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Re: Nuclear Fission/Fusion In The Upper Atmosphere?

Unread postby Maol » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:49 pm

I should have expressed that more clearly.

I think Noctilucent Clouds are just streaks of Prof. Louis Frank’s small comets depositing water on the planet and water formed from protons, electrons and oxygen nuclei in the solar wind coming in on the planet’s flux lines. http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/

This NASA bit about Noctilucent Clouds is either a bit over the top or not well written in regard to the statement, “When methane makes its way into the upper atmosphere, it is oxidized by a complex series of reactions to form water vapor.” Surely, Carbon isn’t being transmogrified into oxygen, though that could be interpreted from this NASA article.
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Re: Electric Clouds

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:02 pm

Twisted contrail remnant or atmospheric currents?
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Re: Electric Clouds

Unread postby pavlink » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:12 am

A Preliminary Study of the Pyramid
as an Electrical Structure
by Miles Mathis
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But nothing about lightning can be understood unless you recognize that the Earth is emitting a radial charge field, made up not of electrons, but of photons. All electrical phenomena in the atmosphere must take place in this charge wind. The important aspects of the lightning rod must then be the same as those of the pyramid: shape and density. The lightning rod must also be a conductor, yes, since we want to focus the electrons and conduct them safely away from protected structures and back into the Earth. But it is the shape and density of the rod that creates the path in the first place. The standard model cannot show how this path is created, but I can. It is created by blocking the charge field and thereby creating areas of differing pressure. This differing pressure is what we call potential, and it has the effect of attracting electrons. The lightning rod blocks the charge field only over the area of its cross section, but this cross section is blocked in all the atmosphere above the rod. In other words, the blocked area does not close back up, above the rod. In fact, it increases in area. It does this for the simple reason that the Earth is spherical. The charge field is being emitted radially, so that although the field lines are nearly parallel on the surface of the Earth, they are not completely parallel. The distance between these lines must increase with greater distance from the surface. In this way, the rod acts as a sort of reverse funnel. It creates an area of low pressure above it, increasing in size with greater height. In this way it is able to capture electron flows, even electron flows that are not directly above the rod.
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Re: Electric Clouds

Unread postby seasmith » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:16 pm

Mar 6, 2013
Atmospheric Electricity affects Cloud Height


"Electric currents flow continuously throughout much of the atmosphere because of the global atmospheric electric circuit, and these currents sometimes pass through clouds," explains Giles Harrison, who along with Maarten Ambaum did this latest study at the University of Reading.



Polar darkness
With that in mind, the pair investigated a common type of cloud called "layer clouds" during polar darkness when many of these other influences are lessened or absent. Measurements with a laser ceilometer – a device that determines the height of a cloud base – done in Sodankylä, Finland and Halley, Antarctica, revealed that the cloud base rises an average of four metres for a 1% increase in fair-weather electric-current density. This means that shifts of up to about 200 m per day are possible.


This cycle was discovered in the early 20th century on board a ship operated by the Carnegie Institution of Washington. This variation is known as the Carnegie curve, or as Harrison puts it more poetically, "the fundamental electrical heartbeat of the planet...Layer clouds cover about 40% of the planet, trapping heat at night but reflecting back solar radiation during the day. Unlike thunderclouds, they do not generate strong electrification internally



Harrison's previous work has developed new experimental methods using weather balloons to detect whether droplets near the top and bottom edges of layer clouds are electrically charged. "Using these techniques, we have shown that droplet charging does occur in layer clouds, as a result of currents flowing in the atmosphere," he says. "We have also shown, theoretically, that the charges generated can affect the behaviour of the cloud droplets. Demonstrating the planet's electrical heartbeat in polar clouds is a further step in establishing whether droplets are actually affected by the currents flowing."


http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/new ... oud-height

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/1/015027/article
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Atmospheric electricity affects cloud height

Unread postby viscount aero » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:29 pm

Shocking article from mainstream science:
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Atmos ... t_999.html

Atmospheric electricity affects cloud height
by Liz Kalaugher for Institute of Physics
London, UK (SPX) Mar 12, 2013


View between two layers of cloud, north-west of Scotland. (Courtesy: Giles Harrison).
For decades, scientists have argued over whether there is a link between cosmic rays and cloud cover, which in turn could affect climate. Now two atmospheric physicists in the UK have discovered that global atmospheric electricity - which itself is altered by cosmic rays, space weather and El Nino - affects the base height of certain types of clouds.

