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Re: Magnetic Field Question

Unread postby rangerover777 » Mon May 26, 2008 7:00 pm

The answer as to why Uranus orbiting the sun on it’s side is not clear yet. Though there are
some interesting points that may clarify a bit (or not), this issue :

1. There are many parameters when it comes to understanding the orbit of the planets around
the sun, rotation around their axis and their N & S poles (like mass, speed of orbit, inclination,
moon’s and belts influences, angles between ecliptic plan and rotation axis / poles, distance
from the sun, wobbling, Precession, magnetic poles "wondering", sun’s gravitational field,
galaxy field and a long list of parameters that needs to factor in - in the right way.

2. It seems that this system is going OUT and IN balance, non stop. There is never complete
balance and never complete disorder - it’s all the time in between. Yet, that doesn’t mean a
chaotic event cannot happen.

3. One important observation should be “who comes first“, “what comes next“, what occur
Simultaneity, what cause what. In other words sequence and timing, cause and effect.
For instance, the North and South poles location on a planet are shifting in order to balance
a larger process. Or the eccentricity, depends on the mass, speed of orbit and other factors.

4. Assuming all the information provided by the space agencies and observation
centers - is correct (I would not be surprised to find flaws… especially when it comes to
measurements of magnetic properties, like that the moon have no magnetic poles - up to
not long ago, or Venus and Mars barley have magnetic fields, etc.).

5. Interestingly the closest and the furthermost planets to / from the sun have the largest
inclination : Mercury - 7 degrees and Pluto’s - 17 degrees (considering Pluto's small size and
distance from the sun, should not indicate an extraordinary anomaly).

6. The line that connect the North pole to the South pole does not go exactly through
the center of the planets, but slightly off-side.

7. Molten iron, is not necessarily what most of the planet’s core is made of (open question).
And surely, molten iron looses it’s magnetic properties, so how the earth can be a giant
dynamo without a magnetic core ?


Michael Gmirkin said :
“Similarly several bodies rotate "backwards" or "retrograde."
“May not be directly related to the pole shift issue {?}”

- In the solar system all the planets orbiting the sun in the same direction that the sun revolve
around it’s axis (counterclockwise, if you look from above). I think you mix with astrology
terms, that certain planets (like Mercury or Venus) seems to go backwards.

- It is not directly related to the polar shift, but if you need to solve the polar shift, I think we
need to look around as well.


By the way, how earth Precession (the circle that the rotation axis complete every 25,8000 years,
due to the 11.5 degrees tilt) will look like if the magnetic poles will switch places ?
Just something to think about.

Lastly and forgive me for saying that here (and not in the “Zoo Zone“). The drive to explore
and to understand how thing works (which I believe most of us have) - must start from
the beginning. How Saturn came to exist, is much more fascinating topic them how the atom
is built (which I think we missed that class). If the base is right, anything after that will
fit much easier… And maybe maybe, there is a lot of unnecessary information that we
don’t need, in order to solve certain phenomenas…

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Re: Hurricanes and low magentic fields

Unread postby Osmosis » Mon May 26, 2008 11:39 pm

The angle of the earth's field, where the hurricane/cyclone/typhoons occur is very nearly a right-angle to the axis of the storm eyewall. Perhaps this adds more
energy to the storm, by increasing the current-caused heating. :shock:
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Re: Magnetic Field Question

Unread postby webolife » Tue May 27, 2008 1:31 pm

OK, so no bites on the local magnetic opposite orientation idea... I'm still wondering if this is possible,
ie. would one layer of cooling lava orient itself [magnetically] oppositely atop a previously magnetized layer?
Most of you are approaching this from the astronomical perspective, so let me ask another possibility:
If a near approaching planetary body (Venus or Mars, or a large comet,for examples) were to pass by the earth and directly alter or impact the magnetosphere (in conjunction with the moon perhaps?), could this impact manifest as a series of magnetic reversals with a variable frequency resulting from:
1. Relative position of the near-approaching object with respect to Earth poles
2. Disorientation of earth magfield wrt the solar magnetic flux
3. Direct electric discharge between the n.a.o. and the earth surface (how would striping occur in this case?)
4. Combinations of the above combined with rotational/revolutional aspects of the earth/moon system
5. Assuming this near approach was associated in some way with the rifting of the ocean floors, could [AC] telluric currents oriented along the rift zones account for alternating magnetic flow parallel to the rift?
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Re: Magnetic Field Question

Unread postby seasmith » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:56 am

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webolfe wrote:
If a near approaching planetary body (Venus or Mars, or a large comet,for examples) were to pass by the earth and directly alter or impact the magnetosphere (in conjunction with the moon perhaps?), could this impact manifest as a series of magnetic reversals with a variable frequency resulting ...?


