. This gradual flow process soon evidenced itself in magnification effects, ever increasing volumes of flowing aether being measured in his system. Some have argued that Tesla merely stored energy in the earth, extracting it for use later. This is a basic error, the result of imagining the Colorado Springs experiment to be one consisting entirely of electrical effects (Grotz). It is in this light alone that we may comprehend the evident anomalous magnification of aetheric phenomena in his Colorado Springs photographs.

Once aetheric energy had been obtained from space, it had to be conveyed to consumers. Tesla had arranged for the automatic activation of aether-rebroadcast circuits in the station. The down pouring aether was automatically shunted to side circuits through capacitors. In these side branches, aether pulsed through dielectrics and expanded over the surfaces of his smaller coils. Thus stimulated to more rapid pulsation rates, they were ready for "rebroadcast". Being rebroadcast away from the station through large vacuum globes, poised on elevated platforms, these were the aetheric pulsations, which would be utilized in home and industry. Simple and compact receivers would be established in every home and factory, set to receive aetheric current through the ground. Tests were thrilling. The distant appliances, lamps and motors responded to the powerful pulsations, as if they were physically connected to the station by wire. A small house-like structure was established some 26 miles away from the station. In it, an aetheric power receiver was tuned to one of the rebroadcast rates. The 200 lamps housed within this structure, each of 50 watts rating, all remained brilliantly illuminated throughout the test runs. This apparently stimulated enough excitement and concern for word of this development to get back east.

Engineers were enraged. Those who had missed his most early shift from alternations to impulses, failed to comprehend the vast distinction between "stationary waves" and " standing waves". The quizzical use of specific terms such as these was a Tesla trademark, one designed to puzzle the minds of those who criticized him the most. With the exception of a very few colleagues who continually made related discoveries in aether physics, most academes had chosen to remain totally ignorant of the new study area. This for example was the case with the Teslian use of the term "frequency" and of "resonance" words which had completely different meanings for Tesla. Teslian "frequency" refers to the repetition of pulses per second. Teslian "resonance" refers to conditions in which aether flows with little or no resistance through systems, whether proximal or widely separated.

Photographs, which Tesla sent to his "financiers", were analyzed and reexamined repeatedly for their encrypted meaning. None could decipher the cunning puzzle which Tesla had set before them. Tesla stated that photographs of the aetheric white fire streamers required several minutes' exposure time before registering the faintest sort of impression. Most of the plates were therefore the results of more than 20 minutes' exposure time. There are a very few plates which, though stated to be the result of "one brief switch closure", are covered with dense, thick white streamers. One fraction of a second closure on the system switch resulted in a twenty-minute or more aether avalanche. Magnifying Transformers continued discharging long after the initial impulse had been withdrawn.

AETHER POWER RECEIVERS

Tesla returned to New York exultant. He was about to establish a new world precedent. Venture capitalists were everywhere, looking for their opportunity to enter the "new energy" market. Unknown to Tesla, his station, its tower, the large coils, the capacitors, and all the other marvelous apparatus, which demonstrated free aetheric power to the world, had been acquired for demolition. Tesla simply went forward, securing new funds from Morgan and others toward the development of a fully functional industry sized station in Long Island. Wardenclyffe Station. Wardenclyffe would be his greatest achievement. Here he would broadcast power to the world, along with a communications network, which could span the globe with innumerable available channels. Aether wave communications. Several stations would augment the power of this first station, from which he proposed to rebroadcast 10,000horsepower. The Station, a wonderful visionary structure, which dominated the view of Shoreham, Long Island, was not quite complete before it too was seized by court injunctions and torn down.

Tesla was summoned to appear in court. Mr. Leland Anderson who has since published a wonderful treatise with this transcript as the centerpiece has secured the amazing transcript of this proceeding. Tesla said he wept when he saw the ruined tower at Wardenclyffe. The train ride back from Shoreham was filled with tears and the recounting of every tragedy, which marked his life. But the dreams did not die there. In the absence of financial means to construct his gigantic stations, Tesla found ways to build small systems, which accomplished the very same objectives. Replacing the large overhead capacity terminal with material substitutes, radioactive metals in combination with other dense elements, Tesla was able to accrete and focus aether pulsations of super short duration.

Tesla was then plunged into a hellish time, where all but one would neither help nor hear him. Dr. John Hammond requested Tesla to be the permanent guest on his family estate. There, amid the family life of Hammond Castle, Tesla shared his dreams and technology. Together, he and Dr. Hammond developed the science of robots and remote guidance. Tesla, impoverished by the inhuman treatment wrought on him by the financial establishment, was nonetheless quite alive and valuable to those having singular ambition to dominate the world radio trade. For a very long time, Nikola Tesla was considered "out of circulation."

