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Re: "Mysterious" Tubular Clouds

Post by mharratsc » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:53 pm

Here's one that shows a distinct corkscrew to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD31v4dO ... re=related

Here's something similar, but I swear this almost looks like a giant hollow sphere forming at the union of two rolling clouds... a sky geode?? :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcExWUBM ... re=related

Woah, check out this one too- hard to make out, but is that thing horizontal or vertical?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG4LzXhi ... re=related

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Light bending above storm clouds

Post by newalexandria » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:15 pm

I was recently exposed to these videos, showing light effects above storm clouds changing rapidly - perhaps due to electrical changes in the clouds themselves. Presumably, the water droplet dispersion would change in the cloud's e-field - whatever that could look like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z_-uK5Btik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9Ks6H3coY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUcH3VClzUI

Using this as a measurement technique if very dependent upon light and cloud structure. Hopefully enough sightings will be made to make it an exciting thing to hunt down


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Re: Light bending above storm clouds

Post by MattEU » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:19 am

the first and last cloud seem to be in the same stage or type, large bulbous cloud with white water vapour around them but also the thin smooth white almost secondary layer of cloud slightly above it. Looks like a smooth blanket of cloud. It seems to be there at the start but by the end of the clips it has gone.

In both of these clouds does a circle of clear sky appears beside the cloud and can you see filaments of cloud either being formed quickly or the energy increasing to show them off?

the white blanket cloud just above a large and rising head of a cloud is something seen often but i have never seen it with the light show. If clouds are electric is this a double layer sort of thing or does it show that this is where the electrical activity is occuring?

perhaps not bending light but could this be a local disharge or glow?

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Re: Light bending above storm clouds

Post by newalexandria » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:10 pm

I would think the bending of light is more to do with dispersed water vapor. The e-field above the cloud (in this way of thinking) would gradient the droplets in some way - like a lens effect. I don't really envision another explanation.. I don't think there's enough charge in a storm cloud to bend light directly, else we would have seen that long ago.

This is a 'field mapping' phenomenon involving the sweetspot of cloud energy, droplet availability, light angle, and observation angle. And how many people would care so much to make an observation of a tiny thing like the 'corona' of light around certain clouds.

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Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by Callesen58 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:22 pm

Anyone notice how the clouds look when cold and warm fronts collide?

http://www.mountainweather.com/clouds%2 ... 0front.jpg

http://nineonenine.com/pics/longhaul_20 ... C_0034.JPG

The "collisions" just look a little too perfect, considering that it should be chaotic if it was based on heat and, by extension, wind. Or do I just take too much notice of cloud formations? :?
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occluded fronts, Mammatus clouds and power lines

Post by MattEU » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:48 am

Mate, you are totally on the right track. "cold" and "warm" is only a human term, to the rest of the universe they are just different amounts of energy and so have potential difference and all that sort of electrical stuff.

the edges of weather fronts or even weather backs can look very much like roll clouds / morning glory clouds / shelf clouds / wall clouds because they are similar. weather people have to say they are totally different but i think we will find out they will mostly be variations of each other. part of the earths electrical weather circuit. wall clouds twist upwards to create tornadoes and have a thin "tail cloud" going into them.

if you look at occluded weather fronts you will see it looks like a power supply - "warm" and "cold" meaning higher and lower enegy difference

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occluded weather front diagram or power/energy lines in the weathers circuit?

The weather "fronts" or "rears" that you find some types of Mammatus clouds seem to have energy lines going into/out of them.

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Mammatus clouds (Mammatocumulus or Breast Clouds) seen in Malta

a couple of other things to think about is are some weather fronts pushed or are they pulled and how do clouds in front of a weather system know its approaching?
Some weather fronts will have streamers/feelers extending forward and you get certain types of clouds that proceed a weather front...

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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by mharratsc » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:40 am

I've often thought that 'fronts' are just 'areas of charge' and that when two fronts collide you get an equalization of charge going, and that the break in the 'cells' of the charge at that point usually attempt to tie in the Earth circuit (tornados like mentioned above, or just rain, snow, lightning in thunderstorms, etc).

