EU theorist takes on establishment - Magnetic Reconnection

[StevenO]

This is the greatest threat they face, my friends, knowledge leading to personal empowerment...denying the populace information about clean, cheap, locally produced energy technologies is one of the ways they prevent that.

Or this character is just certifiably bat guano crazy.

At least your not alone then

[junglelord]

Great read, and sad at the same time. The majority of the world have no idea about the truth behind the church of physics, they just blindly recite the creed....the blind leading the blind. Yet someone is keeping them all wrapped up with cookies and milk, someone who does know whats whats....and keeps them and us, dumbed down for their own selfish reasons.

I would bet that out of 7 billion, no more then 10,000 people actually understand the real physics of the technology that they say only a act of god will get out, at least according to Ben Rich, the former head of Lockheed Skunkworks. Its brain washing at a grand scale, plain and simple.

[solrey]

In a world gone mad, the sane are labeled crazy

Claiming the world's stocks and finances are controlled by a select few is just crazy talk, right?

A pair of physicists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich did a physics-based analysis of the world economy as it looked in early 2007. Stefano Battiston and James Glattfelder extracted the information from the tangled yarn that links 24,877 stocks and 106,141 shareholding entities in 48 countries, revealing what they called the "backbone" of each country's financial market. These backbones represented the owners of 80 percent of a country's market capital, yet consisted of remarkably few shareholders.

[StevenO]

For another example of mainstreamers grasping for a hold onto their beliefs check here on BAUT:

The Twin Paradox does not exist

[John Silver]

solrey wrote:
I'd like to see who ultimately owns those domain names.

Fenton Communications?

[Anaconda]

Hi John Silver:

solrey wrote:
I'd like to see who ultimately owns those domain names.

Fenton Communications?

Well, I was interested by the comments about Nereid as I've tangled with that person, myself. Micheal Mozzina noted over at JREF that it seemed the person did use different names to post under in different forums. I haven't seen all the different "names", but I did see and read the "DeiRenDopa" in the JREF forum and the style was identical:

Almost all of the person's (is it really a "she") comments are designed to "bog down" the progression of the proponent's logical argument of the alternative hypothesis. It is a pedantic, legalistic style (but "she" will use all the strategies and tactics available). I identified "her" purpose as being a "blocker" (kind of like a "cock blocker" if you know what I mean ), there only to thwart your purpose and encourage others to do the same.

davesmith-au wrote:
Just an FYI for those involved in the *cough* discussion on JREF, the poster there with the username DeiRenDopa is none other than Neried, from the BAUT forum and other haunts. Otherwise known as Apod-neried, spell it backwards and what have you got?...

So I guess the feigned interest and lack of knowledge of the hypotheses under discussion is to be expected, it's one of her most blatantly dishonest but very commonly used tactics, and in this sense her behaviour is much like that of a troll.

Yes, that definitely confirmed what I already strongly suspected.

And, here, I've read that "she" is all over the place:

michaell.suede wrote:
It is my personal belief that she has been professionally trained in "trolling" and does it professionally for a living. She is on the physicsforums boards, on the BAUT forums, on the APOD forums, on the Space.com boards, and JREF boards - ALL THE TIME. Any time a "real" argument is presented against mainstream physics by someone who knows WTF they are talking about, it becomes her main mission in life to get them banned.

She does actively "suggest" to moderators that proponents of alternative theories are violating the "rules".

Anyway, I've also wondered about her motivations, but the hired troll idea makes sense.

So when John Silver presented "Fenton communications" I googled it and came up with this (see link below quote):

David Fenton has turned leftist activism into big business with his firm Fenton Communications, the single most easily identifiable nexus of anti-consumer activism in Washington, DC. Fenton and his staff masterminded the mad cow scare campaign, the organic marketing craze, the phony Alar-on-apples food scare, and more. He’s very good at what he does, and groups like the Center for Food Safety, Greenpeace, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Organic Consumers Association, and SeaWeb are all happy to pony up big bucks to give their radical messages the Fenton touch.

http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/2807

It does seem that Fenton Communications is a "gun for hire" in the communications arena and would supply somebody like "Nereid" if the price was right.

John Silver, I'd be mightly curious what led you to Fenton Communications because it certainly fits.

