RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Books, journal articles, web pages, and news reports that can help to clarify the history and promise of the Electric Universe hypothesis.

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RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby paravolt » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:19 pm

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Electric Universe Papers? (Peer-Reviewed and otherwise?)

I'd like it if we could put up links to freely-available peer-reviewed papers on plasma physics, auroras, and other EU-related info (perhaps some direct EU papers, too; granted, some/all of them may not be specifically peer-reviewed). Perhaps starting with a link to the Electric Comet paper?

But I'd love to have links to Alfven's, Birkeland's, C.E.R. Bruce's, Juergens and others' articles. Perhaps we cna maintain a central list here so that interested parties can have unfettered access to them, read them and make up their own mindson the validity of those papers, rather than reading 3rd-party reviews of the papers by others who may or may not understand what the papers are saying?

(Thunderbolts of the Gods Monograph; First Chapter)
http://thunderbolts.info/pdf/01.1PART%20I_Ch1.pdf

(Electric Universe Monograph; Intro and Chapter 1)
http://thunderbolts.info/EU%20Intro%20and%20Chap1.pdf

(Electric Comet)
http://thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf

(Hannes Alfvén bibliography)
http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.ph ... bliography

(Willard Harrison Bennett papers.)
adsabs.harvard.edu

(Kristian Birkeland bibliography)
http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.ph ... bliography

(C.E.R. Bruce materials)
http://www.catastrophism.com/texts/bruce/biblio.htm
adsabs.harvard.edu

(Eric W. Crew [E.W. Crew] materials)
http://www.brox1.demon.co.uk/lightning/index.html
http://www.brox1.demon.co.uk/solar/Solarphysics.htm
http://www.brox1.demon.co.uk/sun2.htm
adsabs.harvard.edu

(A.J. Dessler materials)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988Ap%26SS.144..451P
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1983P%26SS...31.1187H
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1980P%26SS...28..781D
adsabs.harvard.edu

(Ralph Juergens materials)
http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/index.htm

(Oliver Manuel materials)
http://www.omatumr.com/papers.html
http://www.omatumr.com/PapersArxiv.html

(Anthony Perratt materials)
http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/papers.html

I know there's PLENTY more material out there, and I'd love for this to become a central resource for disseminating it to those who are interested in the subject.

If anyone knows of papers that would be of use here, feel free to post links to them. Especially the collectedworks of the above mentioned folks: Birkeland, Alfven, Juergens, Bruce, etc.

Prefer legitimate FREE sources, no copyright infringment, etc. IE, if there's a full text available on arxiv.org or adsabs.harvard.edu, that would be handy. Other useful articles as necessary would be good too...

~Michael

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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: Electric Universe Papers? (Peer-Reviewed and otherwise?)

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I'd like it if we could put up links to freely-available peer-reviewed papers on plasma physics, auroras, and other EU-related info (perhaps some direct EU papers, too; granted, some/all of them may not be specifically peer-reviewed). Perhaps starting with a link to the Electric Comet paper?

But I'd love to have links to Alfven's, Birkeland's, C.E.R. Bruce's, Juergens and others' articles. Perhaps we cna maintain a central list here so that interested parties can have unfettered access to them, read them and make up their own mindson the validity of those papers, rather than reading 3rd-party reviews of the papers by others who may or may not understand what the papers are saying?

(Thunderbolts of the Gods Monograph; First Chapter)
http://thunderbolts.info/pdf/01.1PART%20I_Ch1.pdf

(Electric Universe Monograph; Intro and Chapter 1)
http://thunderbolts.info/EU%20Intro%20and%20Chap1.pdf

(Electric Comet)
http://thunderbolts.info/pdf/ElectricComet.pdf

(Hannes Alfvén bibliography)
http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.ph ... bliography

(Willard Harrison Bennett papers.)
adsabs.harvard.edu

(Kristian Birkeland bibliography)
http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.ph ... bliography

(C.E.R. Bruce materials)
http://www.catastrophism.com/texts/bruce/biblio.htm
adsabs.harvard.edu

(Eric W. Crew [E.W. Crew] materials)
http://www.brox1.demon.co.uk/lightning/index.html
http://www.brox1.demon.co.uk/solar/Solarphysics.htm
http://www.brox1.demon.co.uk/sun2.htm
adsabs.harvard.edu

(A.J. Dessler materials)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988Ap%26SS.144..451P
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1983P%26SS...31.1187H
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1980P%26SS...28..781D
adsabs.harvard.edu

(Ralph Juergens materials)
http://www.kronos-press.com/juergens/index.htm

(Oliver Manuel materials)
http://www.omatumr.com/papers.html
http://www.omatumr.com/PapersArxiv.html

(Anthony Perratt materials)
http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/papers.html

I know there's PLENTY more material out there, and I'd love for this to become a central resource for disseminating it to those who are interested in the subject.

