Bin-Ra wrote: Sithri wrote:
Bin-Ra wrote:Communication failure.
If I gather the sum-total of what you're saying, it is that there is a sort of 'schizophrenia' (literally defined as 'split mind') that occurs with oneness being the remedy. Love itself, while participating in a unity, is opposite to hatred or power, which is a schism of self, which is held together by defense mechanisms and pride and lack of existential qualities that are innate. For you, reality is already 'one' underlying all of all, and to grasp it is the key. You say that questioning is to break these power barriers of identification with the outer as a sense of self. But what is answering is as questioning in the viewpoint of the one, as it is aimless, formless, and striving-less and to attain it is to become what already is. Am I correct on all of these points?
Call it mankind in amnesia, split mind, mind control, or anything that serves you - but until you notice it, the terms means nothing - and so any such term will be assigned some made up supposition from what you already learned - ie schizophrenia - which does not hold the same meaning.
I don't literally mean schizophrenia, only the original meaning of the etymology of the term as 'split mind'. I have certainly noticed a certain kind of defensive behavior as to knowledge and paradigms.
Love is itself and isn't so much a remedy brought TO a split mind as the nature or condition in which fear is undone. Fear splits the mind of conflicted purpose, and thus of conflicting realities under a narrative seeking continuity or survival IN ITS TERMS.
I would say Love is its own power that is a way of attaining enlightenment along with other positive emotions such as Shared-Joy, Serenity, and Contentedness. Also, fear can help as well as harm, as it can protect from evil and give a motive to live, to find meaning in chaos, as well as the negatives of 'splitting' the mind against itself and 'controlling' it.
Bin-Ra wrote:This is reflected in the saying 'perfect love casts our fear'. This could also be said as unadulterated love is one without a second. Clearly 'trying to love' or seeking for love is rooted in a communication breakdown. Love extends of itself as the nature of creation - and only an attempt to DO this as a private agenda can get in the way - and so the remedy is to GET OUT OF THE WAY. Science has of course uncovered facets of this because a love of truth is the basis for the uncovering or the truth of love - but not in terms of emotional manipulations, masking and fantasy gratification. So 'love' is less often used - but is in this sense no different from Self, God, Reality - or any other symbolic reference to our Source and Nature.
I distinguish love by its two forms: friendly and unfriendly. Unfriendly love causes jealousy, comes from a communication breakdown, emotional manipulations, masking, and fantasy gratification, all predicated upon 'ownership' and 'domination' as well as fear of loss and other things. Friendly love comes from a mutual appreciation without 'ownership' and can put up boundaries that block certain ways of toxic relationships with a gratification of one another that has no true aim or focus but to benefit one another in a rapport. True love is not a whole and part, but rather a whole meeting a whole. They say “God is love.” For man, for all intents and purposes “Love is God.” Why should we subordinate love to a God instead of loving for love’s sake? Love is a whole and not a whole-from-part or even a part-from-whole because regardless of its meaning, self and other are the focus of love, just as the self is made of a whole, and the other, when considered a part, loses that love. The self and the other are both wholes, and the whole is needed as it gives both their meaning. This is also why the virtue of Temperance does not result in love, but rather beauty. When one has love, one cannot say, I give this much love to you; this wouldn't make any sense in that love is something that is desired over and over again; it is its own justification.
Bin-Ra wrote:So yes, because we have a 'mind' or are of Mind - we can create symbolic references, imaged models and conceptual frameworks - but none of those are separation from 'What Is' - and insofar as they operate as a virtual world through which to experience, they are in the mind that made them and not in space and time. Evidently, the personal adaptation to such a model or world is not the maker of the script - and yet beneath the adaptations are beliefs and definitions acquired or inherited, that are lived from without any awareness or question - as IF self evident. But they are learned and maintained and protected against exposure in the same way psychological defences protect hidden fears or past trauma - often without hardly any consciousness - BECAUSE they have been displaced and dissociated from.
So are you saying that the phenomena of mind themselves in first-person experience that are common to nearly all human minds are not self-evident? For instance, imagination, or thought?
