Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

[dahlenaz]

If you didn't catch the key detail in the Plasma polygon video, here is an image to show the polygonal (actualy hexagonal) boundaries formed between adjacent filament-groups when the plasma ball is brought into proximity of an electric field.

When a boundary forms between three filament-groups, often time, an angle of 120 degrees is extablished,
showing us the shape to which the rest of the fanned out filament might become confined..
All six sides were occasionally seen but more often only a few sides would appear.

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[willendure]

For example are there dark mode current filaments flowing, even when the experiment is not arcing? And could the arc follow those current filaments preferentially as they already provide pathways for current to flow? In which case, the idea that a polygonal shape is built up in a probabilistic way, given the higher probability of the arc following an existing filament seems believable.

More details please on how that polygonal shape was excavated.

To your final questions i will say:
probably to both but i do not understand your statement that followed them. ... d..z

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A bit hard to explain what I mean, but just ignore that bit. You say that your experiments were not arcing anyway.

[willendure]

My observations cause me to seek clarity on the role of non-arc interactions in the
formation of planetary features.

I'm with you on that. I think non-arc interactions could be playing a big part in what is going on.

I wonder if prevalence of polygonal craters vs. magnetic field strength of bodies has ever been correlated together? Earths stronger magnetic field bends the auroral streams away. Mars has a weaker field, does it experience plasma streams reaching all the way to its surface, or has it done in the past? Might those be responsible for polygonal craters?

[willendure]

Then well after this a planet, probably Mars, came very close to the Earth and an electrical current flowed from Mars to the Americas on Earth. This retarded the movement of the Americas and caused the production of the Andes and Rockies. As Mars passed Earth the electrical current went over Siberia and produced the Himalayas, but also retarded Asia and cause the stretching out of the Pacific Ocean.

So not within the timescale of the last few thousand years, yes? An event of that magnitude would surely be a mass extinction.

But you are saying that you believe the hemisphere dichotomy was set up by a planetary interaction, albeit one that took place a much longer time ago? And do you think this is necessarily the case for all hemisphere dichotomies? The moon, mercury, and so on?

[dahlenaz]

My observations cause me to seek clarity on the role of non-arc interactions in the
formation of planetary features.

I'm with you on that. I think non-arc interactions could be playing a big part in what is going on.

I wonder if prevalence of polygonal craters vs. magnetic field strength of bodies has ever been correlated together? Earths stronger magnetic field bends the auroral streams away. Mars has a weaker field, does it experience plasma streams reaching all the way to its surface, or has it done in the past? Might those be responsible for polygonal craters?

I can't answer your closing questions, for they can't be covered by experiment results, but i will instead
point your attention to a details that must not be overlooked.. Notice that in experiments, an arc does not
make large craters as natuarlly as is accomplished by an electric wind (dark-mode filament) displacement of material.

This is a huge detail that has not drawn enough attention. This is just the tip of an iceberg.. d..z

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[moses]

So two events, willendure. A very long time ago a big current passing through and around the Earth produced the three oceans. Then a few thousand years ago to tens of thousands of years ago Mars came close to Earth, but some life survived. Then the planets continued to fly all over the Solar System and continued to interact occasionally until a few thousand years ago.

Say you were in Australia and there was a flood coming and you hid in a cave near the top of Uluru. You may have survived. And in the mountains creatures probably survived. But many species, especially large species that lived on the plains, did not survive. And humans would have undergone extreme stress surviving causing epigenetic changes that were passed down to us, so that we function maybe considerably differently to those ancient humans.

I have explained how the Mars dichotomy was set up. I would not call the situation on Earth a dichotomy, just a big ocean. It does not cover half the Earth. It is possible for one side of a body to look very different to the other side, but if the crust is unchanged then in a few million years both sides would look exactly the same, maybe, so is that a dichotomy. Having crust missing requires something very significant. Like electricity !