If anyone knows of papers that would be of use here, feel free to post links to them. Especially the collectedworks of the above mentioned folks: Birkeland, Alfven, Juergens, Bruce, etc.

Prefer legitimate FREE sources, no copyright infringment, etc. IE, if there's a full text available on arxiv.org or adsabs.harvard.edu, that would be handy. Other useful articles as necessary would be good too...

~Michael

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lk



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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: Why Peer Review?

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Why Peer Reviewed?
Peer review has served largely to prevent new ideas from being explored in science. Instead of so-called peer review, how about scientifically devised review processes, such as sociocracy?

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Why Peer Review?

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lk wrote:
Why Peer Reviewed?
Peer review has served largely to prevent new ideas from being explored in science. Instead of so-called peer review, how about scientifically devised review processes, such as sociocracy?


Well, I did say "and otherwise," noting the fact that the scientific "man" has been keeping a lot of good folks "down." *wink*

However, a considerable amount of solid peer-reviewed material is available if you can find it. The reason I say peer-reviewed (if it can be found) is that many pseudo-skeptics use "peer reviewed" as a rallying cry to say "you and people like you haven't PUBLISHED anything PEER-REVIEWED." So, part of the gist is to get a list of articles that HAVE been peer reviewed or published in respectable/"notable" (vis a vis, the wikipedia term) journals. If only to shut up the most "ardent" pseudo-skeptics. IE, if they want articles tht have been to a respectable journals, let's give them a heap of reading that HAS made it in.

In my opinion, it will help in the good fight to even the playing field slightly. Atleast then they can point to their journal articles, and we can point to ours. =o]

Again, I suggest we at least get a compilation of "respectable" articles by Kristian Birkeland, Hannes Alfven, W.H. Bennett, C.E.R. Bruce, Juergens, Falthammar, Langmuir, Bostick, Peratt, Wal Thornhill, Halton Arp articles, Oliver Manuel, Eric Lerner. Anything else is gravy, methinks. But, the idea here is to first put it all on a collected solid journal-level footing. IE, lay the foundation. Have a central spot to go to get as many of the articles as possible, so it can be pointed to and said "You want hard science? Go there..."

I just know from past wikipedia experience and having read some degenerating postings on slashdot, BAUT and habitablezone that folks tend to shootfirst and ask questions later, and unless you've got a bulletproof shield (reputable sources; "non-vanity-press" in wikipedia-speak; journal or other citable sources) the argument tends to go down in a blaze of glory. ;o] Not saying it's right, just being pragmatic...

Hence, a resoure to point to when they say "put your journal articles wherer your mouth is," would be handy.

http://www.plasma-universe.com does have a pretty good bibliography section for each, though I'm not sure if it has a specifically "paper-dump" page (ie, strictly a list of papers & abstracts, perhaps sorted by author or by date, or by author and then by date within that author's works?). Kind of a "central clearing house" for papers on EU / PU or something.

My opinion of course.
~Michael

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tesla



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Location: Sydney, Australia
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: The Electric Universe The Book

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I have just finished reading the new book "The Electric Universe" for the second and have found it a really amazing book! a couple of questions and please someone correct me if I am wrong. On page 61 in the information panel it talks about "the solar circuitry seems to behave like a secondary winding on a transformer which responds to varying DC current......
My question is I thought transformers only work with A.C. not D.C...
Another point is; "the varying DC power supply to the sun"..... If we assume that the way the universe works is at the most efficient level, moving energy transmission through D.C. is the least efficient way to do so as you would need current transformers along the the transmission line to "boost" the current flow. A prime example of this is DC power transmission to train lines. AC transmission through the galactic circuit would be at a frequency that to all intents and purposes would look like DC to us. Has anyone else thoughts on this?
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Location: El Paso, TX
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: Re: The Electric Universe The Book

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tesla wrote:
I have just finished reading the new book "The Electric Universe" for the second and have found it a really amazing book! a couple of questions and please someone correct me if I am wrong. On page 61 in the information panel it talks about "the solar circuitry seems to behave like a secondary winding on a transformer which responds to varying DC current......
My question is I thought transformers only work with A.C. not D.C...
Another point is; "the varying DC power supply to the sun"..... If we assume that the way the universe works is at the most efficient level, moving energy transmission through D.C. is the least efficient way to do so as you would need current transformers along the the transmission line to "boost" the current flow. A prime example of this is DC power transmission to train lines. AC transmission through the galactic circuit would be at a frequency that to all intents and purposes would look like DC to us. Has anyone else thoughts on this?
Tesla


At the risk of being snatched up by lurking "Topic Police":

1) Hopefully, one of the pros around here will intercede and give a more competent explanation over this paltry and wordy attempt, but here goes. I haven't read the book yet so I may be off the mark. But what you've quoted isn't saying the solar circuit is analogous to an AC transformer in toto but that the induction principle behind an AC transformer can also be achieved and observed, within limits, by a DC also.

