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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:36 am

Well, from one or two sources I've read after the fact, this was actually a somewhat rare convergence. IE, the volcano happened to erupt just as an electrical storm was passing overhead.

IE, rather than erupting into a clear blue sky, it was erupting into a lightning storm. It just made for a heck of a mashup! Probably didn't hurt that the volcanic plume may have spewed a bunch of charged material in addition to any neutrals (ash & whatnot).

I think that was the gist of it anyway?

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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)

Unread postby redeye » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:26 pm

Hey Micheal, thanks for the reply.

I've been looking through this gallery and the daytime images seem to show the volcano erupting into fairly clear skies. I would expect this type of electrical storm to kick off once the eruptive column punched through the bottom of the stratosphere.

Also, if you look at image 13 in the gallery above, you can see the green lightning bolt that I alluded to earlier...it may just be the same bolt from a different angle but the scene looks different. I can't remember seeing a green bolt of lightning before, would the colour of the bolt have any significance?

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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)

Unread postby MGmirkin » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:13 pm

Well, one of the article I had read had talked about it being a coincidental alignment. But it was a little while ago, so I don't recall the exact details. But I seem to recall them saying either that the storm was over it when it started erupting, or that the storm migrated / moved into the area at some point while it was erupting. But, again, I don't recall the precise specifics of the article.

I'll see if I can track it down at some point...

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Re: Chile's Chaiten Volcano Eruption (lots of lightning pics)

Unread postby MGmirkin » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:19 pm

Well, there are a few articles that allude to both the volcano erupting and an electrical storm.

(These imply the volcano caused the lightning storm.)
http://www.astroengine.com/?p=226
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/07 ... no-images/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lcano.html

(This implies, I think, that the volcano & lightning storm were coincident)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 883087.ece

So, which came first, the volcano or the lightning storm & are they related events, or just a happy convergence?

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Electric Volcanos

Unread postby Lloyd » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:13 pm

- NOW SEE THIS: http://www.visualizationsoftware.com/3dem.html!
- One of our new members, Vincent Wee-Foo, has a website about his theory of vortexes. When perusing his site recently, I found there a remarkable image of underwater mounds on Earth having many flat-bottomed shallow "craters" very similar to those on Mars' Olympus Mons "volcano". This is the first phenomenon I've seen anywhere that looks a lot like Olympus Mons. This image [above] of the 3 underwater volcano-like mounds is titled "Northeast Pacific Ocean Ridge" and is said to be "From NSF RIDGE Project CDF Bathymetric Data", as shown at the bottom of this series of images: http://www.visualizationsoftware.com/3dem/gallery.html.
- NSF stands for National Science Foundation. RIDGE is also an acronym, referring to a project about 8 years ago to image ocean ridge features. The NE Pacific ridge is off the west coast of North America. It seems that several west coast universities were in charge of the project. At least one of them in Oregon has an ocean research vessel, which was likely used for the project.
- What we need is for someone to find out who would have more data on the above mounds and more images to look at from the RIDGE project etc, which may provide further useful details. The exact location of the above mounds would be the first thing we'd want to know. The 2nd would be close-up images and data for the mounds. The 3rd would be images and data for other parts of the ridge system.
- Here are images of Olympus and Arsia Mons for comparison.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040705olympus-mons.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050606omcaldera.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/061124omcaldera.htm
http://sci.esa.int/science-e-media/img/82/OlympusMonsWestflank.jpe
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/images05/050607arsia%20mons.jpg
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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby MGmirkin » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:10 pm

Well, if we're looking for NSF RIDGE data, why not Google NSF RIDGE?

Comes up with these two sites as leading search results for me...

(Ridge 2000 Data Portal: Project Documents)
http://www.marine-geo.org/portals/ridge2000/docs.php

(Ridge 2000 - From Mantle to Microbe)
http://www.ridge2000.org/science/meetings/index.php

Not sure if that gets us 100% of the way to where we'd like to be. But, it can't hurt, right?

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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby bdw000 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:34 am

I agree with the comparison to Olympus Mons.

Pretty darn impressive if you ask me.
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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby Dragoneye » Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:39 pm

I came up with Vance Ridge off the coast of Oregon/Washington. This link: http://www.marine-geo.org/portals/seismic/ is to a viewer similar to Google Maps (it is powered by Google) with the typical Google Maps controls. There is also a wealth of information on that site. They also offer the GeoMapApp and VirtualOceans (Java downloads) which are stand alone alone programs which integrate with each other as well as with NASA's WorldWind(?) app. There's so much data it's almost overwhelming. They also took magnetometer readings (integrated data for the apps). Sorry! I haven't explored it enough to offer Mercator coordinates for Vance Ridge but play with the map and you'll find it quickly.
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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:59 pm

Thanks Dragoneye. That's pretty cool! Never seen that one before. Will add it to the resources thread...

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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:15 pm

Hmm, off the coast of central oregon, I see President Jackson Seamount. Though I'm pretty sure it's not exactly the same.

Vance Seamount, on the other hand a bit NW of President Jackson Seamount seems to be a pretty good match.

Good call Dragoneye.

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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby MGmirkin » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:38 pm

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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby davesmith_au » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:50 pm

So let's have an on-site image to look at...

vance_seamount.jpg
Vance Seamount


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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby Lloyd » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:18 pm

- Thanks, folks, for finding all that. Ain't the internet great?
- Here are the images I like best so far:
http://www.mbari.org/data/mapping/seamounts/vance.htm
http://www.mbari.org/data/mapping/seamounts/axial.htm
http://www.mbari.org/data/mapping/seamounts/presjackson.htm
- This one resembles a TPOD of a bullseye crater on the second mound from the lower left: http://www.mbari.org/data/mapping/seamounts/images/PresJacksonA_pers.jpg
- This webpage mentions erratics on some of the mounds, transported by kelp etc. Is there a better explanation for the erratics? http://www.mbari.org/volcanism/Seamounts/Seam-Eclectic.htm
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Re: Like Mars "Volcano", Olympus Mons, but on Earth

Unread postby MGmirkin » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:40 am

Really? I'm rather partial to the two latter ones I provided above. On account of their relatively high res look at the features...

http://www.mbari.org/volcanism/Seamount ... rRidge.htm
http://www.mbari.org/expeditions/vance/Aug2.htm

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Chile Volcano Erupts With Ash and Lightning

Unread postby substance » Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:10 am

I know that there was some thread about Electric Universe`s part in Volcanism, but I don`t seem to be able to find it.
This is a very beautiful image of the May 2. eruption of chile`s Chaitin volcano. I first saw it a few issues back in New Scientist and now it`s in National Geographic`s november issue. I think it`s a really amazing photograph!

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