Regarding the streamers Matt mentioned up above- I've got some pics that I snapped here in Minnesota of one front pushing up over another. One was a clear air cell, the other was a solid overcast. The overcast layer was pushing upwards, and it was emitting streamers into the clear air cell- they were *twisting*... no joke! Additionally, the streamers weren't trailing behind the cloud, they were pushing out in front of the opaque cell! It made me think that the front 'blowing in' wasn't being 'blown' at all... it was being pulled, if anything.

Does any of that make sense? o.O


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streamers and Pushmi Pullyu weather fronts

Post by MattEU » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:07 pm

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cloud feelers/tendrils extending away from weather front or pulling it forward? more photographs of Pushmi Pullyu clouds/fronts


As this weather front line came over Malta was it being pulled forward or pushed? are these lines going forward or were they there before but are now becoming visible? For the image on the right you can see that it is a roll cloud type as there is clear sky behind it.


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This photograph was of a cloud system that a "roll cloud" either powered or formed in. This was seen low down. Above it streamers or feelers then suddenly appeared from what seemed to be above the "roll cloud"

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tendrils/feelers/streamers extended from the clouds above the "roll cloud" and they extended to an area of special cloud, a "crab cloud".

Mike, the streamers you saw, anything like this? I suspect yours might be larger and more impressive as Malta is only a small island but very electric at that. Yours might be much clearer also as there was a lot of EU cloud activity going on at that time.

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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by mharratsc » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:34 pm

Nah, actually I think the dynamic is different over land and over sea. The front that rolled over us here was pretty big (almost continental breadth) and several hundred miles deep, but the tendrils were little wispy buggers. Not so puffy as the ones you point out, and because they were wispy (like locks of hair) it was easy to see that they seemed to be doing a helical twist- not a DNA-super-tight twist, but definitely winding around each other.


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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by keeha » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:58 pm

See them in action: youtube NASA's video showing earth's weather during Aug 17 to Aug 24 2009

Interesting streaming clouds in the Brazilian Highlands.

It would be interesting to see a video spanning years, to look for differences with axial tilt to the sun.

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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by junglelord » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:34 pm

The classic double layer, the cold and warm front.
Thats an area of capacitance by design.
Also where the spiral forms, by design.
Electrostatic energy is stored as tension in the Dielectric Field in a double layer as the potentials change.
The release of this energy is considerable as we all know.

In the first ever wireless transmisson, Mr Loomis made a kite with a copper grid and a copper line in 1860.
This made a current all by itself, just floating about 1000 feet up, all you had to do was connect it to ground to see this current manifest. How very elegant and interesting. Nothing but a long line of copper attached to a copper grid mesh and then attach to ground...voila! Electrostatic current Impulses.
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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by solrey » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:03 am

Seems that tornado's could be the result of a Phase Conjugate four way mixer, with the electrostatic potential in the charge sheaths of the double layer on the sides and the electodynamic potential between the ionosphere above and magnetic anomalies on the ground.
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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by mharratsc » Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:44 pm

GDI Sol!! I was trying to keep up with this thread, and your last post made me blow a fuse in my brain! :shock: *Pop!*

Now I gotta find a fuse-puller and clean up all the drool before my wife gets home... :?
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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by mharratsc » Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:49 pm

Oh hey- now that I've checked out that link that Sol posted...

Is it just me, or does the cloud cover on the south pole look distinctly comprised of two orbital parts?

Additionally, doesn't the band around the planet in this model also remind an educated person of not only the bands around Jupiter and Saturn, but also of a diacotron instability? o.O

Never noticed that before from just watching the radar... interesting! :)
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Re: Regarding "cold fronts" and "warm fronts".

Post by mharratsc » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:22 pm

Whups! My bad- my eyes crossed or something. I was referring to the link that Keeha posted! :oops:
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