Would tend to to concur, as per Steve Smith, that "striping" results from concurrent EM and geologic upsets.

rangerover wrote:
Now the vertical magnetic lines between the poles, are made of streams of magnets that
circulate in and out of the earth (or any other planetary object). The North pole individual
magnets are coming out of the South pole and around into the Northern pole and then through
the center of the earth back and out from the Southern pole. The same way with the South
pole individual magnets, but in the opposite direction.

To be more precise, the N pole magnets are going UP everywhere in the Southern Hemisphere
and going down everywhere in the Northern Hemisphere. And the same with the S pole
individual pole magnets area always running one stream against another (in a whirling Screw
Like Fashion).Though the streams between the poles are stronger then the rest of the
hemispheres streams...


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Re: Magnetic Field Question

Unread postby Daniel Downs » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:59 pm

[quote="rangerover777"]The answer as to why Uranus orbiting the sun on it’s side is not clear yet. Though there are
some interesting points that may clarify a bit (or not), this issue :

7. Molten iron, is not necessarily what most of the planet’s core is made of (open question).
And surely, molten iron looses it’s magnetic properties, so how the earth can be a giant
dynamo without a magnetic core ?


My question is, is it more likely that silicates are the culprit that makes up the dynamo?, considering that they make up over 90% of the earths crust, are the major constituents of most rocks formed through volcanic activity deep beneath the surface of the earth, and within the silicate group are many peizoelectric and pyroelectric forms such as quartz(12% earths crust)tourmaline,hemimorphite,scawtite,rochelle salt etc. Who knows what magnetic properties,if any, silica displays when in a molten form?
If molten silica under massive pressure displayed both peizo and pyroelectric propertys, wouldnt it become a sellf energizing thing? pressure becomes electricity and heat becomes pressure becomes electricity and heat etc etc?
Any feedback on these questions would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Magnetic Field Question

Unread postby webolife » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:55 am

The piezoelectric properties of solid quartz/silica are well known. I don't know what you accomplish theoretically by imagining liquid silica electrical/magnetic effects. It is an interesting question to me whether the earth's (mostly) solid sial crust has electrical/magnetic properties as a rotating solid.
Molten iron loses magnetic "domains" (under standard explanations) when molten, but wrt the earth's core, this is a molten iron (maybe) core that is rotating, hence a plasmic(?) body. The magnetic field results from the electric current thus induced...
Stephen Smith, do you have some insight on these questions?
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Re: Magnetic Field Question

Unread postby rangerover777 » Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:58 pm

Sorry to interrupt the fascinated Pole Reversal question by a much more
basic question : How the magnets are orbiting around a magnetic system ?

Science claims that magnetic are bi-polar particles and in a bar magnet (for
instance, since it represent other magnetic systems but on a small scale), the
magnets are exiting the North poles, going around into the South pole, then
through the center back to the North pole, and on again.

A very different theory says that magnets are monopoles and they are two streams running
in the opposite direction N stream against S stream (in a right hand whirling
motion). When it comes to a magnetic system (or earth if you will) they runs like that :

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The South pole individual magnets are going UP everywhere in the Northern
hemisphere, around the earth and into everywhere in the Southern hemisphere, then
through the center of the earth and up again in the Northern hemisphere.
The North pole magnets are orbiting exactly the same but in the opposite direction.
The emission and induction at the poles is the strongest, though the same happen
everywhere in the two hemispheres.

