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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby dahlenaz » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:46 pm

With reference to the image above and an equatorial ridge:
Please disregard that, as it is un-verified,, i shouldn't have posted that without finding it again
and getting photos from other angles. d..z

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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby comingfrom » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:08 pm

I can imagine two molten blobs colliding with just the right vectors and force to form a sphere with an equatorial ridge, like Iapetus.

Comets like 67p seem to suffer heavier erosion in the neck region. Maybe currents work on the weaker areas of the join.

The smaller moons of Pluto practically look like they could have come off the same welder as the dags in your images.

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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby willendure » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:48 am

So the dwarf planets and comets are just the welding spatter left over from the main planet formation events? A great set of welding spatter images you have there, covering over-sized craters, equatorial ridges, central peaks and double lobed comets. Just need to see one with a hex crater and I am sold!
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby comingfrom » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:41 am

Not even from planet formation process, but from just a bit of surface machining.
If you think about it, there is a fair bit of spatter floating throughout the Solar system.
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby dahlenaz » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:10 am

I found another image, shot from a different angle, which includes
two objects of interest, useful toward introducion of evidence revealing
features that may be the result of molten dynamics alone.

equatorial-ridge-114654-c.jpg

dspptnl-crtr-114654-c.jpg


The existance of hexagonal craters might be evident but it should be expected
if we consider the balancing of forces between surface tension and inertia-(partb)
as material is distorted by either integrated reactions or external contact.

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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby Cargo » Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:21 pm

Really? I don't see anything similar at all.
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby willendure » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:43 am

Cargo wrote:Really? I don't see anything similar at all.


I don't see it either. They look like what we would expect to find if cratering of the moon/mars/whatever was due to asteroid impacts - round, deep dish shaped, not what we generally observe - flatter, central peaks, hexagons and so on.
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby Lloyd » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:36 pm

bdw000 wrote:Some pics of nuclear test site craters are eerily similar to some of the lunar and Martian craters we are all familiar with.
- Perhaps these images will be useful or interesting to some more serious EU folks. Perhaps not. Some of the pics are of the same crater.
https://ndep.nv.gov/lts/sedan5.jpg
http://www.satpalda.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/barringer_1280x800.jpg
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/543367427-sedan-crater-nevada-test-site-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=r%2BWnwBSUE4XsRjD%2FA62aBqYu%2FGaOzLHv%2BPwMAFsL06SDhEL8SJEGQntiCTchW1sJ
http://profit.bg/uploads/userfiles/images/4%28602%29.jpg


Thanks, BDW. Charles Chandler figured out 3 years ago that most craters appear to be due to thermonuclear explosions, so that's why nuclear bomb craters would look like astroblemes or impact craters. He said high temperature and high pressure is all that's needed for a thermonuclear explosion. The frictional heating in the atmosphere provides the heat and the momentum of the bolide provides the pressure in the case of an impact. In the case of an airburst, electric discharge to the center of the massive bolide provides the pressure. The bolide is highly charged in both cases. Here's where Charles explained it in detail: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7315&start=120#p76424.
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby Bomb20 » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:09 pm

Charles Chandler figured out 3 years ago that most craters appear to be due to thermonuclear explosions


However in the thread "Moon Craters" (2014) he had significant problems with the defense of his atomic explosion hypothesis when I pointed to some problems. So, I would say back to the drawing board.

See: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=884&hilit=Bomb20&start=135 and later
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby dahlenaz » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:23 pm

Bomb20 wrote:
Charles Chandler figured out 3 years ago that most craters appear to be due to thermonuclear explosions


However in the thread "Moon Craters" (2014) he had significant problems with the defense of his atomic explosion hypothesis when I pointed to some problems. So, I would say back to the drawing board.

See: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=884&hilit=Bomb20&start=135 and later


I have a huge problem seeing similarities between the Tn-example and real craters.. d..z

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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby webolife » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:33 pm

I would have to agree with DZ...
Even in the linked pictures, you can see clear distinctions between the Barringer crater and the TN blast craters.
That said, some meteors crash, others explode above the surface... the shock results differ significantly between the two types of "impact".
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby Lloyd » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:13 pm

Bomb20 wrote:
Charles Chandler figured out 3 years ago that most craters appear to be due to thermonuclear explosions

However in the thread "Moon Craters" (2014) he had significant problems with the defense of his atomic explosion hypothesis when I pointed to some problems. So, I would say back to the drawing board.
See: http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=884&hilit=Bomb20&start=135 and later

I don't see any significant problems with Charles' discussion of his theory. The oval craters in this image seem to agree with his theory that the string of craters weakened thin lunar crust, so the crust cracked along the line and a horizontal motion of the crust deformed the craters into ovals: https://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/3-moon/20121105_moon_lroc_crater_chain_M102443238LRC_10mpix.jpg. Charles showed in this table that rille formation seems to agree with both Juergens' theory and Charles' own theory: http://qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/12711.html.

DZ said: I have a huge problem seeing similarities between the Tn-example and real craters.. d..z

The bomb craters occurred without an impact. That's why they don't have the same effect as an impact, surely. Isn't it true that high heat and high pressure are all that's needed to produce a thermonuclear explosion? How much heat and pressure are produced in a nuclear bomb explosion? Would an impact have any less heat and pressure than that? I doubt it.

I give Charles credit for originating the thermonuclear explosion theory of impact craters. Does anyone know if anyone else had that theory before him?
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby Bomb20 » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:55 am

I know you are Charles' diligent supporter, Lloyd! However, the so called "theory" is rather an idea or hypothesis. The explanation with the crust is an ad-hoc idea to save it and I can not even see real similarites between Barringer & Co. and TN blasts - like the other contributors. However, the hypothesis has one great advantage. If radioactivity is tested in situ, e.g. on Mars, then it is easy to falsify.
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Re: Help Us Explain Crater Formation!

Unread postby dahlenaz » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:07 pm

webolife wrote:I would have to agree with DZ...
Even in the linked pictures, you can see clear distinctions between the Barringer crater and the TN blast craters.
That said, some meteors crash, others explode above the surface... the shock results differ significantly between the two types of "impact".


In experiments to try and replicate shock forces upon material in a low-gravity condition i found that
non-solid transmission of forces would deliver a symmetry-of-force and create nice replicas to those
found on celestial bodies as well as Barringer crater... This brought the suggestion that we should also
consider the possibility that impacting bodies loose their solid integrity and become like a plasticized
mass of material, distributing forces more freely and symmetrically upon impact. Someone came along afterwards
and used a term for this,, "Splash-craters", but it may not have carried all the details from my experiments.
The characteristics of the surface at the time of an event deserves significant emphasis..
That was partly the purpose for showing the spatter-balls and their surface features.

This could be seen demonstrated -to some degree- where hail had fallen on partially saturated dusty dirt.

Many pictures taken and placed at http://para-az.com/hydraulic-craters/

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http://para-az.com/crater-types/

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