While a conventional man-made transformer is designed to function in AC circuitry based on the principle of induction in a secondary coil due to the alternate building up and collapsing of a magnetic field from a reversing sinusoidal current in an adjacent primary coil, you can also get a similarly induced DC current in a secondary winding (coil) by simply varying a DC current through the primary winding.

Example. And please don't be offended if this sounds "dumbed down" - you must consider the source. Anyway, hook up one of the connection terminals of the primary winding of an AC transformer to one of the terminals of a DC battery (polarity doesn't matter). Connect a variable resistance (potentiometer) and a simple switch between the other terminal of the transformer's primary and the remaining terminal of the battery. The switch should be open, or off. Connect a suitably rated (12 v, whatever, depending on the battery, and transformer rating) lightbulb to the transformer's secondary winding. Turn on, or close, the switch. The lighbulb connected to the transformer's secondary will light briefly due to the induced current from the initial buildup of the magnetic field produced by the DC current in the primary winding. The lightbulb will go out as soon as the current, and the consequent magnetic field, in the primary has reached it's relative and constant peak flow. So you would only see the lightbulb flicker since the initial peak flow will be established "quickly."

Now by manually varying the potentiometer/resistance in the primary, and thus, the current flow though the primary winding, the lightbulb connected to the secondary will show corresponding "flickering" due to induction from the rising and falling magnitude of the magnetic field in the primary. This would be in concert with your turning the knob of the potentiometer back-and-forth, i.e. with your manually increasing and decreasing of the direct current flow through the primary by means of varying resistance. The faster you could vary the turning back and forth of the potentiometer the faster the flickering of the bulb and, I guess, anything around 30cps would give an appearance of more or less steady light. You could achieve the same result by just using the on/off switch.

In terms of voltage, unlike household AC, which will have mirrored positive and negative values across a zero potential axis (roughly +120 down and through 0 to -120 or vice versa, back-and-forth at 60cps (for U.S.)), the simple DC circuit above would vary with your manual tuning of the potentiometer/resistance in the primary circuit anywhere from 0 to +- 12v, if you were using a 12v battery as source say. If you eliminated the potentiometer and just used the on/off switch the intensity of the bulb would correspond to max and min values of ~12v and 0.

The bulb connected to the secondary would tend to pulsate or oscillate in concert with the variations of the DC in the primary based on how often you adjusted current flow in the primary by varying the potentiometer, or hitting the on/off switch. At each point you stop varying the resistance, or leave the switch either in steady on or off position, the bulb on the secondary winding will go out because current induction will have ceased i.e no change in current of the primary so no magnetic flux (change) to induce a corresponding induced change in the secondary.

In this simplistic circuit, you could also "simulate" an AC in the primary by continually reversing the DC battery's +- terminal connections.

2) As to the efficiency of power transmission at galactic and/or interstellar scale I will definitely defer to the pros.

Arc-us
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mgmirkin



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Location: Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: Books available for download...?

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I've recently come across several books available for general consumption (keep in mind they're generally old titles on which copyrights have expired, and in some way just for historical intent, so take them with a grain of salt), provided through:

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=&scope=books

Here they are in no particular order, except the first five. Not all necessarily EU books/papers per se, but historically interesting anyway.

(The Universe, a Vast Electric Organism; written circa 1904.)
http://ia331333.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... rdrich.pdf

(Concepts of the Electrical Phenomena of Planetary Systems)
http://ia331336.us.archive.org/3/items/ ... amrich.pdf

(Growing Crops and Plants with Electricity)
http://ia331313.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... dgrich.pdf

(Electro-Horticulture)
http://ia310930.us.archive.org/3/items/ ... llrich.pdf

(Studies in Electro-Physiology)
http://ia331321.us.archive.org/1/items/ ... iniala.pdf

(The Distinguishing features of Comets considered as phases of an Electrical Discharge resulting from Excentricity of orbit. Published circa 1861 {!})
http://books.google.com/books?id=i_UQAA ... t&as_brr=1

(Studies in Terrestrial Magnetism)
http://ia331312.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... rerich.pdf

(The Electric Furnace)
http://ia331339.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... anrich.pdf

(Discharges of Electricity in Gas)
http://ia331313.us.archive.org/3/items/ ... lhrich.pdf

(Meteorology)
http://ia331316.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... ddrich.pdf

(History of Science)
http://ia331314.us.archive.org/1/items/ ... lliala.pdf

(Conduction of Electricity in Gas)
http://ia331336.us.archive.org/3/items/ ... omrich.pdf

(Elementary Studies in Electricity and Magnetism)
http://ia310928.us.archive.org/3/items/ ... omrich.pdf

Feel free to post any other relevant books that might be of use hereabouts. I think the first two above are most interesting...

