Earth Was a Moon of Saturn

[Tansi]

I understood that the plasma event of Squatter Man took place in the southern sky. (is it possible to get a copy of the mapped rock carvings Peratt made for his study?)

But what confuses me is if it's in the south, how does it relate to Saturn which was supposed to be held in the North (north star location)?

Did Squatter man appear as the system was breaking up, Saturn pulling away - and how? Why would there be a plasma event in the south if the 'action' was in the north. I'm totally ignorant of electricity and how things form circuits so that could be part of my confusion.

If someone can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

[GenesisAria]

I'm not going to get into the details as to why i suggest this change, as it's largely intuitive, but anyone who works with plasma physics can see why i may have suggested it. It also accounts for variations of the symbolism, due to the different perspectives people may have had, or the differing visibility of the other polarity of the plasma formations.

[Aes Sedai]

Hello,

I have become enthralled by the electric universe theory. It matches my views on things far more than the mainstream scientific theories have. I have questioned so much of these theories, because they never provide evidence. Never.

My favorite thing about the electric universe theory is the way assumptions are not treated as fact. However, this leaves me with a few questions, because I feel like other assumption may be being treated as facts. Everything about the electric universe adds up, until we start talking about past solar system configurations based on cave drawings. I want to understand this better, but presently I feel like there are assumptions I can't line up with evidence. I want to.

I am not playing devil's advocate. I am asking how to understand this better and giving the reasons I am failing to understand it, because I would like to know what I may be missing. I have watched every electric universe video on the Youtube channel and have been thoroughly spellbound. Now, with no intent to offend, I will ask my questions, because I really want to know.

If ancient people all drew similar drawings, how do we know they were drawings of what they saw in the sky?

Assuming (this is an assumption) that they were all drawing similar things they saw in the sky, I will stipulate the next assumption that what they saw were planets interacting with one another. Why is it assumed that the planets were close? Why did these images have to be enormous in the sky. If planets were at their present distances from Earth and experienced the same assumed electrical discharge patterns that we assume ancient men drew on stone, the patterns would still be visible, they would simply be smaller in the sky. To an observer, they would still be remarkable!

I keep seeing videos that assume the planets were all close together. Why? Even if they were on closer orbits, they could be on the opposite side of the sun which would put them at enormous distances. I suppose they would pass close to one another occasionally in their orbits, though.

Why is it assumed that Earth and Venus had to interact with Mars in order for a planetary electrical discharge to make changes to the Martian surface? We have an entire asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter that could have been a planet that interacted with Mars to create the same effects, but could have been far more devastating to the planet which became the asteroid belt. That is me assuming. But I am also questioning why this assumption isn't ever addressed? I really want to know. Maybe I am asking stupid questions.

I have also seen the assumption put forth that Earth and Mars were planets of the sun Saturn. We then came under the Sun's influence, which quenched Saturn's sun like activity when our current sun took that role and the Earth and Mars took orbital positions around the Sun. Thornhill said that Saturn was a brown dwarf star that was captured by our current sun. He called it Prot-Saturn's capture.

I want to believe that Earth was a planet revolving around the brown dwarf star Saturn and that we were captured by our present sun and that ancient humans saw incredible electrical displays that they immortalized on stone in drawings, but I don't know where the evidence is. Did a lot of people draw similar drawings? Sure. Does that mean Saturn was a star? No. Is the theory better than anything Stephen Hawking has to offer? Absolutely! But I really want more. I refuse to "believe" anything in science. As a Christian, I "believe" only one thing based on faith. I admit it. I believe so much of what the electric universe model has to offer, but struggle with the guess work that puts all of our planets together for a certain period of time, as we transition from a brown dwarf star to our current sun, without dying.

In a nut shell, I see the electric universe explained as it is, beautifully. It is pretty much undeniable. But I get anxious where I am asked to "believe" in past events that are not supported by evidence. Perhaps I have missed the evidence. So, that is what I am asking for.

Thank you!

[Webbman]

I think you would need the thunderbolts team to answer those questions so I cant help you there.

I can welcome you to the boards though!

give it some time and take a look around, you might find the information your looing for.

[Aes Sedai]

Thank you very much! I want to learn more. I have more questions than answers, I'm afraid!