But later years turned a kindlier edge toward him. Long after his principle foe had died, other sought him out. Employed by the Rockefellers in their RCA venture, Tesla was given the task of restructuring the now failing Marconi System. David Sarnoff did not permit Tesla the dignity of working under his own name! Nevertheless it was Tesla, not Sarnoff, who redesigned the insufficient RCA radio systems to sufficiently turn a profit for the owners. It is significant that Tesla was not allowed to change the basic design from wave radio to radiant communications. What he achieved required certain strange conversions within the wave radio circuitry, intensifying radiant signals until the operation was much improved, and then converting the amplified signals back to waves once again. All of this was achieved within the chassis, certain of which are now being studied. These Tesla experimental models are typical of the Tesla style, containing no resistors or other such components. These models use simple transmitter tubes and employ a great number of symmetrically disposed conical air coils.

While working for RCA under the name "Terbo", his mother's maiden name, Tesla maintained his two penthouse suites atop the Hotel New Yorker. One penthouse was his living quarters, the other a full-scale research laboratory. Tesla designed and built small compact and portable aether energy receivers, a developmental path, which he pursued to his passing. Tesla had long investigated the use of pure dielectric field energy, a stream of aether whose individual pulsations were so very ultra short that science had never found a means to harness the energy impulses. Tesla later held the opinion that dielectric current was composed of radiant particles, aetheric in nature. He therefore sought natural sources in which native dielectric fields could be used as they were, without the need for mammoth voltage "shocks" to stigmata aetheric currents. Tesla knew that if dielectric aether streams could be directly engaged, a true world of the future would be in his grasp. Furthermore, the mass-production of thousands and ten thousands of such power receiver would be an unstoppable army. An army of miniatures, which could never be torn down.

The implications were fathomless. Tesla had found a truly new and wonderful approach to an old problem. Once because his technology had not yet grown to the level where this was possible, he had to settle for impressing the naturally prolific aether streams with "extra" pulsations. The Transmitter method was costly, gargantuan, and an easy target for those who hated the notion of a future world where dreams rule humanity. Dielectric energy fascinated Tesla. It was everywhere, a natural emanation whose potentials far out proportioned conventional notions of power. Indeed, the early conception of natural radioactivity as an energetic source was nothing in comparison to the potential power inherent in dielectric streams. The new technology would use ultra-short pulsing aether streams, energies that occupied most of his latter press conferences in latter years. Study had convinced Tesla that the apparently smooth and native force characteristic of dielectric field energy was actually a particulate flux, a succession of ultra-short impulses. The derivation of such an impulse train would solve all energy needs for eternity with an elegance far out-reaching his own.

Magnifier Transmitter

Of a truth, dielectric energy was native source of incredible proportion and virtually eternal duration. Able to use such a kinetic source, one could dispense entirely with the Power Transmitters necessary in stimulating and impressing "extra pulsations" on the aether flow. Tesla often defined the dielectric field as a natural flow of aether particles, one that seemed impossible to utilize through lack of appropriate resistive materials. In order to obtain momentum from the flowing particles of a dielectric field, one required special matter poised in equally special symmetries. The otherwise continuous flow could be absorbed directly, being exchanged to utilities, appliances, and other applications.

Tesla had already considered the condition of charged particles, each representing a tightly constricted whorl of aether. The force necessarily exerted at close distances by such aetheric constrictions was incalculably large. Aetheric ponderance maintained particulate stability. Crystalline lattices were therefore places within which one could expect to find unexpected voltages. Indeed, the high voltages inherent in certain metallic lattices, intra-atomic field energies, are enormous. The close Coulomb gradient between atomic centers are electrostatic potentials reaching humanly unattainable levels. By comparison, the voltages, which Tesla once succeeded in releasing, were quite insignificant. In these balanced lattices, Tesla sought the voltages needed to initiate directed aetheric streams in matter. Once such a flow began, one could simply tap the stream for power. In certain materials, these aether streams might automatically produce the contaminating electrons, a source of energy for existing appliances. One could theoretically then "tailor" the materials needed to produce unexpected aetheric power with or without the attendant detrital particles. Tesla did mention the latent aetheric power of charge forces, the explosive potentials of bound aether, and the aetheric Power inherent in matter. In these studies, Tesla sought replacement for the 100,000,000 volt initiating pulses which natural law required for the implementation of space aether. Tesla had long been forced to abandon those gigantic means by other, less natural laws.