"Electric currents flow continuously throughout much of the atmosphere because of the global atmospheric electric circuit, and these currents sometimes pass through clouds," explains Giles Harrison, who along with Maarten Ambaum did this latest study at the University of Reading.

"Whether these small currents affect the cloud's constituent droplets has proved to be a question that is very difficult to answer because, almost invariably, other much stronger influences on the droplets are present," Harrison adds.

Polar darkness
With that in mind, the pair investigated a common type of cloud called "layer clouds" during polar darkness when many of these other influences are lessened or absent. Measurements with a laser ceilometer - a device that determines the height of a cloud base - done in Sodankyla, Finland and Halley, Antarctica, revealed that the cloud base rises an average of four metres for a 1% increase in fair-weather electric-current density. This means that shifts of up to about 200 m per day are possible.

Global atmospheric electricity exhibits a daily cycle, hitting a minimum at around 03:00 GMT and peaking at roughly 19:00 GMT - when activity is high in thunderstorm hotspots such as Africa and North America. This cycle was discovered in the early 20th century on board a ship operated by the Carnegie Institution of Washington. This variation is known as the Carnegie curve, or as Harrison puts it more poetically, "the fundamental electrical heartbeat of the planet".

Harrison and Ambaum found that the base height of the layer clouds they looked at showed a similar cycle to the Carnegie curve. They believe the effect may be due to the charging of small droplets in the cloud's base, which encourages them to stick together.

Thunderstorms and space weather
"The implications are that factors affecting currents flowing in the atmosphere - such as thunderstorms, cosmic rays and Pacific Ocean temperatures - may have distant effects on droplet properties in cloud bases," says Harrison. "Particularly interesting is the possibility that space weather changes could affect weather in the lower atmosphere."

Harrison stresses that the results say nothing about any long-term effects, as they were found for rapidly occurring changes from hour to hour. He reckons that establishing whether the electric currents influence clouds gives an additional perspective on coupling processes within the atmosphere.

"The realization that the electrical heartbeat of the planet plays a role in the formation of layer clouds indicates that existing models for clouds and climate are still missing potentially important components," adds Ambaum. "Understanding these missing elements is crucial to improve the accuracy of our weather forecasts and predicting changes to our climate."

Trapping and reflecting energy
Layer clouds cover about 40% of the planet, trapping heat at night but reflecting back solar radiation during the day. Unlike thunderclouds, they do not generate strong electrification internally.

The magnitude of cloud effects arising from global-circuit-current changes remains to be quantified, says Harrison. "We plan to make improved weather-balloon measurements of cloud droplets and their electrification, to unravel the detail of the droplet processes concerned and their effect on surface temperatures or rainfall."

Harrison's previous work has developed new experimental methods using weather balloons to detect whether droplets near the top and bottom edges of layer clouds are electrically charged. "Using these techniques, we have shown that droplet charging does occur in layer clouds, as a result of currents flowing in the atmosphere," he says. "We have also shown, theoretically, that the charges generated can affect the behaviour of the cloud droplets. Demonstrating the planet's electrical heartbeat in polar clouds is a further step in establishing whether droplets are actually affected by the currents flowing."
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Blog Post on Solar Bursts

Unread postby +Flo- » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:10 pm

Question - if the increase in high flying charges generate cloud cover, thus precipitation, is it negative ions that fall on the earth or do the clouds take up the earths negative charge and leave it with more positive charge? Thanks for directing me to where the answer is explained, or for explaining it!
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Re: Electric Clouds

Unread postby Corona » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:34 am

interesting article about atmospheric electricity effecting cloud formation:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Atmos ... t_999.html

For decades, scientists have argued over whether there is a link between cosmic rays and cloud cover, which in turn could affect climate. Now two atmospheric physicists in the UK have discovered that global atmospheric electricity - which itself is altered by cosmic rays, space weather and El Nino - affects the base height of certain types of clouds.

"Electric currents flow continuously throughout much of the atmosphere because of the global atmospheric electric circuit, and these currents sometimes pass through clouds," explains Giles Harrison, who along with Maarten Ambaum did this latest study at the University of Reading.

"Whether these small currents affect the cloud's constituent droplets has proved to be a question that is very difficult to answer because, almost invariably, other much stronger influences on the droplets are present," Harrison adds.
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Ozone density highest at poles and lowest at equator?