[LunarSabbathTruth]

Hello,
.... Why is it assumed that Earth and Venus had to interact with Mars in order for a planetary electrical discharge to make changes to the Martian surface? ....

Because the ancient witnesses identified the planets involved by name.

The Greek poet said that it happened at the time of the Trojan War, and that Venus inflicted a scar upon Mars.

- joe

[Aes Sedai]

I mean scientific evidence that Venus was close to Earth. I understand that there is hearsay evidence based on interpretations of the drawings. People today interpret the Constitution of the United States to get the exact opposite meaning of what it says if they just read it. Interpretations can lead to any conclusion. I don't think we have actual evidence that someone in the past said that Venus came close to Earth or Mars. Even if they did, it wouldn't be admissible in a court let alone as scientific evidence. Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a naysayer. I just want tangible evidence. I see hope that there is evidence whereas I see nothing but grasping at straws and money when it comes to the main stream Big Bang theorists. So, I understand where ancient drawings with similarities could lead one to interpret certain things, but I want actual evidence. That said, I believe that the scarring on Mars and all of the similar cratering on other planets, asteroids and comets are clear signs of electrical discharge. I just haven't been convinced of where it came from. I also see a haunting asteroid belt that I don't think broke up for no reason. It seems that the one thing that could have been a planet that was utterly destroyed by an electrical exchange between planets, is left out of the discussion.

[Younger Dryas]

Where did the Star Saturn come from?

Where did its orbit originate?

Was Jupiter ever apart of the original Dwarf Star?


https://www.hindawi.com/journals/janthro/2011/569120/fig1/

Wasn't She/They beautiful. Their orbit became shorter and shorter. A decent estimate would be to hold the figurines at arms length --- they measure roughly 3.5cms in height. The curious observer may even be able to spot when they collected the planets Mars/Mercury. (her feet). "If the central religious figure of our ancestors was a woman giving birth to a child, and not as in our time, a man dying on the cross, it would not be unreasonable to infer that life and the love of life -- rather than death and the fear of death; were dominant in society as well as art." -Raine Eisler

I'd say we got shut out of Saturns plasmasheath a very long time ago... 65 Million years ago? Chronology's always a fanciful affair. But the geological record certainly points to it.

https://goo.gl/images/MyYTae
Its the origin of design gentlemen that points the way. So simple yet always so illusive. Flintstones, Homo Erectus Hand Axes. The attention to detail, Meticulous. The design replicated over and over. Only the size of stone changes. For the better part of 1million years the same thing is created. Completely useless when attempting to take down a gazelle, their devotion to what was seen ... was unwavering. Like seeds they universally echo "Don't forget who we are, where we come from. Don't forget how we came to be"

What was this great dance about if not for us to observe?

[moses]

Hi Aes Sedai,
if one looks up 'asteroids' then one sees that there is mostly two types of asteroids. Although this could have been core and crust or mantle, the possibility that two planets were involved leads one to examine the planets and moons to see if a lot of material was missing from them.

Cheers,
Mo

[ConsciousNutshell]

Regards,
I'm a newcomer here, and I've been researching for sometime about electric universe and planetary formation. I have a lot of questions to ask about solar system formation (Saturn's Polar Configuration and capture by the Sun).

- As far as I know, there are several different setups of planets (Cardona, Talbott, Thornhill, Yukteswar's binary model, Jno Cook, Grubaugh, R. Bass...). In some of these arrangements planets are aligned in a stack, and are supposed not to revolve arround its parent orb (I guess Birkeland currents are involved in that). Can anybody provide links to peer reviewed papers where some of these possibilities are explained? [I mean position of bodies, parent orbits, distance to Saturn or the Sun during the capture, presence of Sun in the moment of capture -disruption of Saturn system- and son on.

Would it be possible to get an orbital software simulator accounting for electrical forces (with change of mass' measure according to Thornhill) similar to Sandbox Universe or the like? [I mean a non-Newtonian one].

- Are you aware of scientific papers about planet formation in plasma nebulas (Herg Haros) probably by z-pinch effect, and Marklund convection?

- Then I may post some threads about the timing about these events (start of polar configuration in a Herbig-Haro, capture by Sun...). Other issues might be related to pole shift (rotation axis destabilization) and how it would affect ancient cultures.

Thanks very much.