Thereafter, Tesla shifted his attentions from the appreciation of the gigantic to an appreciation of the miniature. He sought a means for proliferating an immense number of small and compact aether power receivers. With one such device, Tesla succeeded in obtaining power to drive an electric car. But for the exceptional account, which follows, we would have little information on this last period in Tesla's productive life, one that very apparently did not cease its prolific streams of creativity to his last breath. The information comes through an unlikely source, one rarely mentioned by Tesla biographers. It chanced that an aeronautical engineer, Derek Ahlers, met with one of Tesla's nephews then living in New York. Theirs was an acquaintance lasting some 10years, consisting largely of anecdotal commentaries on Dr. Tesla. Mr.Savo provided an enormous fund of knowledge concerning many episodes in Tesla's last years.

The Black Box

Himself an Austrian military man and a trained aviator, Mr. Savo was extremely opened about certain long-cherished incidents in which his uncle's genius was consistently made manifest. Mr. Savo reported that in 1931, he participated in an experiment involving aetheric power. Unexpectedly, almost inappropriately, he was asked to accompany his uncle on a long train ride to Buffalo. A few times in this journey, Mr. Savo asked the nature of their journey. Dr. Tesla remained unwilling to disclose any information, speaking rather directly to this issue. Taken into a small garage, Dr. Tesla walked directly to a Pierce Arrow, opened the hood and began making a few adjustments. In place of the engine, there was an AC motor. This measured a little more than 3 feet long, and a little more than 2 feet in diameter. From it trailed two very thick cables, which connected with the dashboard. In addition, there was an ordinary 12-volt storage battery. The motor was rated at 80horsepower. Maximum rotor speed was stated to be 30 turns per second. A 6-foot antenna rod was fitted into the rear section of the car.

Dr. Tesla stepped into the passenger side and began making adjustments on a "power receiver" which had been built directly into the dashboard. The receiver, no larger than a short-wave radio of the day, used 12 special tubes, which Dr. Tesla brought with him in a box-like case. Mr. Savo told Mr. Ahler that Dr. Tesla built the receiver in his hotel room, a device 2 feet in length, nearly 1 foot wide, and 1/2 foot high. These curiously constructed tubes having been properly installed in their sockets, Dr. Tesla pushed in 2 contact rods and informed Mr. Savo that power was now available to drive. Several additional meters read values, which Dr. Tesla would not explain. No sound was heard. Dr. Tesla handed Mr. Savo the ignition key and told him to start the engine, which he promptly did. Yet hearing nothing, the accelerator was applied, and the car instantly moved. Tesla's nephew drove this vehicle without other fuel for an undetermined long interval. Mr. Savo drove a distance of 50 miles through the city and out to the surrounding countryside. The car was tested to speeds of 90 mph, with the speedometer rated to 120.

After a time, and with increasing distance from the city itself, Dr. Tesla felt free enough to speak. Having now become sufficiently impressed with the performance of both his device and the automobile. Dr. Tesla informed his nephew that the device could not only supply the needs of the car forever, but could also supply the needs of a household "with power to spare". When originally asked how the device worked, Tesla was initially adamant and refused to speak. Many who have read this "apocryphal account" have stated it to be the result of an "energy broadcast". This misinterpretation has simply caused further confusions concerning this stage of Tesla's work. He had very obviously succeeded in performing, with this small and compact device, what he had learned in Colorado and Shoreham.

As soon as they were on the country roads, clear of the more congested areas, Tesla began to lecture on the subject. Of the motive source he referred to "a mysterious radiation, which comes out of the aether". The small device very obviously and effectively appropriated this energy. Tesla also spoke very glowingly of this providence, saying of the energy itself that "it is available in limitless quantities". Dr. Tesla stated that although "he did no know where it came from, mankind should be very grateful for its presence". The two remained in Buffalo for 8 days, rigorously testing the car in the city and countryside. Dr. Tesla also told Mr. Savo that the device would soon be used to drive boats, planes, trains, and other automobiles. Once, just before leaving the city limits, they stopped at a streetlight and a bystander joyfully commented concerning their lack of exhaust fumes. Mr. Savo spoke up whimsically, saying that they had "no engine". They left Buffalo and traveled to a predetermined location, which Dr. Tesla knew, an old farmhouse barn some 20 miles from Buffalo. Dr. Tesla and Mr. Savo left the car in this barn, took the 12 tubes and the ignition key, and departed.

