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Re: Saturn puzzles

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:57 am

StevenJay wrote:
Nature, it turns out, has a far greater imagination than any mere human.

Uh, Phil? For one thing, nature and mere humans are one and the same. :o Additionally, it's not that nature has a far greater imagination, it's just that, well, yours seems to be in stand-by mode. :(

On this we agree.

One could ask Plaitt what is nature and how does it come have an imagination.
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Re: Saturn puzzles

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:59 pm

We have seen moonlet/ring interaction before, but the transmission was interupted by RF noise during the arc discharge portion of the event. The rings (ionised flywheels?) must be quite dense, or the moonlet quite light (hollow?) to have reacted so strongly.

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Re: Saturn puzzles

Unread postby solrey » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:49 am

That is wicked cool. :o
What's the source of that animation? Details please.
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Re: Saturn puzzles

Unread postby GaryN » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:08 pm

What's the source of that animation? Details please.

wanderingspace.net according to the image details. Haven't looked at the site myself yet!
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Re: Saturn puzzles

Unread postby keeha » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:52 pm

http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/03/s ... ets-rings/
This novel illumination geometry, which occurs every half-Saturn-year, or about 15 Earth years, lowers the sun’s angle to the ring plane and causes out-of-plane structures to cast long shadows across the rings’ broad expanse, making them easy to detect.

In recent weeks, Cassini’s cameras have spotted not only the predictable shadows of some of Saturn’s moons, but also the shadows of newly revealed vertical structures in the rings themselves.
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Re: Saturn puzzles

Unread postby solrey » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:28 am

The title of the animation is:
Prometheus Desturbs a Ring. (Does anyone know how to spell these days?) :roll:

There have been some nice NASA animations of the interaction between some “shepard” moons and the rings, but this has to be the most impressive. There are some blank frames in there for gaps in the data… but the effect is still easy to follow.

Another video of Prometheus getting bounced by the rings.

Looks like we're seeing electro-magnetic attraction at a distance and repulsion at nearness in action, with these two animations. Complete with a little discharge activity. Sweeeeeettttt
Probably what caused the disturbance that's got poor 'ole Phil so befuddled.

Relax, Phil Plait <name calling deleted--mod>, we've got it figured out, <deleted--mod>. :lol:
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Speaking of Titan. . .

Unread postby StevenJay » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:01 am

Stormy Weather on [url2=http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090812-titan-clouds.html]Titan[/url2] That "Shouldn't Be There."

"The models predicted that the equatorial region should be very dry [ I'm trying to envision a moist region in Titan's enviroment. . .] and should not support cloud formation," said astronomer Henry Roe of Lowell Observatory in Arizona. "But this episode created clouds over both the equator and the south pole. We don't know what set off that sequence, but something gave a pretty good kick [shock. . .?] to the atmosphere."
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Re: Saturn puzzles

Unread postby Total Science » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:13 pm

Poor Phil.

My dog has a more scientific view of the universe than that moron.

"I can't remember a single thing V [Velikovsky] said in his book 'Worlds in Collision' that was astronomically correct. " -- Phil Plait, writer, March 2005

In other words, Phil Plait believes that Venus is a freezing cold ice world like the Hoth System in the Empire Strikes Back.

Here's another whopper:

"Magnetism is ... a joke in astronomy...." -- Phil Plait, writer, August 2008

"The ancients possessed a plasma cosmology and physics themselves, and from laboratory experiments, were well familiar with the patterns exhibited by Peratt's petroglyphs." -- Joseph P. Farrell, author, 2007
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Re: Saturn Currently Stormy.

Unread postby keeha » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:16 am

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... ecord.html
A powerful lightning storm brewing in Saturn's atmosphere since January has become the solar system's longest continuously observed thunderstorm, astronomers have announced.

The storm breaks the record duration of 7.5 months set by another thunderstorm observed on Saturn by NASA's Cassini spacecraft between November 2007 and July 2008.

The current thunderstorm on Saturn is the ninth that has been measured since Cassini swung into orbit around Saturn in July 2004.

Lightning discharges in Saturn's atmosphere emit very powerful radio waves, which are measured by the antennas and receivers of the Cassini Radio and Plasma Wave Science (RPWS) instrument.

About the previous storm that started this thread:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... storm.html
"We saw similar storms in 2004 and 2006 that each lasted for nearly a month, but this storm is longer-lived by far," said Georg Fischer, an associate with Cassini's radio and plasma wave science team at the University of Iowa, Iowa City, in a statement. "And it appeared after nearly two years during which we did not detect any electrical storm activity from Saturn."
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Re: Saturn Currently Stormy.

