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Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: Electric Moon

Unread post by kiwi » Tue May 28, 2013 3:51 am

Great find Gary :D

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Re: Electric Moon

Unread post by GaryN » Thu May 30, 2013 11:55 am

Hi kiwi,
It seems there are a number of papers by plasma scientists that suggest their lab scale findings could also be applied at the cosmic scale, providing perfectly scientifically sound alternative interpretations of many of the features that astronomers believe to be from impactors, gravity based models, and reliance on dark something-or-other to fill the gaps when things don't add up as they believe they should. I think it would be much more productive to start out with the plasma/electric explanation of almost all solar system or larger scale observations, and then insisting that astronomers show why the plasma/electric causes could NOT be responsible. I don't think they could.

Now 'they' want you to believe they have figured out how the Lunar mascons came about, by impacts of course.

Team solves the origin of the Moon's 'mascons' mystery
"We now know the ancient moon must have been much hotter than it is now and the crust thinner than we thought," he said. "For the first time we can figure out what size asteroids hit the moon by looking at the basins left behind and the gravity signature of the areas. We now have tools to figure out more about the heavy asteroid bombardment and what the ancient Earth may have faced."
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-05-team-moon- ... y.html#jCp

Well what about some magneto-dielectric shock metamorphosis and melting from discharge EMPs instead?
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Re: Electric Moon

Unread post by meemoe_uk » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:59 am

I thought it was worth adding some plain old Google Moon pics of lunar craters. It's plain evidence that some craters are electrically active while nearby neighbour craters are not.


It seems once a crater is active, it start producing new material - i.e. it starts to morph from looking like a crater to looking like a volcano.

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Re: Electric Moon

Unread post by Sparky » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:01 am

There was an "impact" on the moon not too long ago. Has anyone seen an image of any crater it may have formed? :?
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Re: Electric Moon

Unread post by meemoe_uk » Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:19 am

There was a bright and short flash.
It would have been much like the one we got in russia.
There will be a small crater made i expect. Moon craters scale all the way down to millimetres.
Cratering is an every day process, so its no big event really.

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Moon dust

Unread post by rory88 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:51 pm

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Re: Moon dust

Unread post by viscount aero » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:08 pm

Was the alleged glow sighted by the astronauts backlit by the sun or was it spotted in a region not aligned with the sunrise?

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Re: Moon dust

Unread post by D_Archer » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:59 am

Ideas about what?

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Re: Moon dust

Unread post by allynh » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:18 am

This is the article without the ads. HA!

The LADEE experiment needs to be watched on many levels. Not just about the moon dust study, but the laser communication system they are using.

NASA to send rocket on 30-day mission to the moon to investigate 'evil' lunar dust
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -dust.html
NASA to launch Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Experiment - LADEE

Rocket takes off from Wallops Island, Virginia on Friday night

Spacecraft to investigate possibility of electrically charged dust
PUBLISHED: 10:24 EST, 5 September 2013 | UPDATED: 13:11 EST, 5 September 2013

It has been over four decades since NASA left the moon, but now the space agency is at it again.

NASA is launching a small rocket to investigate an unusual discovery made by the crew on Apollo 17 – moon dust.

Crews reported seeing an odd glow on the lunar horizon just before sunrise, an unexpected sight as the airless moon lacked atmosphere for reflecting sunlight.

Scientists began to suspect that dust from the lunar surface was being electrically charged and somehow lofted off the ground, a theory that will be tested by the NASA’s upcoming Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Experiment – LADEE.

The spacecraft is scheduled for lift off late Friday night local time, from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility on Wallops Island, Virginia.

‘Terrestrial dust is like talcum powder. On the moon, it's very rough. It's kind of evil. It follows electric field lines, it works its way in equipment.

‘It's a very difficult environment to deal with,’ said LADEE project manager Butler Hine of NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California.
Mystery light: These photographs from the moon's surface just before sunrise are the origin of the moon dust mystery
The origins of the lunar glow, comes from a NASA report from 1974 entitled 'Evidence for a high altitude distribution of lunar dust' which exhibits Apollo 17 Commander Eugene Cernan's sketches as he describes a unusual 'glow' as Apollo 17 approached the orbital sunrise.

During the 1972 mission, astronaut Cernan drew what he saw on a note pad, describing the event in words as a light that ‘came from non existense [sic] to subtle in nature then just before sunrise quickly sharp’
Apollo 17, launched in December 1972, was final moon landing carried out by NASA under the Apollo programme.

Austronaut Cernan and his two crew members spent three days on the lunar surface, before returning to earth.

At last year’s 40th anniversary of their trip to the moon, Cernan – to this day the last human to walk the moon – admitted he left his camera on its surface.

‘I left my camera there with the lens pointing up at the zenith, the idea being someday someone would come back and find out how much deterioration solar cosmic radiation had on the glass,’ he said at the time of the anniversary.

Cernan, now 79, did not think his would be the last footprints on the moon, but due to NASA cutbacks, the Apollo programme was closed before another manned mission was made.
However, as there is no wind on the moon to lift the dust, scientists believe solar radiation could leave the particles electronically charged during the day, and once colliding with negative particles, the dust particles repel each other, ‘like strands of hair rubbed by a balloon,’ Scientific American reported.