Cheers,
Mo

[willendure]

So two events, willendure. A very long time ago a big current passing through and around the Earth produced the three oceans.

It is possible for one side of a body to look very different to the other side, but if the crust is unchanged then in a few million years both sides would look exactly the same, maybe, so is that a dichotomy.

So I think if the Pangaea model is correct, that was how Earth started out - with all the land on one side, and all the ocean on the other. Just like mars, half of the crust at a higher elevation than the other half.

A very long time ago, a big current set up this situation. Over millions of years, as the tectonic plates moved around, the earth started to look a bit more even. So you see, we are in agreement over some things!

[willendure]

Notice that in experiments, an arc does not
make large craters as natuarlly as is accomplished by an electric wind (dark-mode filament) displacement of material.

This is a huge detail that has not drawn enough attention. This is just the tip of an iceberg.. d..z
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A few more questions. In these experiments, do you have any explanation as to why the craters are polygonal? Are they always polygonal? Are they always hexagons, or do you sometimes get clear octagons?

[moses]

Theories are fun, just don't fall in love with one. Keep adjusting them and trying to fit them to new information.

Cheers,
Mo

[willendure]

The Earth had a huge electrical current flowing past and through it from what is now north to south. This produced the present remanent magnetic field which is measured to be decaying.

Not sure about that. Since our magnetic field occasionally flips orientation, that would suggest that something other than an external current is what caused it? That is, if it was set up by an external current and decaying, wouldn't it remain unflipped? If it is set up by the so called 'geodynamo' which is an internal only process, then flipping must result from the internal dynamics of that.

[dahlenaz]

Notice that in experiments, an arc does not
make large craters as natuarlly as is accomplished by an electric wind (dark-mode filament) displacement of material.

This is a huge detail that has not drawn enough attention. This is just the tip of an iceberg.. d..z
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A few more questions. In these experiments, do you have any explanation as to why the craters are polygonal? Are they always polygonal? Are they always hexagons, or do you sometimes get clear octagons?

I've noticed in recent experiments that craters get rounded as arc discharges begin and drive a
symetrical force from the center where the probe is stationed from the beginning of interaction, it is only
lowered toward the base plate. When it is nearly an inch above the mobile material the interaction
starts and invisible tendril activity clears away material. Most the time not symetrically at first,
and then developing some straight edges and angles. If i stop there i've been getting features with
some hexagonal details.. Progressing to the point of arc interactions will smooth out those detiails.

For this feature, i stopped lowering the probe, well before any arc could establish itself.


Larger image

Observations of this phase in material displacement have just become the focus of recent experiments,
so I cannot draw a complete picture yet,, but i am looking at geometric factors and other influences
that may be encountered in full scale examples.

The population of fresh-looking craters on these dust-covered bodies calls for a mechanism
which is not linked to distant events,, but operates along with the normal function of the space
plasma and with-in its normal dark-mode behavior, a ghost-mechanism of sorts that loves to kick up
the dust when-ever the conditions are favorable. The potential seems to exist but other factors cannot
been excluded until further investigations sort through the evidence.

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[dahlenaz]

In today's Space News 7/24/15 Wal Thornhill offers insight into the molecular-cloud phase of star formation and planetary bodies.

If from this perspective we are to reason that the dust covering on many remote bodies in our solar system
and its belts is the remnant of what occurred during the final stages of that-cloud's existance and that the dust is thinly covering features-from-birth (see video), then, for those bodies we might visualize them as dwarfed within such an environment that the electrical interactions were not like the lightening bolts we relate to, they might be rather like rivers -in comparison- that engulfed the small bodies. If this is so, then some questions arrise.

Have these bodies remained un-changed since then, with their embrionic-dust covering the scars of birth?
Or, has more recent activity brought changes to their thickly covered surfaces so that the embrionic-dust was
given a facefilt that hid the scars of birth?
Or what other scenarios might be entertained?
Thrusting a shovel into as many remote crater rims as possible seems like it should be a mission priority.

