TPOD Faster Than Light: Part Two Interacting ring galaxies

[phersh]

Hello,

Stephen Smith's article under the TPOD "Interacting ring galaxies" discusses some of the serious flaws in the mainstream redshift model.

I don't see any reference in the forums to Lyndon Ashmore's Tired Light theory of red shift, discussed with some rigor in his book "Big Bang Blasted: The story of the expanding universe and how it was shown to be wrong" http://www.lyndonashmore.com. He describes a mechanism whereby light can lose energy traveling over interstellar distances and as it does so its spectral signature shifts towards the red.

[nick c]

phersh, welcome to the Thunderbolts forum.
I haven't read Ashmore's book. How could the 'tired light' theory explain high redshift quasars in physical associations with lower redshift galaxies? Arp has explained them as being at the same distance from Earth, so if he is correct, why should the light be 'tired' from the quasar and not the galaxy?

Nick

[phersh]

Hi Nick,

Thanks for replying. I don't know the answer to this point, but I will post it over on Ashmore's forum and see if I can get a response.

Cheers,
Phil

[phersh]

I did get a comment about this from Lyndon Ashmore over on his forum. The thread is at http://bigbangblasted.mywowbb.com/forum3/67.html

Let me now what you think.

Phil

[Jarvamundo]

Quasars at huge distances? why not? seems to fit the evidence. I am ok with that.
Arp has done a lot for science in that he produced data of peculiar galaxies,
Doesn't mean he was right.
To be honest, I don't find Arp's evidence of quasars associated with galaxies convincing.
We see things in 2 dimensinsions in space and the quasars could well be in the background behind the galaxies.
Quasars are at huge distances - Arp is wrong on this.

Hi Phil, Welcome,
Looks like interesting work, will absorb his paper... from his comments it seems he's dismissed Arp's quasar distances in order to not address the point?... I guess he accepts that if the quasar distances are at those indicated by Arp, then tired light may be in trouble, although may play some other role. I also have not read his book.

At the same CCC-2 conference Hawkins (not Hawkings) paper on quasar time-dilation was presented. Seemed to verify Arp's work... Time-dilation says they are not at huge distances.

To conclusively say Arp is wrong, is certainly jumping the gun, many properties of quasars are without explanation in standard model.

[nick c]

hi phersh,

Black holes? no problem? why not? not my area of interest though.

Quasars at huge distances? why not? seems to fit the evidence. I am ok with that.

Arp has done a lot for science in that he produced data of peculiar galaxies,

Doesn't mean he was right.

To be honest, I don't find Arp's evidence of quasars associated with galaxies convincing.

Well there is the difference. I find Arp's evidence impressive. I don't find the explanation that they are a random (perspective) alignment of a distant quasar and a closer galaxy very convincing.

Nick

[Siggy_G]

How could the 'tired light' theory explain high redshift quasars in physical associations with lower redshift galaxies? Arp has explained them as being at the same distance from Earth, so if he is correct, why should the light be 'tired' from the quasar and not the galaxy?

That could be a falsifying point, yes. But since there are several known mechanics to red shift, it could still be that photons lose some energy on their travel (tired light), while as Wall Thornhill says (and I think Arp as well), additional red shift is accosiated with the age of a stellar object. So, younger quasar = higher redshift than the parent galaxy, if I'm not mistaken. This would come on top of tired light (the point being that wave propagation through a medium is not lossless, if we consider space to be some kind of medium). I'm not sure yet what the proof or hypothezised point of the age/redshift is though.

The thread about various redshift mechanics:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... f=3&t=3066

[nick c]

Here is Arp's response (in 1990) to the tired light question:
"Comments on the Tired Light Mechanisms" by Halton Arp
http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/downl ... 8.1990.pdf


Nick