Later on, Mr. Savo heard a rumor that a secretary had spoken candidly about both the receiver and the test run, being promptly fired for the security breach. About a month after the incident, Mr. Savo received a call from a man who identified himself as Lee De Forest, who asked how he enjoyed the car. Mr. Savo expressed his joy over the mysterious affair, and Mr. DeForest declared Tesla the greatest living scientist in the world. Later, Mr. Savo asked his uncle whether or not the power receiver was being used in other applications. He was informed that Dr. Tesla had been negotiating with a major shipbuilding company to build a boat with a similarly outfitted engine. Asked additional questions, Dr. Tesla became annoyed. Highly concerned and personally strained over the security of this design, it seems obvious that Tesla was performing these tests in a desperate degree of secrecy for good reasons. Tesla had already been the victim of several manipulations, deadly actions entirely sourced in a single financial house. For this reason, secrecy and care had become his only recent excess.

http://www.frank.germano.com/blackbox.htm
I found it interesting that Rockerfeller hired Tesla to fix RCA wireless problems.
I did not know that....how very interesting.
:?

Since I have new thread on the history of wireless transmission, this will fill in some knowledge, I had not known of till today. How very important as well. The hidden work of Tesla for RCA. Way to go Rockerfeller.
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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by GaryN » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:25 pm

This is good to see:
Decades after he died penniless, Nikola Tesla is elbowing aside his old adversary Thomas Edison in the pantheon of geek gods.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 18942.html

What I would like to see is a resurgence of interest in Buckminster Fuller too. Understanding both Tesla and Fuller would give us a good grounding into the physical nature of reality.
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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by Orlando » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:25 pm

Yes its nice to raise Awareness of Tesla's Achievements!

But in this article they associate him with mad scientists and
Conspiracy theories about his real life's work then associate that with him being penniless
with no friends.

On the uppside they may have shown Edisons true nature.

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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by Corpuscles » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:54 pm

Orlando

Pls look to the bright +ve side! ;)

Finally powerful individuals and organisations are respecting (& adopting) the name and legacy of this super human.

One never tires of re-reading stuff about this man who has been "kept hidden in the dark" for nearly a century, but frustration that his full notes and therefore clear explainations of his somewhat cryptic comments and terminology have been supressed.

The world desperately needs what Tesla knew ...NOW! but are we (society ) yet civilized and structured well enough to cope with it?

JL

I understand why I have had a holiday fro the forum! :D Your prolific contribution here and in other threads have at a first return visit induced addiction & consumed enormous "spare" time but THANKYOU! It is ... rivettingly interesting ...as always

I am always challenged by Tesla's comments re electrons. In some attributed quotes he seems to deny their very existance, yet in others openly refers to them??? I suspect that the FBI aquired notes contain the rudients of his unified TOE?

Sorry I cannot contribute any more than just with praise and thanks

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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by GaryN » Fri May 07, 2010 12:03 pm

Just an interesting Tesla based development, a wind-power turbine based on Teslas steam powered turbine, utilising the boundary layer effect. It eliminates many of the drawbacks of the 'big propeller' generators. Be interesting to see if it will scale to megawatt output.

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http://www.physorg.com/news192426996.html
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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by jjohnson » Mon May 17, 2010 10:08 pm

Don't be fooled by the press release. It is not bladeless. Those teardrop-shaped things poking through the staks of metal ARE the blades. In air conditioning systems, large centrifugal fans (driven by electric motors and belt drives via pulleys or sheaves) are used to force air out at increased pressure and velocity for distribution in a building's distribution ducts. They look just like these, only the blades are of larger chord and there are usually fewer of them, and they operate without the weight of all those intermediate disks. I find it hard to imagine that, operating in reverse, this design could capture very much power from incident wind power and use it to drive a generator.
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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by solrey » Mon May 17, 2010 11:31 pm

Jim, since you're a pilot I invite you to follow this A&P down the rabbit hole. ;)

It might appear to be similar to a squirrel cage fan but look closer and read the patent application. It's an updated Tesla turbine. Those "teardrop shaped things" are airfoils. They're not poking through the stack, they're set in like spacers. So think like a pilot for a minute. Those airfoils are at a specific angle of attack and their width combined with the thin intermediate disks essentially act like efficient wings with winglets on the tips to mostly eliminate turbulence. The intake also gets more narrow, increasing the velocity of the airmass as it passes through the outside of the disc assembly and over the airfoils to exit down the middle. More velocity, more lift. The design of the Tesla turbine significantly reduces turbulence which all but eliminates drag/resistance resulting in less wind energy being wasted thereby increasing efficiency and available torque. The inventors of the updated Tesla turbine say the key improvements are airfoil design and materials that are light and strong enough to make the intermediate discs as thin as they need to be. I think field trials will be successful.