Cheers,
~Michael

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mgmirkin



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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject:

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(The global atmospheric electrical circuit and climate; paper/abstract)
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0506077

Submitted by upriver here.

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mgmirkin



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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Bernard Vonnegut

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While not EU per se (IE written by a mainstreamer who actually "got it" independently), I think some or all of these form a large body of supportive evidence.

Copied from another forum, 'cause i think they're useful here as a resource.
I wrote:
Bernard Vonnegut papers

So, yeah, Bernard was a heck of a scientist, and even "got it" about atmospheric electrification and electricity's role in weather formation. This guy's work deserves serious critical attention.

(The Atmospheric Electricity Paradigm.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994BAMS...75...53V

(Allegiance to theory changes with the wind)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994EOSTr..75..316V

(Miniature vortices produced by electrical corona)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993JGR....98.5245J

(Weather and climate changes arising from solar wind effects on thunderstorm electrification)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995EOSTr..76..315V

(Tropospheric electrification)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1979mae..nasa..157V

(A study of stratospheric discharges)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1981suny.rept.....O

(Electrical Balance in the Lower Atmosphere)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1973AREPS...1..297V
PDF of paper

(Effect of Atmospheric Space Charge on Initial Electrification of Cumulus Clouds)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1962JGR....67.3909V

(Abnormal Polarity of Thunderclouds Grown from Negatively Charged Air)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986Sci...233.1413M

(Anomalous electric fields associated with clouds growing over a source of negative space charge)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989JGR....9413127M

(Correction to "Anomalous electric fields associated with clouds growing over a source of negative space charge")
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991JGR....96.7589M

(Artificial Modification of Atmospheric Space Charge)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1962JGR....67.1073V

(Artificial Initiation of Lightning Discharges)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1961JGR....66.3967B

(Reduction of thunderstorm electric field intensity produced by corona from a nearby object)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984JGR....89.1468V

(Deductions concerning accumulations of electrified particles in thunderclouds based on electric field changes associated with lightning)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1983JGR....88.3911V

(Gushes of Rain and [H]ail After Lightning.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1964JAtS...21..646M

(Luminous Electrical Phenomena Associated with Nocturnal Tornadoes in Huntsville, Ala.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1976BAMS...57.1220V

(An explanation for anomalous lightning from forest fire clouds)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995JGR...100.5037V

(Electric-Field Perturbations Caused by Eruption of Yellowstone Geysers.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1963JAtS...20..180S

(Quaint cumulus convection conviction)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1997EOSTr..78..241V



(Comment on `A Review of Thunderstorm Electrification Processes'.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994JApMe..33.1376V

(Comments on ``thunderstorm electrification: the effect of cloud droplets'' By E. R. Jayaratne and C. P. R. Saunders)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987JGR....92.3139V

(Comments on the paper 'The electrification of thunderstorms')
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1983QJRMS.109..262L

(Comments on `Electrification of Condensing and Evaporating Liquid Drops'.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975JAtS...32..226G

(Comment on 'On the relation of electrical activity to tornadoes' by R. P. Davies-Jones and J. H. Golden)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975JGR....80.4559V

(Comment on 'The electrification of thunderclouds and the rain gush' by Z. Levin and A. Ziv)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975JGR....80..438V

Cheers,
~Michael


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mgmirkin



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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject:

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(Cosmic ray spectrum above 1015 eV (a new approach); Petrukhin, A. A.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005ICRC....3..137P
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full ... ...3..137P

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

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mgmirkin



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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject:

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Some articles I found recently from http://adsabs.harvard.edu below:

(Electric Potential Variations on a Poplar: Beyond Electrokinetic Effects Associated With Sap Flow)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004AGUFM.B53A0980G

(On the relationship between the tree and its environment, based on electrical potential difference monitoring on trunk of trees)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002AGUSM.B32A..17K

(Electrical Imaging of Roots and Trunks)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AGUSMNS44A..01A

(Some Characteristics of the Waves that Operate Plants)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001APS..MARJ21016W

(Dominant lateral waves in the canopy layer of a four-layered forest)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999RaSc...34..681K

Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

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mgmirkin



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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject:

