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Unread postby Zonei » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:10 am

Back during the last solar maximum, around September, October, for few consecutive years I'd see this special kind of electric storm, here in Europe. No sound at all, and extremely high frequency of cloud-to-could lightning, 1 to few per second. The effect was such that you could read from the amount of light constantly emitted. Yes, all such storms I experienced were during the night.

I saw only few such storms in my life. I didn't pay attention to the solar maximum 1988-1990, and I was too young for the 1978 maximum, so these storms I saw only in the 1999-2001 period.

Can anyone tell me what was that? Does it have a name, or is it just a typical (rare?) electric storm? Since I believe those storms had something to do with the solar maximum, because I didn't see anything similar from 2001 to today, and I _do_ observe every storm I'm in, because I'm fascinated by them -- I am looking forward to the next maximum. Meanwhile, I'd like to learn about them as much as possible.
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Re: A special case of electric storm?

Unread postby substance » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:09 am

How are you observing the sun storms? Any special equipment or just a telescope with filters?
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Re: A special case of electric storm?

Unread postby Zonei » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:06 pm

substance wrote:How are you observing the sun storms? Any special equipment or just a telescope with filters?


Would you be so kind, please, and actually read my post this time? Thank you.
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Re: A special case of electric storm?

Unread postby webolife » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:23 pm

Zonei,
You describe electrical storms I've seen in Seattle from time to time... like you, I "observe" every storm I'm in, but unlike you, I've not been "smart" enough to try to correlate them with the solar cycle... we had an electrical strom just like that about a month ago, but the last one I saw was perhaps a decade back. In Seattle we don't get thunderstorms very many times a year, and they are sometimes comparable to the phenomenal storms of the midwest that I've had occasion to experience, complete with rumbling, ice pellets (we don't really get much true hail here), and a good downpour. These "electrical storms" however are truly remarkable, even spooky, and great fun to just stand and look up at all the cloud-cloud lightning, with no thunder, and hardly any rain. I was wondering during this last one what kind of sprite activity may be happening above?
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Re: A special case of electric storm?

Unread postby Zonei » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:22 am

Well, my correlation with the solar maximum is one giant assumption based on the sole fact that I haven't seen a single storm like that since 8 or so years ago. If I happen to see them again in few years, I might say with more confidence that the correlation is really there. So far it only makes some kind of sense that the two are linked, because of the electrical nature of the sun which is not just a theory to me.

Next time I'll try to make a video, they're truly remarkable.
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Flux Transfer Event

Unread postby tolenio » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:13 pm

Hello,

NASA recently wrote about portals opening between the sun and the earth and called them Flux Transfer Events.

I have a question...

Could a sunspot simply be the sun rexperiencing a flux transfer event from the galactic core or other energy source outside the solar system?

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Just curious.

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Re: Flux Transfer Event

Unread postby Steve Smith » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:19 am

From Don Scott's website:

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/sun.htm

"In the Electric Sun model, as with any plasma discharge, tufting disappears wherever the flux of incoming electrons impinging onto a given area of the Sun's surface is not sufficiently strong to require the shielding produced by the plasma double layer. At any such location, the anode tufting collapses and we can see down to the actual anode surface of the Sun. Since there is no arc discharge occurring in these locations, they appear darker than the surrounding area and are termed 'sunspots'.

"Of course, if a tremendous amount of energy were being produced in the Sun's interior, the spot should be brighter and hotter than the surrounding photosphere. The fact that sunspots are dark and cool strongly supports the contention that very little, if anything, is going on in the Sun's interior. The center of the spot is called its umbra.

"Because there is no anode tufting where a spot is located, the voltage rise (region a to b in the energy plot above), which normally limits the local flow of positive ions leaving the anode surface, does not exist there. In sunspots, then, a large number of ions will flood outward toward the lower corona. Such a flow constitutes a large electrical current - and, as such, will produce a strong localized magnetic field near the sunspot."
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Re: Flux Transfer Event

Unread postby MGmirkin » Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:18 pm

And from Thornhill:

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http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=s9ke93mf

Thornhill wrote:...What causes a sunspot?

In the electrical model, the Sun receives electrical energy from interstellar space in the form of a glow discharge. Plasma experiments show that some energy will be stored in a donut shaped 'plasmoid' above the Sun's equator.


This sometimes also gets referred to as a "plasma torus" or "plasma donut" or some other similar term. Shouldn't be surprising, since Kristian Birkeland did experiments in the lab back in the early 1900's that showed may instances of equatorial plasma toruses around his terella under particular conditions. It may be that sunspots are simply touchdown points from the equatorial torus to the surface of the sun, as Thornhill goes on to suggest.

Thornhill wrote:The energy is released sporadically from the plasmoid to the mid-latitudes of the Sun. (Incidentally, plasmoid resonances may give rise to simultaneous flares on opposite sides of the central body, as recently reported on the Sun). The global tornado storm is pushed aside by more powerful charge sheath vortexes that deliver electrical energy from the plasmoid to much lower levels. The resulting holes in the tornado level, or photosphere, are what we call sunspots. Rather than being a site where energy flow has been restricted, a sunspot is a site where it is enhanced. That explains why 'they are launch pads for complex expulsions of plasma that race through the solar system.' The giant electrical tornadoes that form sunspots accelerate particles in their powerful electromagnetic fields, generating UV light and x-rays instead of visible light. However, because temperature is a measure of random motion, the field-directed motion of the particles within the sunspot vortex appears 'cool.'