And, in several possible ways:

1. "Nereid" appears to be all over the place, all the time.

2. There is big money in the status quo ante remaining unchallenged in "modern" astronomy.

3. The status quo ante in "modern" astronomy works with theories that have almost no application to technology on Earth, whereas, Electric Universe theory has all kinds of technological possibilites, and possibilities that could unlock energy resources.

4. There are many people on the Left who know that Electric Universe theory challenges many of the Left's biggest projects, such as Man-made "global warming", the Earth is running out of resources, and no good can come from Man's ability to harness Nature's resources because Man is a rapacious animal.

5. Successful challenges to the status quo ante (which believe it or not EU may be the biggest threat to an establishment), which if proved out, would provide a powerful example where a centralized establishment was proved wrong ("modern" astronomy is probably the most centralized scientific establishment out there with not only the peer-review system of publication, but also limited telescope time and research grants).

6. There are forces that want centralized control justified and even "glorified", not exposed as dangerous to human freedom and possibly just as important, a retardation to technological innovation and advancement, which would allow more individual choice and diminish the possibility of centralized control.

There are may possibilities, but the most unerroring way to find out is to follow the money.

(Perhaps, I am going a bit over the top just tossing out possibilities.)

Whatever the reasons, "Nereid" through her many alias, does seem to be more than just an avid blogger, but a paid "blocker" of any idea that suggests electromagnetic energy.

So, what to do?

Ignore "her" as much as possible (yes, I've ignored my own advice in this regard, but I'm learning ).

Of course, there will be times when you have to answer "her" questions, so as to either maintain credibility with OTHER readers or to keep the moderators off your back, but with somebody acting so inherently hostile with the sole goal to thwart the presentation of a reasonable alternative hypothesis, getting entangled with "her" usually plays into her hands and "her" purpose of distracting from the free flow of ideas and diminishing any ideas that challenge the status quo.

[nick c]

Well, I think that we are getting a little paranoid
My amazing amateur profiling abilitiy tells me that Nereid is an astronomy teacher, possibly a professor at the college level, whose mission is to rid the world of anyone who dares to question the hierarchy of academia or the peer review system. She is rigid and straight laced and will use any debating or argument technique even if it is misleading, unfair, or incorrect because she honestly believes that the what she has been taught is correct and the system works fine, so the ends will justify the means. I don't think that she is a hired gun. She does this on her own because she enjoys it and feels it is her mission.
No conspiracy.

nick c

[Anaconda]

Hi nick c:

Well, I think that we are getting a little paranoid
My amazing amateur profiling abilitiy tells me that Nereid is an astronomy teacher, possibly a professor at the college level, whose mission is to rid the world of anyone who dares to question the hierarchy of academia or the peer review system. She is rigid and straight laced and will use any debating or argument technique even if it is misleading, unfair, or incorrect because she honestly believes that the what she has been taught is correct and the system works fine, so the ends will justify the means. I don't think that she is a hired gun. She does this on her own because she enjoys it and feels it is her mission.
No conspiracy.

nick c

Well, you may be right

That senario has crossed my mind, in some sense I can't disagree with you or offer an argument to the contary, indeed, it is the most likely senario, but this multiple "name", multiple forums, all the time, single minded course of action would be, even for college professors with plenty of time on their hands, rather unusual.

That wouldn't be hard to believe at all if, "she" acknowledged points that had unassailable merit -- I've seen "her" dodge or ignore or misstate that kind of point numerous times.

Even to the point of twisting Kristian Birkeland's discoveries to minimize his contributions and pioneering work.

She also does her best to discourage readers from doing independent research and makes it very plain to any possible "lurkers" that should they consider the merits of electromagnetic theory on their own and come back to any public forum and express their opinion they will be excluded from the astronomy community or be beyond the pale of rational scientific thought.

I would hope a college professor would respect academic freedom of inquiry -- maybe, I am just naive

[StevenO]

I think you guys are naive in the sense that the concept "the powers that be" is universal. Don't mistrust your gut feeling because somebody else tells you so.

