Jupiter's Great Hot Spot - Sep 17, 2010

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Jupiter's Great Hot Spot - Sep 17, 2010

Post by Shelgeyr » Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:04 pm

I really liked today's article, and always enjoy Stephen Smith's work, so I hate to nitpick (OK, that last part is a lie), but am obligated to point out an issue I have with one little statement in the article, quoted below, emphasis mine...
Birkeland currents follow magnetic field lines and draw charged material from their surroundings with a force that can be 39 orders of magnitude greater than gravity.
Stephen, I get where you're coming from - at least I really think I do - but isn't there a better way to phrase this? Given the uphill battle we face over in the "Magnetic Reconnection" arena in the outside world, with trying to patiently explain that "magnetic field lines" are not manifestly "real" things, but rather measured and/or calculated representations of things, I think your otherwise wonderful article would benefit from having that term scrubbed and rephrased.

Either that, or someone needs to please seriously set me straight because the only other alternative I see is that I've completely misunderstood the whole issue, and while that's certainly possible, I don't feel that's the case.

Like I said, "nitpicking". But I wasn't kidding when I said that I really liiked the article!
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Re: Jupiter's Great Hot Spot - Sep 17, 2010

Post by webolife » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:01 pm

I don't mind nitpicking when it comes to communicating intelligently with our "opposition"...
So I have to point out another piece of errata: Uranus is green, Neptune is blue.
But I always enjoy reading SS's stuff.
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Re: Jupiter's Great Hot Spot - Sep 17, 2010

Post by jjohnson » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:30 pm

Hi, Shelgeyr,
I think I know what you are getting at, and you are in a way right. A Birkland current is a magnetically field aligned current; i.e., the electrons and ions have a translational direction aligned with the [imaginary] lines of magnetic force. They can also have spiraling trajectories whose radius, if viewed end-on to the magnetic field axis, is a function of their velocity, mass, charge, and the magnetic field strength. Moreover, the 3-D case usually has surfaces (cylinders) or sometimes sheets which we imagine as depicting "places" or areas in the field where the magnetic field potential is all of a single value. The electrons "like" to move with the magnetic field, because it takes more energy to cross field lines. Said crossing sets up a force on the charge perpendicular to both the velocity vector and the magnetic field - forcing the particle to curve. The charged particles travel "force-free" (magnetically speaking) when their vector points parallel to the magnetic field vector. Lower energy state, in a sense.

The fact that there is a magnetic field at all implies that there must be the underlying moving charges (current) which create it in the first place. Collisions in field-aligned currents are relatively rare, and because of that, thermal interaction rates (collisions) are low, and the random or thermal temperature may be quite low, even though the kinetic energy of the moving charges can simultaneously be very high. Extremely high.

This is why the math is so messy. It is not a very stable configuration, and small perturbations rin particle motions set off chains of charged particles' being accelerated in new directions, said changes affecting all the surrounding particles, resulting in different electric and magnetic fields in response. Hence the illusory "living" effect, as Langmuir noted, so he named the self-organizing ionized gas state "plasma", as in the blood.

In Steve's defense, it is a "which came first, the cart or the horse, the chicken or the egg?" Magnetic fields are the inevitable companions of electric currents, and an electric current can be set up any time there are charged particles within its field to be accelerated. Birkeland currents move within their magnetic fields, however things got set up to begin with, and those fields accompany the current flows. Being parts of circuits (the "wires") the currents cannot just start or end somewhere out in "empty" space. They are hooked into planets, stars, galaxies and galaxy clusters, connecting the Universe up and lighting its streets at stellar intervals.

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Re: Jupiter's Great Hot Spot - Sep 17, 2010

Post by Osmosis » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:07 pm

When talking about "magnetic lines of force" we are really talking about directions in field gradients. Correct? :?:

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