The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

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The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

Post by StefanR » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:35 pm

Plasma Turns Garbage into Gas
Every year 130 million tons of America’s trash ends up in landfills. Together the dumps emit more of the greenhouse gas methane than any other human-related source. But thanks to plasma technology, one city’s rotting rubbish will soon release far less methane—and provide power for 50,000 homes—because of an innovation in plasma technology backed by Atlanta-based Geoplasma.

Engineers have developed an efficient torch for blasting garbage with a stream of
superheated gas, known as plasma. When trash is dropped into a chamber and heated
to 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit, its organic components—food, fluids, paper—vaporize into a hot, pressurized gas, which turns a turbine to generate electricity. Steam, a by-product, can generate more. Inorganic refuse such as metals condense at the bottom and can be used in roadbeds and heavy construction.

Several small plasma plants exist around the world for industrial processes, but Geoplasma is constructing the first U.S. plasma refuse plant in St. Lucie County, Florida. The plant is scheduled to go online by 2011; it will process 1,500 tons of garbage a day, sending 60 megawatts of electricity to the power grid (after using some to power itself).

Emissions are far lower than in standard incineration, and the process reduces landfill volume and methane release. Power prices are projected to be on par with electricity from natural gas. The difference, says Ron Roberts, St. Lucie County’s assistant director of solid waste, is that “you’re getting rid of a problem and making it a positive.”
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=pla ... garbagegas


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Re: The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

Post by Grey Cloud » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:44 pm

Hi Stephan,
I saw this article a few days ago. It would be nice if science came up with a solution to the pollution it causes. ;)
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Re: The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

Post by junglelord » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:32 pm

The dump for Ottawa Ontario was full.
A talk radio show in Ottawa had talked about this.
When the time came for the final decision.
They never even considered the plasma burn units.
This got the radio talk show host, incensed.
It got some real good time and exposure.

I think the world is run by imbeciles.
City councils, governements, everything in between.
The rational of those who make decisions for the rest of us is the most broke system in the world.
We are spiritual enough to decide for ourself.
Yet still the world is raped and polluted by big business, corporate greed, inept city councils, war crazy nations.

Sad State of Affairs.
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Plasma for rubbish

Post by edcrater » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:39 am

Members might be amused by this:
http://www.tech-faq.com/plasma-gasification.shtml

Whilst plasma is heretical on the astrophysical level, the world seems quite happy to use it for disposing of the garbage!

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Re: Plasma for rubbish

Post by Plasmatic » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:43 am

Theres another thread on this somewhere. It was brought up on the old forum as well.After hurricane Katrina N.O. used these to deal with all the debris. The waste is useful as well.
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Re: Plasma for rubbish

Post by altonhare » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:08 am

I built a biomass gasifier as my senior design engineering project. Automated it and everything. You turned it on and dumped in corn. It accepted compressed air at ambient temperature and output air at around 1000 degrees F. Pretty useful contraption. It's currently being used as a demo/research model for a large-scale biopower plant at North Carolina State's Centennial Campus. I have pictures of it and the final report I wrote somewhere and I'll search for it if anyone's interested. None of the info is really publicly accessible.
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Re: Plasma for rubbish

Post by Grey Cloud » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:10 am

altonhare wrote:I built a biomass gasifier as my senior design engineering project. Automated it and everything. You turned it on and dumped in corn. It accepted compressed air at ambient temperature and output air at around 1000 degrees F. Pretty useful contraption. It's currently being used as a demo/research model for a large-scale biopower plant at North Carolina State's Centennial Campus. I have pictures of it and the final report I wrote somewhere and I'll search for it if anyone's interested. None of the info is really publicly accessible.
So you built a machine which takes in good corn and pumps out hot air? Why doesn't that surprise me/
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Re: Plasma for rubbish

Post by edcrater » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:11 am

I have just noticed a similar thread on "Future of Science" Board.

"""The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying."""

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Re: Plasma for rubbish

Post by mague » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:38 am

The idea is not exactly new. If i remember well, the problem of burning grabage was the temperature. The higher the temperature, the less toxics it produces. In that regard plasma burning seems to be interessting.