[StevenO]

For another example of mainstreamers grasping for a hold onto their beliefs check here on BAUT:

The Twin Paradox does not exist

Adsar on the BAUT forums is a professional troller too. Just check his behaviour on this thread, split off from mine, that describes that GPS does not rely on SR/GR at all to function:

http://www.bautforum.com/against-mainst ... sr-gr.html

Poor Webbo is being trolled to the bone to get him suspended. I'm pretty sure if Webbo does not give up, Nereid will show up too and talk about the inconsistent language those stupid ATM'ers are using and how they just don't comprehend the higher concepts of the mainstream

I was suspended BTW. for being persistent.

[John Silver]

Anaconda wrote
"John Silver, I'd be mightly curious what led you to Fenton Communications because it certainly fits."

Well, realclimate.org is funded and hosted by Fenton, it should be called "realfenton.org"
Climate Audit have some comments on [url2=http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&safe ... eaudit.org]Fenton Communications[/url2]

[Birkeland]

The status quo ante in "modern" astronomy works with theories that have almost no application to technology on Earth, whereas, Electric Universe theory has all kinds of technological possibilites, and possibilities that could unlock energy resources.

So why give away valuable information to people that extracts your knowledge by means of provocation? Why not use this information yourself for your own benefit? Does it really matter if other people agree with you or not? Is there any need to ask for their confirmation or acknowledgement? You don't need them. They need you. They feed on you.

Who is John Galt?

[StevenO]

Anaconda and I were suspended from BAUT again. Anaconda for 5 days for "not answering questions".
I for two days for "failure to remain civil", which means I was using their own tactics to expose that their fuzzy math is not an adequate representation of the actual physics.

I regards these both as acts of desperation.

[Birkeland]

Anaconda and I were suspended from BAUT again. Anaconda for 5 days for "not answering questions".
I for two days for "failure to remain civil", which means I was using their own tactics to expose that their fuzzy math is not an adequate representation of the actual physics.

I regards these both as acts of desperation.

These people are not authorities - they are true believers in mathematical formalism, platonic realism and empty (formalistic) sacred geometry decoupled from the content of identity (reality) - the arbitrary. You're right, and by implication you're heretics. There is no need to argue with these people. They've got nothing and they know it. They're affraid you'll know it to. That's why they use intimidation and enforce strict rules to deny any inconvenient exposure of what they truly are: mystics. Remember what Hannes Alfvén said:

• "I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory [Big Bang]. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing. There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago" - SOURCE

More:

• The Catholic Education Resource Center: In January 1933, the Belgian mathematician and Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre traveled with Albert Einstein to California for a series of seminars. After the Belgian detailed his Big Bang theory, Einstein stood up applauded, and said, “This is the most beautiful and satisfactory explanation of creation to which I have ever listened” - A Day Without Yesterday

[Anaconda]

Hi steven:

Anaconda and I were suspended from BAUT again. Anaconda for 5 days for "not answering questions".
I for two days for "failure to remain civil", which means I was using their own tactics to expose that their fuzzy math is not an adequate representation of the actual physics.

I regards these both as acts of desperation.

Yes, such is true.

So, Nereid asks as many questions as possible. Now, many are reasonable questions, but also many are irrelevant and serve to distract from the discussion and bog down the proponent of the alternative hypothesis. Nereid also does this to expose the "lack of knowledge" of the proponent as a way to discredit the ideas proposed. And, yes, there were questions I didn't have a ready answer for which I probably should have.

I thought I would get a warning for not answering questions, but "boom" the suspension for 5 days came out the blue. Frankly, I wanted to ignore Nereid as much as possible, apparently it was too much in the eyes of the administrator who suspended me.

Interesting timing, perhaps coincidental perhaps not, but I has just made this comment:

The problem is, researchers can't explain it ["magnetic reconnection"].

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/31aug_mms.htm

When something can't be explained it is a doubious proposition whether it even happens.

When ideas are held by a small group that in turn says it's too complicated to explain, but trust us it happens, and doesn't bother to explain to laymen what half of the participating physical elements are doing (it would bore everybody who isn't in our group), you have to question what really is going on.

An inability to explain it should make those claiming its existence humble and open to ideas, even suggestions that they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the phenomenon and need to re-examine their assumptions.

But what I get from this discussion is the exact opposite.

We are right based on first principles, re-examination of those assumptions are unnecessary.

That is a recipe for never actually understanding the phenomenon and instead substituting dogma for open inquiry.