So unless there is a readiness to revisit such 'inner terrain' the mind protects against knowing by looking anywhere else. This self-evasion isn't only a mapping out of consciousness or unconsciousness, but an active suppression and undermining of the restoring of consciousness or healing. This is not perceived as healing but as threat. And so the basic idea of a model defended against truth. A split mind engaged in its OWN symbolic replacements for relationship - acted out as if true.
I agree, it takes a holism of mind to search the mind, but then again, anyone can come to the same conclusions I have had about my mind, as it is shared by many minds in humans. I even wonder if it extends to the plant world as well.
When love is blocked in its expression and therefor in our awareness - this effects the separation, conflict and struggle of the 'human conditioning'. But insofar as willingness allows life to move through us - we experience everything from a different perspective - but without consciousness or vigilance against identifying in the mind of conflict, its interjection generally cancels any such opening - even as it begins to open, or redefines after the event to reinstate narrative continuity or 'normal service'. Because the sense of control is the core aspect of the 'thinking self', any sense of losing control triggers fear - be that love, beauty, truth, joy or peace - the ego-sense interjects some sense of possession or control as default - until more responsibility for noticing grows.
I would say that love, beauty, truth, joy, and peace are enlightening in themselves and the ego naturally responds favorably to these emotions unless conditioned otherwise. For instance, what once brought joy may bring dullness and boredom. What once brought hatred may next bring joy. It also depends upon the networks of thoughts and emotions and the bodymind that encapsulates these emotions and thoughts that evoke themselves in certain conditions or happenstance or with deliberate evocation.
I don't see any point in trying to speak of what love is and shares excepting to say that there are no limits but those we accept as part of the themes of our exploration. the exploring of a sense of separateness from our being and subjection to an alien will is the result of accepting or invoking an alien will from a sense of lack, chaos and conflict seeking order or limit to pain and loss.
How can we seek order in chaos? Unless we are accepting the self-evident as alien, and not vice-versa, we are on a true path to understanding.
Bin-Ra wrote:The Nature of Creation is expressed well in these archaic terms; "Behold I make all things new" and Behold this is my Son whom is my delight". The former pertains not just to the opening of a New Epoch, but to the very nature of this and every instant. True desire or will, is the always unfolding of such recognition through the freedom of exploring, knowing, feeling being - along the line of your joy - just as you are created of and for joy.
Where is the bridge from Always to our current predicament? Is it not in the willingness to recognize truth here in this moment, situation, relationship, or endeavour? If you know your joy and are free to follow it, you have no sense of struggle or striving in following its fulfilment - but if you carry all kinds of reasons or beliefs as to why you cannot have it then you will manifest these or attract them into your life and experience challenge. If you truly want something, you meet its conditions. Truth makes no conditions if it is The Obvious - but a mind of its own conditioning will set all kind of conditions in ways that then seem to happen to it or be imposed.
What exactly would be the truth in the 'here and now, this situation, relationship, and endeavor'' except for what they all have in common which is self-knowledge? It appears that this is one of your main endeavors because you speak of the ego as controlling what it can and bringing order and the shadow being known as a process of healing, etc.
Some of these are easy to become aware of because we can begin to notice our 'patterns' and habits just by paying attention while events unfold.
Exactly! Mindfulness is a great thing!
Bin-Ra wrote:The principle block that sets fear into denial rather than brings it to healing is guilt, blame and shame.
"Why risk the truth if it brings you rejection, vilification, persecution or penalty? Better the devil you know".
Truth and fear or indeed truth and conflict or war are mutually exclusive. Because the moment conflict is identified is the moment 'truth' becomes war's first casualty. And the mind then runs of a narrative in service of protecting against the feared - and in so doing protects the fear. This is becoming Obvious in political matters - where 'war on Fear' is actually operating fear and limitation via a false sense of security. But if it cant keep fear out of mind, it can no longer serve the function assigned it - and we have to find another way than denial and attack of anything 'different' to our sense of possession and control. Ie: some willingness to change. I see this growing in a few - but those with the most investment are most defended against change - in any field of identity and endeavour.