This model can explain why sunspots of the same magnetic polarity are strangely attracted toward each other instead of being repelled. (Try pushing together two similar poles of two magnets). The sunspots are receiving electric current flowing in parallel rotating streams, which results in their being mutually attracted over long distances and repelled at short distances. That, in turn, explains why sunspots often seem to maintain their identity even if they come close enough to merge. There is also other evidence that suggests the presence of electric currents aligned with the magnetic field in a sunspot.

Granulation has been observed in the umbra, or dark centers of sunspots, by overexposing sunspot images. The umbral granules are more closely packed than photospheric granules. That is to be expected on this model because the current in the large charge sheath vortex forming the sunspot is being delivered to denser atmosphere at lower depths. Umbral granules should not be there if sunspots are formed by magnetic throttling of the convection process. .

The Nature article also mentions 'fainter structures in the umbra' These features are associated with the inward migration of a bright dot followed by repeated brightening and fading on a timescale of minutes. This suggests that a larger fraction of umbrae than observed so far could have faint or small-scale filamentary structure.' The nature of a charge sheath vortex is to tend to compress material inside and lengthen the tube in both directions. Since it is also acting as a conduit for electrical energy, it seems that the moving bright dots are small-scale filamentary lightning emanating from the lower ends of the penumbral filament vortex.


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Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe

Unread postby sathearn » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:58 pm

FYI

Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe
New Scientist, 23 March 2009

"IT IS midnight on 22 September 2012 and the skies above Manhattan are filled with a flickering curtain of colourful light. Few New Yorkers have seen the aurora this far south but their fascination is short-lived. Within a few seconds, electric bulbs dim and flicker, then become unusually bright for a fleeting moment. Then all the lights in the state go out. Within 90 seconds, the entire eastern half of the US is without power.

"A year later and millions of Americans are dead and the nation's infrastructure lies in tatters. The World Bank declares America a developing nation. Europe, Scandinavia, China and Japan are also struggling to recover from the same fateful event - a violent storm, 150 million kilometres away on the surface of the sun.

"It sounds ridiculous. Surely the sun couldn't create so profound a disaster on Earth. Yet an extraordinary report funded by NASA and issued by the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in January this year claims it could do just that."

Full article available here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... ?full=true
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Re: Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe

Unread postby bboyer » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:55 pm

Authors:
Committee on the Societal and Economic Impacts of Severe Space Weather Events:A Workshop, National Research Council Authoring Organizations

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The adverse effects of extreme space weather on modern technology--power grid outages, high-frequency communication blackouts, spacecraft anomalies--are well known and well documented, and the physical processes underlying space weather are also generally well understood. Less well documented and understood, however, ...


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Re: Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe

Unread postby StevenJay » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:32 pm

sathearn wrote:FYI

Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe
New Scientist, 23 March 2009

"IT IS midnight on 22 September 2012 and the skies above Manhattan are filled with a flickering curtain of colourful light. Few New Yorkers have seen the aurora this far south but their fascination is short-lived. Within a few seconds, electric bulbs dim and flicker, then become unusually bright for a fleeting moment. Then all the lights in the state go out. Within 90 seconds, the entire eastern half of the US is without power.

"A year later and millions of Americans are dead and the nation's infrastructure lies in tatters. The World Bank declares America a developing nation. Europe, Scandinavia, China and Japan are also struggling to recover from the same fateful event - a violent storm, 150 million kilometres away on the surface of the sun.

"It sounds ridiculous. Surely the sun couldn't create so profound a disaster on Earth. Yet an extraordinary report funded by NASA and issued by the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in January this year claims it could do just that."

Hmm - so, is it just serendipitous that Nick Cage's production company, Saturn Films, releases the movie, "Knowing?" :?

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Fractal / Scalable Phenomena: Solar Flares

Unread postby willo » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:15 am

Also found in M. E. J. Newman's paper Power laws, Pareto distributions and Zipf's law at http://arxiv1.library.cornell.edu/abs/cond-mat/0412004v3, solar flares are "power law" distributed, thus implying a fractal / scalable mechanism. This is supporting evidence for plasma activity.
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EJECTION TO ARRIVE!!...yesterday

Unread postby Sparky » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:00 pm

Shoot!!!...Missed another one!!!

http://www.physorg.com/news199985777.html

The dark arc near the top right edge of the image is a filament of plasma blasting off the surface-

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then the quote,
"The bright region is an unassociated solar flare. When particles from the eruption reach Earth on the evening of August 3/4, they may trigger a brilliant auroral display known as the Northern Lights."


Are any of simultaneous phenomenon "unassociated"?
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Re: EJECTION TO ARRIVE!!...yesterday

Unread postby Shelgeyr » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:25 pm

Beware unassociated assumptions!
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Re: EJECTION TO ARRIVE!!...yesterday

Unread postby Sparky » Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:08 am

errrr, i was looking at the calendar which i had forgotten to change . :? .

ejection arrived last night, and today...anybody see anything, auroras, sparks, anything?..
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