Unread postby Infinion » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:43 am

So ozone is supposedly produced when ultraviolet radiation hits oxygen molecules, their bonds are broken, and then the individual oxygen atoms combine with unbroken oxygen molecules, forming O3.

Knowing this, I looked up if the density of ozone was highest at the equator since that is the area of greatest UV radiation exposure. To my surprise the opposite was true, the density is highest at the poles and lowest at the equator.

Brewer-Dobson circulation is credited as the principal wind transport mechanism causing this backwards density distribution.

Knowing what we know about EU Theory, is UV radiation (from the sun) and Brewer-Dobson circulation still principally what is causing this? Do the other planets, both closer and further away from our sun, have similar distributions of trace gasses in their atmospheres? Do these planets obey similar wind transport mechanisms? And if a planet's atmosphere is too thin for a transport mechanism, would its trace gas density be greatest where UV exposure is greatest?
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Re: Ozone density highest at poles and lowest at equator?

Unread postby D_Archer » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:38 am

Conclusion: it is not UV that builds up the Ozone layer.

And the north pole has more ozone than the south pole....

I would say that ozone is there most where current IN is highest, ergo it is Birkeland currents that create ozone.

http://www.bigclive.com/ozone.htm

This gif is aptly titled: current.gif:
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Birkeland currents in clouds?

Unread postby rkm » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:06 am

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Re: Birkeland currents in clouds?

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:54 am

Nice pic! ;)

I see twisting, but why? :? Wind is the obvious conclusion.. ;)
Considering electrical possibilities, what would produce charge differences, that would not be neutralized dispersed by movement by wind? :?
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Re: Birkeland currents in clouds?

Unread postby kell1990 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:28 am

rkm wrote:[img]
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I presume this is a valid photo.

I zoomed in on this cloud formation and found it to be most interesting. There really is a twisting formation in the clouds. Are Birkleland currents responsible for this? It would seem to me that it is worth the time to conduct an inquiry.

<after thinking about this for a few minutes>

It seems to me that a Birkeland Current is the exact cause of this flow in the clouds. How else to explain the over and under twists in the clouds?


I think we are much closer to the realization of an Electric Universe that some imagine, and I'm not sure everyone is ready for it.
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Re: Birkeland currents in clouds?

Unread postby kiwi » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:04 am

Sparky wrote:Nice pic! ;)

I see twisting, but why? :? Wind is the obvious conclusion.. ;)
Considering electrical possibilities, what would produce charge differences, that would not be neutralized dispersed by movement by wind? :?


Nice example here, simplistic and crude ... but the general idea is there ,... about 1:50 as the field extinguishs the flame :?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_8Gc_Llr8

and other interesting pieces ...

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/ ... omenew.htm


http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ ... icanes.htm


http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/ ... eather.htm


http://www.holoscience.com/wp/electric-weather/


http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/ ... clouds.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWjriMpoo6w

:idea: :D
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Re: Birkeland currents in clouds?

Unread postby Sparky » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:13 am

Kiwi, thanks for the links....I was questioning the horizontal cloud phenomenon because I had not seen a horizontal charge separation except with lightning.

Amy ions in a wind would constitute current. But will these ions not recombine in the turbulent wind? Ireallydonnojustguessing :? :oops:
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Re: Birkeland currents in clouds?

Unread postby Rossim » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:40 am

It is known that there are large accumulations of positive charge in the bottom of the cloud and negative at the top of the cloud, however, work by Dr. Gerald Pollack shows that the entire cloud is formed via charge separation. Dr. Pollack has a few lectures on the thunderbolts site and authored a couple books you might enjoy; Cells, Gels, and the Engines of Life and the Fourth Phase of Water.

I am a huge advocate of all weather-related phenomena being of a product of electrical nature and charge separation. If these ideas weren't present when first forming the theories of meteorology then, as we know, mainstream science could be so far down a tangent that everything they observe can be explained in exotic ways to uphold the current way of thinking. Clouds consistently shape other clouds as if they fit like puzzle pieces, clouds formed over mountain tops seem to resist wind movements, and filamentary formations connecting clouds to each other are quite common in my local area of SW FL. These can all be explained through temperature fluctuations and air currents, however, they would also be expected in an electrically dominant environment.
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