In addition to studying fly-away lunar dust, LADEE will probe the tenuous envelope of gases that surrounds the moon, a veneer so thin it stretches the meaning of the word ‘atmosphere.’

Instead, scientists refer to these environments as exospheres and hope that understanding the moon's gaseous shell will shed light on similar pockets around Mercury, asteroids and other airless bodies.

‘LADEE is part of a much broader scientific exploration of the solar system,’ said John Grunsfeld, NASA's associate administrator for science.

The $280 million mission also includes an experimental laser optical communications system that NASA hopes to incorporate into future planetary probes, including a Mars rover scheduled for launch in 2020.

The prototype is based on technology used in terrestrial fiber-optic communications systems, such as Verizon's FiOS.

NASA says the system should be at least six times faster than conventional radio communications. Also, its transmitters and receivers weigh half as much as similar radio communications equipment and use 25 per cent less power.

‘On the Earth, we've been using laser communication and fiber optics to power our Internet and everything else for the last couple of decades,’ Grunsfeld said.

‘NASA has really been wanting to make that same technological leap and put it into space. This is our chance to do that.’

LADEE's optical communications system, which includes three ground stations in addition to LADEE, will be tested before the probe drops into a low lunar orbit to begin its science mission about 60 days after launch.

Just getting to the moon will take LADEE 30 days - 10 times longer than the Apollo missions due to the probe's relatively low-powered Minotaur 5 launcher.

The rocket is comprised of three refurbished intercontinental ballistic missile motors and two commercially provided boosters. The Minotaur 5 configuration will be flying for the first time with LADEE.

The use of decommissioned missile components drove the decision to fly from NASA's Wallops Island facility, one of only a few launch sites permitted to fly refurbished ICBMs under U.S.-Russian arms control agreements.

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Re: Moon dust

Unread post by allynh » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:08 am

The important part to watch on this mission is not just the dust study, but the laser communication system.

Radio is coarse compared to laser. You can have all sorts of variation in motion of the space craft hidden by that coarseness. Once they start using lasers to communicate they will start picking up that variation in motion and will not be able to explain it away as they have tried to do with the Pioneer space craft, etc...

The EU Team needs to watch the laser communications study as the years go by.

NASA Launches Rocket Carrying LADEE Spacecraft To Moon From Virginia (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/0 ... 83990.html
NASA's newest robotic explorer rocketed into space late Friday in an unprecedented moonshot from Virginia.

The LADEE spacecraft, which is charged with studying the lunar atmosphere and dust, soared aboard an unmanned Minotaur rocket a little before midnight.

It was a change of venue for NASA, which normally launches moon missions from Cape Canaveral, Fla. But it provided a rare light show along the East Coast for those blessed with clear skies.

NASA expected the launch from Virginia's Eastern Shore to be visible, weather permitting, as far south as South Carolina, as far north as Maine and as far west as Pittsburgh.

The Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer or LADEE, pronounced "LA'dee," is taking a roundabout path to the moon, making three huge laps around Earth before getting close enough to pop into lunar orbit.

Unlike the quick three-day Apollo flights to the moon, LADEE will need a full month to reach Earth's closest neighbor. An Air Force Minotaur V rocket, built by Orbital Sciences Corp., provided the ride from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility.

LADEE, which is the size of a small car, is expected to reach the moon on Oct. 6.

Scientists want to learn the composition of the moon's ever-so-delicate atmosphere and how it might change over time. Another puzzle, dating back decades, is whether dust actually levitates from the lunar surface.

The $280 million moon-orbiting mission will last six months and end with a suicide plunge into the moon for LADEE.

The 844-pound spacecraft has three science instruments as well as laser communication test equipment that could revolutionize data relay. NASA hopes to eventually replace its traditional radio systems with laser communications, which would mean faster bandwidth using significantly less power and smaller devices.

"There's no question that as we send humans farther out into the solar system, certainly to Mars," that laser communications will be needed to send high-definition and 3-D video, said NASA's science mission chief, John Grunsfeld, a former astronaut who worked on the Hubble Space Telescope.

It was a momentous night for Wallops, which was making its first deep-space liftoff. All of its previous launches were confined to Earth orbit.

NASA chose Wallops for LADEE because of the Minotaur V rocket, comprised of converted intercontinental ballistic missile motors belonging to the Air Force. A U.S.-Russian treaty limits the number of launch sites because of the missile parts.

All but one of NASA's previous moon missions since 1959, including the manned Apollo flights of the late 1960s and early 1970s, originated from Cape Canaveral. The most recent were the twin Grail spacecraft launched almost exactly two years ago. The military-NASA Clementine rocketed away from Southern California in 1994.

Wallops will be back in the spotlight in less than two weeks. The Virginia-based Orbital Sciences will make its first delivery to the International Space Station, using its own Antares rocket and Cygnus capsule. That commercial launch is scheduled for Sept. 17.



NASA: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ladee/main/index.html

Orbital Sciences Corp.: http://tinyurl.com/n6jtpcm

Lunar and Planetary Institute: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions

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Re: Moon dust

Unread post by allynh » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:55 pm

Keep an eye on these Wiki pages as the missions occur.

Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer
The Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer (LADEE) is a lunar exploration mission led by NASA Ames Research Center in collaboration with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. It was launched on a Minotaur V from the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport on September 6, 2013.[4] During its nominal 100 day science mission, LADEE will orbit around the Moon's equator, and use instruments aboard the spacecraft to study the lunar exosphere and dust in the Moon's vicinity. Instruments include a dust detector, a neutral mass spectrometer, and an ultraviolet-visible spectrometer, as well as a technology demonstration comprising of a laser communications (lasercomm) terminal.[5]
LADEE carries three science instruments and a technology demonstration.

The science payload consists of:

Neutral Mass Spectrometer (NMS), that will perform in situ measurements of exospheric species. The instrument has heritage from the SAM instrument on the Mars Science Laboratory.

UV-Vis Spectrometer (UVS), that will measure both the dust and exosphere. The instrument has heritage from the UV-Vis spectrometer on the LCROSS mission.

Lunar Dust EXperiment (LDEX), that will directly measure dust. The instrument has heritage from instruments on Galileo, Ulysses and Cassini.

LADEE also carries a technology demonstration payload for testing an optical communication system. The Lunar Laser Com Demo (LLCD) will use a laser to transmit and receive data as pulses of light, much the same as data is transferred in a fibre optic cable, to three ground stations. This method of communication has the potential to provide five times the current data return, as compared to radio frequency communication,[16][17] from both LADEE and future missions. The technology is a direct predecessor to NASA's Laser Communication Data Relay (LCDR) satellite due to launch in 2017.[18][19]
Laser Communication Relay Demonstration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Comm ... onstration
The Laser Communications Relay Demonstration (LCRD) is a NASA mission to use laser light to transfer data from orbit to ground and all around the solar system.[1]

The LCRD mission was selected for development in 2011, with launch on board a commercial satellite scheduled for 2017.[2] The technology demonstration payload will be positioned above the equator, a prime location for line-of-sight to other orbiting satellites and ground stations. Space laser communications technology has the potential to provide 10 to 100 times higher data rates than traditional radio frequency systems for the same mass and power. Alternatively, numerous NASA studies have shown that a laser communications system will use less mass and power than a radio frequency system for the same data rate.[3]
Overview of the Laser Communications Relay
http://www.spaceops2012.org/proceedings ... er-001.pdf

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Re: Moon dust

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Water on Moon's Surface that Hints at Water Below

Unread post by Ben D » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:11 pm

NASA-Funded Scientists Detect Water on Moon's Surface that Hints at Water Below

by Staff Writers Moffett Field CA (SPX) Sep 09, 2013

The detection of internal water from orbit means scientists can begin to test some of the findings from sample studies in a broader context, including in regions that are far from where the Apollo sites are clustered on the near side of the moon. For many years, researchers believed that the rocks from the moon were bone-dry and any water detected in the Apollo samples had to be contamination from Earth.

NASA-funded lunar research has yielded evidence of water locked in mineral grains on the surface of the moon from an unknown source deep beneath the surface.

Using data from NASA's Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3) instrument aboard the Indian Space Research Organization's Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft, scientists remotely detected magmatic water, or water that originates from deep within the moon's interior, on the surface of the moon.

The findings, published in Nature Geoscience, represent the first detection of this form of water from lunar orbit. Earlier studies had shown the existence of magmatic water in lunar samples returned during the Apollo program.

M3 imaged the lunar impact crater Bullialdus, which lies near the lunar equator. Scientists were interested in studying this area because they could better quantify the amount of water inside the rocks due to the crater's location and the type of rocks it held. The central peak of the crater is made up of a type of rock that forms deep within the lunar crust and mantle when magma is trapped underground.

"This rock, which normally resides deep beneath the surface, was excavated from the lunar depths by the impact that formed Bullialdus crater," said Rachel Klima, a planetary geologist at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) in Laurel, Md.

"Compared to its surroundings, we found that the central portion of this crater contains a significant amount of hydroxyl - a molecule consisting of one oxygen atom and one hydrogen atom -- which is evidence that the rocks in this crater contain water that originated beneath the lunar surface," Klima said.

In 2009, M3 provided the first mineralogical map of the lunar surface and discovered water molecules in the polar regions of the moon. This water is thought to be a thin layer formed from solar wind hitting the moon's surface. Bullialdus crater is in a region with an unfavorable environment for solar wind to produce significant amounts of water on the surface.

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Re: Moon dust

Unread post by rory88 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:40 am

I'm unsure if it was in the light of the sun but I assume it was
Just any thoughts people had on it really
Cheers for the full article
Cheers for the link I also doubt wind could have lifted the dust up so high as there isn't much of non solar wind on the moon
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Re: Moon dust

Unread post by rory88 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:43 am

'After separating from the Minotaur, high electrical currents were detected in the satellite's reaction wheels causing them to be shut down. There is no indication of a fault, and the reason for the high electrical currents will be investigated. It was suggested that the initial current parameter may have been set too low.'
Is this just a problem with the equipment?
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