Unread postby seasmith » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:35 pm



Lightning storms on Saturn usually occur in a region that nicknamed "Storm Alley" by scientists, which lies 35 degrees south of Saturn’s equator.
Dr Fischer commented, “The reason why we see lightning in this peculiar location is not completely clear. It could be that this latitude is one of the few places in Saturn’s atmosphere that allow large-scale vertical convection of water clouds, which is necessary for thunderstorms to develop. However, it may be a seasonal effect. Voyager observed lightning storms near the equator, so now that Saturn has passed its equinox on 11 August, we may see the storms move back to equatorial latitudes.”
Saturn’s role as the source of lightning was given added confirmation during Cassini’s last close flyby of Titan on August 25. During the half hour that Cassini’s view of Saturn was obscured by Titan, no lightning was observed. “Although we know from Cassini images where Saturn lightning comes from, this unique event was another nice proof for their origin.” said Dr Fischer.

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Telescope Discovers Largest Ring Around Saturn

Unread postby Tzunamii » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:35 am


"This is one supersized ring," said Anne Verbiscer, an astronomer at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville. "If you could see the ring, it would span the width of two full moons' worth of sky, one on either side of Saturn."

The ring itself is tenuous, made up of a thin array of ice and dust particles.

A plasma perhaps?
The ring would be difficult to see with visible-light telescopes. Its particles are diffuse and may even extend beyond the bulk of the ring material all the way in to Saturn and all the way out to interplanetary space. The relatively small numbers of particles in the ring wouldn't reflect much visible light, especially out at Saturn where sunlight is weak.

"The particles are so far apart that if you were to stand in the ring, you wouldn't even know it," said Verbiscer.

Isn't the diffuseness of the dust, and the fact that this dust is "captured" by Saturn (is suspended in a ring, not gravitationally drawn to the planet, or blown away by the solar wind) indicative of an electrical process?

An artist's concept of the newfound ring is online at
The ring is so diffuse that it reflects little sunlight, or visible light that we see with our eyes. But its dusty particles shine with infrared light, or heat radiation, that Spitzer can see.

From where does this dust get its heat energy from if it is merely ice and dust floating in the vacuum of cold space?
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And Here goes the Fairy Tale of the Roche Limit.

Unread postby FS3 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:48 am

And here goes the gravitational fairy tale of the Roche Limit that depends only on GRAVITATIONAL CALCULATIONS. As we are supposed to know "planetary rings are situated within the Roche Limit" - as you can read at Wiki and similar "educational" sites.

Moreover, the angle of this newly discovered ring towards the inner rings is exactly the tilt of Saturn's equatorial plane: 27°...

A perfect electrical balance.

Another proof that ELECTRICITY is the primary building force in the Universe.

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electrical circuit between iapetus, Pheobe and the ring

Unread postby MattEU » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:52 am

Same article but worth highlighting

The bright and dark side of iapetus (dark is Cassini Regio and light is Roncevaux Terra)

Saturn's newest addition could explain how Cassini Regio came to be. The ring is circling in the same direction as Phoebe, while Iapetus, the other rings and most of Saturn's moons are all going the opposite way. According to the scientists, some of the dark and dusty material from the outer ring moves inward toward Iapetus, slamming the icy moon like bugs on a windshield.

"Astronomers have long suspected that there is a connection between Saturn's outer moon Phoebe and the dark material on Iapetus," said Hamilton. "This new ring provides convincing evidence of that relationship."

So what is the connection in a Gravity Universe? Ahhh will it be some sort of magnetic connection?
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Re: Telescope Discovers Largest Ring Around Saturn

Unread postby 4realScience » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:38 pm

Gaslight Crisis!

Isn't this a major crises for the gaslight astronomers in charge of mainstream astronomy? Are they meeting through the night even now? Will they propose some new expensive projects to detect the nearly invisible and many manifold shepherd moons that must carry the RING and maintain its 27 degree tilt? The resonance-locked or captured comets that must perturb, synchronize, and circularize the moons with their slingshots around Saturn? The great new quantum-entangled ultra-computer that is to come that will model and predict where to find the elusive shepherds, comets, their epicycles, and filigree? Sadly, these will take decades and space probes to bring to fruition (by which time the gaslighters will be able to retire in great dignity). Crisis becomes gravy train. (Idea! Find a role for LIGO in this too? Why not! It's not doing anything, still costing, and starting to stink a little.)
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Re: Telescope Discovers Largest Ring Around Saturn

Unread postby allynh » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:25 pm

I posted about this on another thread since I think it has implications concerning the new EU video "Symbols of an Alien Sky".

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I'll leave it up to the moderators if they want to move that post here. Thanks...
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