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From Tolenio on another thread (Not all papers per se, but still figured these might also be relevant):

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpB ... .php?t=700

tolenio wrote:
(Magnetic Fields and plant growth)
http://www.qsine.ca/070416/Default.php? ... MagExpProc

(Magnetic Fields and seed germination)
http://www.actahort.org/books/399/399_15.htm

(Magnetic fields produced by steady currents in the body)
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picren ... obtype=pdf

And those with nerve damage in their hands have variations in their fingerprints;

(Digital Dermatoglyphics in Leprosy)
http://tinyurl.com/2b7ylr

(Excess of counterclockwise scalp hair-whorl rotation in homosexual men)
http://www.ias.ac.in/jgenet/Vol83No3/251.pdf

So magetic field steering is not limited to the macro galaxy, but down to the finite, right down into our own biology.

Later,
Tom


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mgmirkin



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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:

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A few new interesting articles forwarded by a colleague.

(Polarization in Gamma-Ray Bursts Produced by Pinch Discharge)
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0501334

Quote:
Large-voltage and high-temperature plasma columns produced by pinch discharge can generate gamma-ray flashes with energy spectra and spectral evolution consistent with that observed in gamma-ray bursts (GRBs). The inverse Compton scattering (ICS) during the discharge process can produce high linear polarization. The calculation indicates that the observed polarization depends on the angle between the observer's line-of-sight to the GRB and the direction of the pinch discharge, but only weakly depends on observed gamma-ray energy.


(Cosmic ray spectrum above 1015 eV [a new approach])
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005ICRC....3..137P
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full ... ...3..137P

Quote:
A new approach to cosmic ray description based on the model of particle generation an acceleration in plasma pinches and on supposition that a new state of matter appears in cosmic ray interactions above 20^15 eV is considered. Consequences for various aspects of cosmic ray physics and some possibilities to check this hypothesis are discussed.


Cheers,
~Michael Gmirkin

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mgmirkin



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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:

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Since I was there, I decided to poke around a bit more. Some of these may be quite related, some may be only marginally. But interesting nonetheless.

(Theory of extragalactic radio sources)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984RvMP...56..255B

(Pinch instabilities in magnetic stars)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1973MNRAS.162..339W

(Magnetocentrifugally Driven Flows from Young Stars and Disks. IV. The Accretion Funnel and Dead Zone)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995ApJ...447..813O

(Magnetic collimation by accretion discs of quasars and stars)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1996MNRAS.279..389L

(An electrodynamic model of the Galactic center)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988ApJ...333..735B

(Pinch Instabilities in Young Stellar Object Jets)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988felm.conf..281R

(Current-driven instabilities in astrophysical jets. Linear analysis)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2000A%26A...355..818A

(Initiation of bipolar flows by magnetic field twisting in protostellar nebulae)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992ApJ...392..622N

(Paradigm transition in cosmic plasma physics.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1982PhyS....2...10A

(Cosmic electric currents and the generalized Bennett relation)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988Ap%26SS.144...73C

(Pinch - Mechanism of Energy Release of Stellar Flares)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990Afz....32..405H
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990Afz....32..405A
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990Ap.....32..230A

(The linear Z-pinch and stellar flare phenomena.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989Afz....30..534A
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989Ap.....30..329A

(Pinch effect and stellar flares physics.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989rsp..conf..163H
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989ESASP.285..163H

(Pinch-Effect and Physics of Flares of Stars)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988ATsir1529....3H

(Pinch-effect and physics of stellar flares.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988ATsir1529....3A

(Magnetic vortex tubes, jets and nonthermal sources)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1985A%26A...144..298B

(Magnetic vortex tubes in astrophysics)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986ITPS...14..718B

(Triggered Star Formation in Filamentary Molecular Cloud)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999sf99.proc..369F

(Cosmology in the plasma universe - an introductory exposition)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990ITPS...18....5A

(The role of electrical discharges in astrophysical phenomena)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975Obs....95..204B

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You can download a very good primer on EU theory at James P. Hogan's Web site, here.
It's a transcript of slide lecture—slides included, though, unfortunately, they're very small—Hogan gave at Eglin AFB, Florida, back in August.
The graphics will be mostly familiar to those with an interest in the EU, but Hogan adds some that are helpful in visualizing, e.g., Birkeland currents.
Well worth your time.

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longcircuit wrote:
You can download a very good primer on EU theory at James P. Hogan's Web site, here.
It's a transcript of slide lecture—slides included, though, unfortunately, they're very small—Hogan gave at Eglin AFB, Florida, back in August.
The graphics will be mostly familiar to those with an interest in the EU, but Hogan adds some that are helpful in visualizing, e.g., Birkeland currents.
Well worth your time.

longcircuit


Hmm, did I forget that one? If so, I'd meant to add it. Good on you. Actually, there were two articles Hogan put out, as I recall. I'll track down the second...