If I gave the sense of futility to always already being then that is a reversal. persisting in what cannot ever truly work is futile and meaningless - regardless the seemingly robotic willingness to persist over and over and over again as if this time will be different. As if this time the obstacles, evils, or adversities can be defeated, got rid of, annihilated, excommunicated - and a new world reached...
Sometimes the truth can be painful even if it is true. That is where I disagree with you on how the truth is opposed to conflict or war. Love is opposed to conflict and war, not truth. Truth brings conflict and war by its very nature: it is the light in darkness, and darkness is ever-conquered and truth ever-victorious, even if it takes time to reach the furthest distances we see.
Jung advocated embracing our shadow. But unless we recognize it is our shadow, we persist in attacking it here, there and in everyone.
I disagree with jung here. Bringing up past traumas doesn't always heal, and can hurt more than heal. For instance, try not to think of the word 'car'. I bet you will end up thinking of it simply by that fact of trying not to think of it. Our mental processes are problem-solving tinkerers, appreciators of goodness and evil, not healing eternal divine beings like angels that may manifest in our lives at some time or another in some form or another.
Bin-Ra wrote:What is formless is not at all intangible. Our lack of receptivity is a form blindness - in which form-assigned meanings operate as if reality - without any intimacy of relation to feel and know the truth or this moment. Fear is the collaps into the fight and flight reflex. Everything else gets shut down. The trigger is persisting long past that trauma in that fear is become the guide and upholder of 'order'. And love does not really exist - cant be trusted, is some sort of trick or treachery and makes you weak and stupid.
I think you psychologize a bit too much. Like I said, fear can help or hurt. Hatred can help or hurt. Pride can help or hurt. Craving can help or hurt. Sadness can help or hurt.
Bin-Ra wrote:Because I felt engaged with I have engaged with you. It is of course yours to take from it what resonates or serves you. Fear will always distort any interpretations - and recognising this is the ability to bring that conscious rather than be run by unconscious patterns or habits of thought and response that perhaps once served us but now get in the way. Abilities transform under awakened purpose. Holding to true purpose is different from struggle and strife.
Sometimes life is less of a struggle between fear and evil and the good and courageous, but rather a walk in the park where each specific detail of the beauty of nature can be appreciated for what it is, and what is in the current moment in this walk can be focused upon or not. Mindfulness itself can be healing, and it can help us let go of old fears and live in the moment as it is the way it is.
Bin-Ra wrote:I am not here to mark you - and if you miss the mark is not the issue if you have some desire to question, understand and appreciate. The idea of 'discovering' truth properly understands it is revealing the already true to our capacity to accept, recognize and share in appreciation of. To think in terms of being famed or fortuned from flagging or patenting the 'discovery' is all about 'me' and only seeks 'truth' as a prop to the story. But that is not to say that there is not a true blessing in being part of serving a true fulfilment. No one in the sharing of life need stop to question its value - because the fruits of this are truly and tangibly known - and lived.
We don't become someone else so much as release the attempt to be someone or something we are not.
The attempt to become someone we are not sets up the 'Forgetting' in whatever pathways and patterns of action and reaction follow. 'Remembering' is the movement in being in which the past is undone in the present to release the present to extend to the future. In scientific terms, this is the ability and desire to revisit the choices that set the framework into dead ends and reopen to wonder and discovery - and likely find there were then those who opened a truer vision but were denied.
Like I said, remembering everything leads to a long-held problem and further resistance, or a gracious release if perspective on the issue is changed or something about it changes. It depends upon the circumstances of the pain, the pain itself, the way it is viewed, and far more. For instance, when I realized that God can be evil, through karma, a whole vista opened for me even though it sounds outlandish. But this evil isn't really evil; it's justice in its purest form! To cause evil upon people for committing evil and good for good people sounds somewhat barbaric, but to me it is the ultimate justice and simple cause and effect of our willing which causes thought, speech, and deed and can be for good or evil, even in happiness as in suffering.
I have enjoyed talking about you on this issue so much. Thank you, and a prayer for you:
Light extends as far as loving life. Life extends as far as light loves. I wish for love for my own and your life as much as the light extends.
But let this not be a closing prayer! I am interested in your perspective, if you wish sharing!