The long filamentary tails of bodies like comets and planets are fully capable of causing an electro-dynamic facelift.
But could there be a more subtile process that is digging into the embroinic-dust?



The purple hue of creation, spoken of in legends, looks to be present in this molecular cloud, so was that period
much closer to our time than might be suggested under a gradualist's banner? Was mankind's first view of
the remoteness of the universe direcly connected to the disipation of our molecular cloud?
It would seem plausible and give new understanding of communing with God in the garden
under an electrically burdened sky.

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[moses]

Clearly I feel that the Earth's magnetic field flipping is an error. The magnetic fields measured in various places on the Earth that lead to this conclusion were all formed by electric currents, in my view. And these electric currents could travel in any direction. So the magnetic fields end up pointing in any direction. This can get more scientific but that is the general idea.

I mentioned the decaying magnetic field because of the extreme importance of this. If indeed the magnetic field gets too weak in a few thousand years, say, then life on this planet would change dramatically. And even if the magnetic field was going to flip, if it was at a weak level for some time that would be devastating too. Mainstream will say that it must flip quickly otherwise regular huge loss of species would be found in the fossil record. Of course that presumes that the magnetic field does actually flip. So this is a vital subject, to be discussed under the appropriate heading, of course.

Cheers,
Mo

[dahlenaz]

Notice that in experiments, an arc does not
make large craters as naturally as is accomplished by an electric wind (dark-mode filament) displacement of material.

This is a huge detail that has not drawn enough attention. This is just the tip of an iceberg.. d..z
...

A few more questions. In these experiments, do you have any explanation as to why the craters are polygonal? Are they always polygonal? Are they always hexagons, or do you sometimes get clear octagons?

In response to your question on "why" these polygonal features are occurring at craters
some of the details are already covered by electro-magnetic aspects mentioned in the paper
offered by EofE. However since i'm not creating z-pinches then something else must enter
in as a cause and this may apply at larger scale.

As i looked into this puzzle further i've noticed that another electric discharge phenomenon also
demonstrates polygonal aspects.. At sunspots we can also see that polygonal lines and angles
develop and the cause for this might be explained indirectly in this statement from the "Electric Sky" pg.107
" In sunspots a large number of ions will flood outward toward the lower corona. such a flow represents a large electric current that will produce a strong localized magnetic field around the sunspot"

It would seem that forces acting within arcs, like those described by EofE, most likely are not limited to just the interior of the activity.
The electromagnetic activity is probably influential to the surrounding area beyond the filaments and that too may be drawn inward, and so any circularity could be altered. If circularity had been the cross sectional profile
of the forces acting upon material, then as the electro-magnetic forces continue to act upon the material
then circularity may be lost or un-maintainable due to geometric factors causing the circumference to be
straightened into sides and causing the formation of angles where the sides are forced together...
So the polygonal aspects may have more to do with how the surrounding area reacts to the electromagnetic field.

This may apply to sunspots, however, for surface features in material we may need to look at the puzzle
from the inside out.

In my experiments the features were developing as material was removed as the feature expanded outwards.
So lets consider this from the filament's perspective based on the plasma-ball video.
At the tendril side of the activity the geometric challenges are reversed,, they are reaching out
against a loss of influence, possibly causing them to conserve influence adjacent to the leading filaments.
I think this is demonstrated in the plasma-ball experiment involving proximity
to a surface having an electro-magnetic field across it.

When celestial bodies are considered, there are intrinsic electrical fields to think of as well as localized
areas that may have magnetic properties. So i placed a magnet under the aluminum base plate and
you can see the results, shown two posts ago,,
The result was four very clear sides and angles and a possible fifth. Another experiment with a better electromagnetic field should be quite interesting since hexagonal deposition features have already been shown there.

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[dahlenaz]

From today's video session.

Highly mobile material, low humidity, no arcs involved.


Larger Image 7/26/15

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