(FLEXIBLE THINKING & COSMIC ELECTRICITY)
http://jamesphogan.com/demostuff/Eglin/FTCE.pdf

(THE COSMIC POWER GRID)
http://jamesphogan.com/bb/CPG.html

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Re: RECOVERED Resources Posts...

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:38 pm

I'm going to see about trying to manually recover some of the above into a usable format (again). But might end up having to re-do some large swath of it. Lots to do, so little time... ;o]

Kind of sucks that the original BBcode source isn't still available. Makes life more difficult. :x

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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby MGmirkin » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:46 am

Happened across this material today, thought I'd cross-post it from here... Add Freund to Bernard Vonnegut, ER Rathbun, and other notables who aren't afraid to utter the term "electricity" in the geosciences, and have no stake (so far as I know) in the cosmology debate.

MGmirkin wrote:Here's a way-too-long list of papers by Friedmann Freund on the topic of the electronics of the earth's crust and earthquakes. Discussion of p-holes (positive holes; no dirty jokes, please...), piezoelectric stress, etc.

(Stress Activation and Propagation of Electronic Charge Carriers in Igneous Rocks)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AGUFMMR13C1407L

(How can Stresses in the Earth's Crust Lead to Bursts of Electromagnetic Signals?)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AGUFM.S41D..06F

(Pre-earthquake signals - Part I: Deviatoric stresses turn rocks into a source of electric currents)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007NHESS...7..535F

(Pre-earthquake signals - Part II: Flow of battery currents in the crust)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007NHESS...7..543F

(Gabbro in a Temperature Gradient turns into a Battery Generating Electric Currents)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFMMR21A0001M

(Electromagnetic Signals and why they don't show up before every Earthquake)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFM.T34B..04F

(Rocks, when Stressed, turn into a Battery that is Rechargeable)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFM.T31A0421L

(Stress-Activated Electronic Charge Carriers in Igneous Rocks)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFM.T31A0420P

(Antipodal Magnetic Anomalies on the Moon, Contributions from Impact Induced Currents Due to Positive Holes and Flexoelectric Phenomina and Dynamo)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005LPI....36.1854K

(Stress-Rate-Dependent Seismo-Electrodynamcis of Non-Quartz Bearing Rocks)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AGUFM.T51B1334L

(Positive charge carriers flowing out of partially stressed synthetic quartz: a fundamental experiment for modeling seismo-electromagnetic phenomena)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AGUFM.T51B1336T

(Anomalous Magnetic Field Pulses, Ground Currents, and the Build-up of Stress prior to the Chi-Chi Earthquake)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004AGUFM.T51B0448H

(Large-Scale Model of the Electrical Conductivity in the Crust)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004AGUFM.T51B0444L

(Stress-Induced Changes in the Electrical Conductivity of Igneous Rocks)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004AGUSMGP21A..06T

(Charge generation and propagation in igneous rocks)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002JGeo...33..543F

(Impact-Generated Electric Charges in Igneous Rocks)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1998LPI....29.1106B

(O in Olivine: Cause for a Pronounced Electric Anomaly Around 600 deg C)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991LPI....22..413F


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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby MGmirkin » Wed May 21, 2008 6:35 pm

Happened to be perusing adsabs.harvard.edu after a quote indirectly related to Birkeland (possible prior art by Alex Adams with respect to suspecting electrical interaction in / around sunspots c. 1883?), and searched on "electric sunspots." Apparently, there's plenty of peer-reviewed paperwork circulating that has to do with asking questions about electricity at the sun with respect to the chromosphere and below, the photosphere, corona, solar flares, prominences, sunspots, etc. etc.

Here you go! Not by EU or PC researchers, per se. But nonetheless interesting from an electrical / plasma perspective!