But actually its a very old idea :) Javanese people have been cooking on biogas 1000 years ago. Back then they used bamboo tubes, nowadays metal tubes. Still the same technology. Although this one is only producing energy without needing any energy to start and/or maintain production ;)

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008 ... iogas.html

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Post by Grey Cloud » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:05 pm

Junglelord wrote:
I think the world is run by imbeciles.
We call them experts over here.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
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Re: The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

Post by altonhare » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:14 pm

Grey Cloud wrote:Hi Stephan,
I saw this article a few days ago. It would be nice if science came up with a solution to the pollution it causes. ;)
You mean if technology came up with a solution to the pollution technology causes.
Grey Cloud wrote:Junglelord wrote:
I think the world is run by imbeciles.
We call them experts over here.
Wow something all three of us can agree on.
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Re: The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

Post by junglelord » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:36 pm

It takes no experience to run government...just incredible.
It takes no knowledge to get elected.
It takes no brains to screw things up over and over.
I knew at the age of 10 that the world was real messed up.
I knew that a "true" scientist, should be the leader of the society.
Now to me at ten years old, a scientist was a free man on the land.
Owned by no one, thinking clear and best.

I now know that all public science is veiled intelligence.
99% of public scientist are bought and paid.
They are not Free-Men on the Land.

However in my 10 year old mind of innocence and intelligence and all knowing, the answers were clear and still are.
Government cannot govern science or itself or society, yet it tries to CONTROL all three.
Thats a HUGE difference.

Plasma Burn incineration is one excellent answer to one huge problem.
The units I had researched were Electric Generators as well.
The whole system was run by garbage, and gave back clean useful energy.

The decision to go for another landfill is not only INSANE, its EVIL.
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Microwave Hydrocarbon Recycling?

Post by MGmirkin » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:42 pm

Riddle: When is plastic no longer a plastic?
Answer: When you bombard it with 1200 microwave frequencies tuned to interact with hydrocarbons! Suddenly it feels tired of being plastic and reverts to diesel and/or combustible gas... So much for the notion "once a plastic, always a plastic!"

(Giant microwave turns plastic back to oil)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... o-oil.html
A US company is taking plastics recycling to another level - turning them back into the oil they were made from, and gas.

All that is needed, claims Global Resource Corporation (GRC), is a finely tuned microwave and - hey presto! - a mix of materials that were made from oil can be reduced back to oil and combustible gas (and a few leftovers).

Key to GRC's process is a machine that uses 1200 different frequencies within the microwave range, which act on specific hydrocarbon materials. As the material is zapped at the appropriate wavelength, part of the hydrocarbons that make up the plastic and rubber in the material are broken down into diesel oil and combustible gas.

GRC's machine is called the Hawk-10. Its smaller incarnations look just like an industrial microwave with bits of machinery attached to it. Larger versions resemble a concrete mixer.

"Anything that has a hydrocarbon base will be affected by our process," says Jerry Meddick, director of business development at GRC, based in New Jersey. "We release those hydrocarbon molecules from the material and it then becomes gas and oil."

Whatever does not have a hydrocarbon base is left behind, minus any water it contained as this gets evaporated in the microwave.
So, if you don't want to go the plasma waste disposal route, you can go the microwave disposal route. Or perhaps they're complementary processes?

Waste the garbage with plasma, then take the slag and microwave recycle any left over hydrocarbons out of it for reclamation... Or, toss coated wires (twisted pair phone cable, ethernet cable, etc.) into the microwave recycler, fry the hydrocarbons off for recycling, then pull out the copper wire waste and recycle that too!

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Re: The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

Post by junglelord » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:05 pm

Can you say Hutchison effect?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUgDJc6AWE

Transmutation via microwaves was one of many things he achieved.
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Re: The Future of Garbage: Plasma Frying.

Post by GaryN » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:13 pm

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(Giant microwave turns plastic back to oil)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... o-oil.html
A most timely innovation. I was just reading about how all the regional recycling programs were suffering due to the collapsing value of recyclables, and how plastics in particular would be heading back to the landfills as they have no room to store it 'till (if?) market conditions improve. Maybe now they could at least run their collection trucks on the recovered oil.
Love to know how they tune the microwaves.
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