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Electric Moon

Historic planetary instability and catastrophe. Evidence for electrical scarring on planets and moons. Electrical events in today's solar system. Electric Earth.

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Re: Electric Moon

Unread postby GaryN » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:48 am

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Re: Electric Moon

Unread postby flyingcloud » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:12 am

Furthermore, when can we use this to challenge the "dirty snowball" comet theory and change the offgassing of volitiles in the solar wind to the creation of volitiles from the solar-comet interaction.
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Re: Electric Moon

Unread postby GaryN » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:19 am

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Bright Explosion on the Moon

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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby ElecGeekMom » Fri May 17, 2013 3:32 pm

I vote for institutional boilerplate.

I find it hard to believe that molten lava from an impact would make that big of a light, especially at this distance.
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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby GaryN » Sat May 18, 2013 11:13 am

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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby 4realScience » Sat May 18, 2013 2:55 pm

They say it was an impact but where is the trace of the flight path? All they really have is that there was a meteor shower that passed near Earth and some through its atmosphere at about the right time to imply another of the group made the hit.

Let's say it really was a meteor hit. Since we now have the Lunar Orbiter imager up, it will soon capture a good image. What will we see? If it was a meteor should we not see an elliptical crater with debris thrown in the direction of impact? What if, instead we see another perfectly circular crater and no debris?

Isn't this the FIRST such crater where we saw it happen then we get a closeup photo right away?
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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby starbiter » Sat May 18, 2013 3:06 pm

Because the flash was quick, it seems dust is ruled out. A dust cloud would linger. As Gary mentioned above, heat from impact seems inadequate for a flash to be visible from a minimum of 220,000 miles away. That would leave an electrical event. A rock charged differently than the Moon discharging in the air, or at impact.

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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby justcurious » Sat May 18, 2013 3:32 pm

As far as I know....
Amateur astronomers have been observing these flashes for a long time.
Until recently, lunar flashes were dismissed as imagination, camera artefacts, and other lame excuses.
With the digital age and internet, and amateur astronomers catching stuff on video, looks like the so-called "TLP" (Transient Lunar Phenomenon) are being recognized as a real (and common) event. Here's what Wikipedia says about TLPs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_lunar_phenomenon
I was researching this a while back, and found that NASA has a program whereby amateur astronomers around the world can submit their images and videos. However NASA do not apparently share this gathered information publicly.The website to the NASA program is here: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/lunar/

I have seen some of the videos on youtube (there are only one or two vidoes on the above NASA link).
The standard theory goes something like this: the meteor impacts the moon, and due to kinetic energy, melts the lunar ground and thus gives off a glow. The problem with this is that anyone can see, that the flashes resemble more a camera flash than red hot lava, and the flashes appear disproportionate to the meteor's size. To my eyes, it looks like static electricity, just on a larger scale.
I could not find any details on the size of these meteors, however there are some pretty good observations and data on meteors and fireballs entering the Earth's atmosphere. they tend to "burst" or vaporize in mid-air, with only small fragments reaching the ground (and not leaving any craters).
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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby GaryN » Sun May 19, 2013 10:19 am

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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby PersianPaladin » Tue May 21, 2013 1:53 am

The explosion "looks" like a camera flash because the instrumentation that was observing the Moon is only capable of showing black and white or grey-scale images. I doubt there is full-colour imagery available of the impact. So it could well still be a flash from kinetic energy, but I am open-minded about it to be honest.
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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby fatarsemonkey » Thu May 23, 2013 7:02 am

Did any of the apollo missions leave behind any equipment for registering electrical activity on the moon like we use for lightning tracking on earth? Not that I think they would be looking for lightning but any activity. Is there equipment sensitive enough to register a discharge before impact? Would it be possible to track it from the earth?
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Re: Bright Explosion on the Moon

Unread postby scotts » Sun May 26, 2013 9:31 am

The bright flash not unlike when deep impact met up with the comet.

http://www.holoscience.com/wp/the-deep- ... e=hcabb8zj
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Re: Electric Moon

Unread postby GaryN » Mon May 27, 2013 4:22 pm

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