(The Formation of Sunspots from the Solar Toroidal Field.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1955ApJ...121..491P

(Magnetic and Electric Phenomena in the Sun's Atmosphere associated with Sunspots)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1947MNRAS.107..338G

(Electric current helicity in the solar atmosphere)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990SoPh..125..219S

(The Electrical Conductivity in the Sunspot Regions)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1968SoPh....3..543O

(Evidence for Current-carrying Emerging Flux)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1996ApJ...462..547L

(On the Subphotospheric Origin of Coronal Electric Currents)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1997ApJ...481..973P

(Electrical Conductivity Gradients in Sunspots)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1967SoPh....1..377A

(Magnetic field and electric currents of a unipolar sunspot.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970IzKry..41...67K

(On a More Precise Calculation of the Electric Conductivity in the Photosphere and in Sunspots)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1969SoPh....6..241K

(Relationship between electric currents, photospheric motions, chromospheric activity, and magnetic field topology)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994SoPh..149..309V

(Are Solar Emerging Flux Regions Carrying Electric Current?)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995PhDT..........L

(Explorations of electric current system in solar active regions. I - Empirical inferences of the current flows)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987SoPh..109..307D

(On the Structure of Magnetic Field and Electric Currents of a Unipolar Sunspot)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1971IAUS...43..212K

(Electric current in a unipolar sunspot with an untwisted field)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990GeoRL..17.2273O

(Electric currents and free energy in a flaring twisted field configuration)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991A%26A...241..203H

(Conditions for flare and filament formation in interacting solar active regions)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991A%26A...244..533S

(Preflare state)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994SoPh..153....1R

(An electrograph for measurement of macroscopic electric fields in prominences and flares)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991SoPh..135..179M

(On neutralized currents in the solar corona)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992ApJ...392L..39W

(A Possible Acceleration Mechanism for a Solar Surge)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1968SoPh....5..366A

(Energy build-up and release mechanisms in solar and auroral flares)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975SoPh...40..217O

(Magnetic field and electric current structure in the chromosphere)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1974SoPh...37..323D

(The Vertical Component of Electric Current Densities in Sunspots)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005ESASP.600E..55B

(Three-Component Electric Current Density in a Unipolar Sunspot with Twisted Field)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991BAAS...23.1031O

(Electric currents in a unipolar sunspot)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990GMS....58..161P

(The system of electric currents of a unipolar sunspot)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989KFNT....5...12P

(The effect of partial ionisation of a gas on the electrical conductivity, with reference to sunspot umbrae)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1973SoPh...33..403G

(Determination of the Azimuthal Electric Currents in the Surface Layers of Sunspots.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970SvA....14..416J

(Electric Conductivity in the Inhomogeneous Photosphere and Sunspots)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970SoPh...14..136K

(Electric Current in a Sunspot)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970SoPh...12..104J

(Simplified method of computing the electric conductivity in sunspots and in the photosphere)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1966BAICz..17..270K

(Electric currents and Lorentz forces derived by vector magnetographic measurements. I - Electric currents in a flux bundle)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991AN....312...49H

(Response of equatorial electric field to polarity of interplanetary magnetic field)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989P%26SS...37.1403S

(Electric field measurements in solar flares)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986SoPh..105..355Z

(Current convection in solar active regions)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993SoPh..145..111M

(Vertical current densities and magnetic gradients in sunspots)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006A%26A...449.1169B

(Distribution of electric current in solar plasma loops)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AdSpR..39.1826T

(The Influence of Faraday Rotation on the Vertical Electric Current Density)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006ApJ...649L.141S

(Are Electric Currents Heating the Magnetic Chromosphere?)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005ApJ...633L..57S

(No increase of the interplanetary electric field since 1926)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004JGRA..10907106L

(The X10 Flare of 1991 June 9: White Light, H-alpha, Magnetic Fields, and Electric Currents)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992BAAS...24..795D

(Solar magnetic fields and large-scale electric currents in the active regions)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990AdSpR..10..151G

(Electric fields in the solar atmosphere)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1977SoPh...54..151M

(Energy Build-Up and Release Mechanisms in Solar and Auroral Flares)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1975SSRv...17..195O

(CHAMP observation of intense kilometer-scale field-aligned currents, evidence for an ionospheric Alfvén resonator)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AnGeo..25.1603R

As we can pretty clearly see, there's plenty of peer-reviewed work looking into electric fields, currents, etc. with respect to the sun... So, if anyone's writing any articles, or wants to write any articles a few of those would probably be good citations of prior art.

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Don Scott papers:

Unread postby MGmirkin » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:49 pm

(A Solar Junction Transistor Mechanism; IE, double layer(s) at the surface of the sun, give or take)
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_ ... er=4346305

(Solar Surface Transistor Action)
http://members.cox.net/dascott3/SDLIEEE.pdf

(Real Properties of Electromagnetic Fields and Plasma in the Cosmos)
http://members.cox.net/dascott3/IEEE-Tr ... ug2007.pdf

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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

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(1913: PICTURES UNIVERSE ELECTRIFIED SPACE; Prof. Birkeland of Norway Holds That Suns and Stars Are Charged Negatively.)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 946296D6CF

(1902: THE NEW ELECTRIC GUN.; Prof. Birkeland's Invention May Be Able to Throw Two Tons Ninety Miles.)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 946397D6CF

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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby jjohnson » Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:08 pm

Thanks for these papers, Nick. I was flabbergasted to read Bruce's referring to the "Galactic magnetic pinch" in his paper on stellar atmospheres in 1959. How long have astronomers known all about such things and ignored them at the peril of their knowledge and abilities to interpret correctly? Are things electric just not that exciting to those who prefer to just look at things optically, or what? (correct answer: "or what?")