As an example of the effect reducing turbulence has, I noticeably increased the efficiency, and the airflow, of our solar powered attic fan by narrowing the gap between the ends of the fan blades and the shroud with some weather stripping. Simple yet very effective.
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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by jjohnson » Tue May 18, 2010 12:02 pm

Hi, Solrey,

You are right, of course; those are airfoils. I just called them "blades" because (1) in fan terminology the vane-thingies are called blades, as in fan blades, and also (2) in aircraft terminology the propellers are also termed blades, as are the rotors and stators in turbine engines, steam and jet fuel varieties,and they have airfoil sections .(twists and foil sections very carefully worked out and tested by the Wright brothers in their home-made lab, I might add!)

Centrifugal fan blades can be straight radial fins sticking out from a hub or welded to the circular tip plates (horribly noisy and inefficient but useful in industrial processes where blowing stringy materials in an airstream may be required), to curved sheet metal shapes which are very simple airfoils or airfoil approximations, to real airfoils. The latter are clearly what are depicted in the Tesla turbine. I think, to align our terminology, that "squirrel cage" and "centrifugal" fans are essentially the same thing, and "turbine fans" are the same as "axial" fans, or their variants, tube-axial and vane-axial), but I am digressing here, as usual.

I think my point was that it does not appear to me to be more efficient an invention for gathering the power of the wind. All those plates acting as tip plates for each short span of the airfoil, besides costly to fabricate, increase the wetted area so skin drag is increased to a degree that I think offsets the improvement in tip loss.

The larger the aspect ratio of an airfoil, I think I learned from my flying model childhood, the more efficient it is. Adding tip plates is similar to extending the span in a way as the turbulence drag, where the high pressure air under the wing tries to come out under the edge and join the nearby low pressure, creates those tip vortices. But when the chord is much greater than the span, as in a Tesla turbine, I think you're way past the point of efficiency improvement and deep into the "diminished returns" regime. Of course, I've never laid eyes on one of these,and it might really be able to take a light breeze and use it to crank a generator and make a lot of power. I'm open-minded on it, but really skeptical!

Another drag on its efficiency: the invention has the airfoils oriented more or less correctly, trailing edge "down" toward the center of rotation, which is opposite that of a fan, which draws the air in from the center and directs it out through the opening. But in this design the air comes in the intake opening and across the airfoils, where it is accelerated radially down and in, and then it has to turn axially to be vented from the center, creating an axial exhaust. All that air makes a right turn past the inner edges of all those stacked "tip" plates, and it also has to flow past the gaps in the 3-pointed stack of internal plates, too, exceedingly rough and turbulent territory.

What if all the intermediate plates were eliminated, and the ends of the airfoils were brazed to the top and bottom plates only. The aspect ratio, span to chord, would be greater, and the tip loss is still contained so spanwise airflow losses are minimized. As this would be a fairly low speed airfoil, some NASA or NACA research on low speed foils with good stalling characteristics might help up the efficiency, as well as designing an optimum angle of attack for the expected range of inlet velocities. A smooth steel axle down the center would be aerodynamically a lot nicer than a stack of drag fins!

It seems that if you created a wide bellmouth intake that had a slow, smooth cross sectional reduction into the intake of the turbine you could accelerate the wind velocity via Bernoulli's principle and get more power out of the airflow (kind of like increasing charge density of the drift current at the heliosheath by continually decreasing the effective surface area as distance to the Sun decreases, to kinda pseudo-keep this in an EU context). The outside of the nacelle enclosing the turbine would follow a different exterior contour, streamlined to minimize external wind drag, but that's certainly an optional expense, as external drag is irrelevant unless you are worried about downstream effects like back pressure fluctuations at the exhaust port or interference with other nearby turbines.

So, down the rabbit-hole and back out! Where are we, Alice?? :D

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Re: By Nikola Tesla

Post by jjohnson » Tue May 18, 2010 12:12 pm

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PS - there are other variations on wind turbines, too. Here's a pleasing looking one from Aerotecture, based on a design originally worked up by Buckminster Fuller, I think. Credit to Aerotecture at http://www.aerotecture.com

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