I am certainly no physicist or eletromagnetics expert, but it just seems so straightforward to deduce most stellar and cosmological phenomena if you start from first principles based on electric theory rather than on fusion chemistry and gravity.

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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby nick c » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:19 pm

Hi Jim,
Bruce's work is totally ignored by mainstream, he was a precursor of the EU. I especially love reading Bruce's descriptions of the electrical nature of the Sun, sunspots, corona, flares, etc. Bruce did not question the internal nuclear furnace theory, but his writing was an inspiration to Ralph Juergens who often credited Bruce. Juergens took Bruce's work to another level when he postulated an external power source for the Sun.

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Re: Oct 8 2010 multiple link issues

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:33 pm

* The Thoth Newsletter, formerly at kronia.com, is now available at http://sci2.lefora.com under "Thoth". The Juergens article, "Of the Moon and Mars", is available on the internet at http://saturniancosmology.org/juergensa.htm and http://saturniancosmology.org/juergensb.htm.
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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby kiwi » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:20 am

great links all ... found this from here http://saturniancosmology.org/juergensa.htm ..... wonder why this is not more common? what was special about this strike?

Peter E. Viemeister points out that lightning has been known to dig "a furrow-like trench" and even leave "a strange trail of holes in the ground" (40).

Much more impressive, however, is a photograph reproduced in the National Geographic Magazine for June 1950. The caption of the picture informs us that "Lightning Gouged This 40-foot Trench," and the text further informs us that "three baseball players were killed when a bolt furrowed the infield during a game at Baker, Florida, in 1949... Ground's resistance to current 'blew' the earth like a fuse."
Image: An "Earth rille." This trench was blasted out of a baseball diamond by a lightning bolt. (UPI) [nb: 50 people were injured.]

This photo shows a zigzag excavation roughly 18 inches across and about 6 inches or so deep. The debris from the explosion is spread to both sides of the trench, perhaps six feet each way, and it is so thinly deposited that blades of infield grass can be seen poking through it. Vaguely visible is a marking in the trench bottom that suggests that the hottest part of the current channel meandered even more than the gross outlines of the trench itself.

And, just as one example of the excavating prowess of electricity, A. W. Grabau cites this occurrence: "In Fetlar, one of the Shetland Islands, a solid mass of rock 105 feet long, 10 feet broad, and in some places more than 4 feet high, was in an instant torn from its bed by lightning and broken into three large and several small fragments... [One fragment], 28 feet long, 17 feet broad, and 5 feet in thickness, was hurled across a high point of rock to a distance of 50 yards. Another broken mass, about 40 feet long, was thrown still farther, but in the same direction, and quite into the sea...." (41).
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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby Aveo9 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:21 am

And, just as one example of the excavating prowess of electricity, A. W. Grabau cites this occurrence: "In Fetlar, one of the Shetland Islands, a solid mass of rock 105 feet long, 10 feet broad, and in some places more than 4 feet high, was in an instant torn from its bed by lightning and broken into three large and several small fragments... [One fragment], 28 feet long, 17 feet broad, and 5 feet in thickness, was hurled across a high point of rock to a distance of 50 yards. Another broken mass, about 40 feet long, was thrown still farther, but in the same direction, and quite into the sea...."



Makes you wonder about all the ancient myths of the gods hurling mountains around in their fury. I've read more than one mythological account claiming that a particular island was thrown there from a remote landmass by a raging god. If a terrestrial lightning bolt has enough power to hurl rock "fragments" of the size indicated in that quote, what effect could a planet-to-planet lightning bolt have??

The harmony of EU with ancient mythology constantly boggles my mind :shock:
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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby kiwi » Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:40 pm

what effect could a planet-to-planet lightning bolt have??
The harmony of EU with ancient mythology constantly boggles my mind


I think viewing-perspective has a bit to do with how we "see" some of the geological features around the planet ... is this a "Rock" or part of someones "back-yard" long (or not so) ago



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Re: RECOVERED: Electric Universe Papers, etc.

Unread postby Jarvamundo » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:05 am

what effect could a planet-to-planet lightning bolt have??


Totally stealing another's atmosphere, like the goddess who turned into a snake-haired-monster n stole the warrior's mojo. ;)

cmon, weve all seen it done... you know... what's his name... poor guy
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