Some magnets are going out of the system and never come back, but immediately
replaced by the opposite type magnets that comes from infinity (or the “medium”).
This model is based on the natural attraction of the opposite North and South pole
Magnets. Natural orbiting. Natural poles and many tests (nothing artificial like a
bi-polar particle that have no reason to orbit and no reason to create two opposing
poles one at each…)

But my point is : before concluding the pole reversal answer, it’s better to know
what are magnets and how they run. And the EU is a good ground for that since
they “Go back in time from observations to conclusions, not based on accepted
theories”. And maybe after establishing “sound base“, the Reversal question would
be “ripe” to answer.

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Re: Magnetic Field Question

Unread postby junglelord » Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:43 pm

Secret World of Magnets by Howard Johnson, the Father of Spintronics
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintro ... rd-Johnson

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recent earth magnetic anomalies

Unread postby bdw000 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:42 pm

Might be of interest:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080630-earth-core.html

Does EU theory have another explanation for the Earth's magnetic field, besides the spinning iron core?
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Re: recent earth magnetic anomalies

Unread postby Grey Cloud » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:50 am

From the Nat Geo article:
"It is in this region that the shielding effect of the magnetic field is severely reduced, thus allowing high energy particles of the hard radiation belt to penetrate deep into the upper atmosphere to altitudes below a hundred kilometers (62 miles)," Mandea said.

This radiation does not influence temperatures on Earth. The particles, however, do affect technical and radio equipment and can damage electronic equipment on satellites and airplanes, Olsen of the Danish space center said.


Add to this the 50 year low in the solar wind which was announced this week... We live in interesting times.
That second paragraph makes me laugh. Have you noticed that in these sort of articles they always mention the disruption to satellites, planes etc but there is never any mention of the effect on living things, whether human or not. Are we radiation proof?
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Re: recent earth magnetic anomalies

Unread postby Drethon » Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:36 am

Grey Cloud wrote:That second paragraph makes me laugh. Have you noticed that in these sort of articles they always mention the disruption to satellites, planes etc but there is never any mention of the effect on living things, whether human or not. Are we radiation proof?


Just my input from what I've read, not what I know, only satellites and airplanes matter to mainstream scientists because everything else is deep enough in the earth's magnetic field that little of the radiation arrives. This is assuming of course that there isn't other radiation making it through that scientists aren't watching for...
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Re: recent earth magnetic anomalies

Unread postby Steve Smith » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:49 am

The question was asked whether there is an electrical explanation for the Earth's magnetic field other than the "spinning iron core." Bearing in mind that no one has ever seen the so-called iron core and that it is a theory that has never been tested (nor can it be I wager), it seems probable that the Earth's magnetism was either imposed at some time in the past by another EM field, or that it is being generated and sustained by external input.

From "Ganymede Bears Witness" Picture of the Day:

With a mean diameter of 5262 kilometers, Ganymede is the largest moon orbiting any planet and is the fourth largest rocky object after the planet Mars. The magnetic field is supposedly being created by the moon's core in a "dynamo" of sorts - once again like the Earth's core is supposed to be generating its magnetic field. There is an ambiguity, however. Ganymede's core is too hot to hold on to permanent magnetism. But Ganymede is so small that, according to conventional astro-geology, it should have cooled off billions of years ago and should not have a liquid core in the first place.


The anomalous field on Ganymede calls into question the entire theory of an internal "dynamo." As does that on Mercury.

From "Messages From Mercury" Picture of the Day:

Mercury, like most bodies in the solar system, has a weak magnetic field but research scientists have no idea how its being generated. Earth has a strong field that helps to protect us from the sun's ionic bombardment, but Mercury has no such protection. It receives a continuous blast of radiation and atomic particles that is almost 1000 times greater than what is measured at the Earth's surface.

A magnetometer on the satellite should help resolve where the magnetic field originates. Modern theories suggest that a rotating "dynamo" of molten metal exists inside Earth and that is how our magnetic field is created. Mercury is thought to have a molten core as well, but no one knows if it is working like Earth does or if the field is part of the crust, like Mars. No one understands how a molten core exists on Mercury since the planet appears cold and dead. The molten interior should have cooled off eons ago.


Once again, anamolous fields generate questions.

From Wal Thornhill's "Astronomical Myths of Mercury and the Sun" article:

Myth No. 8. Planetary magnetic fields are generated by a hidden "dynamo" in the core.

A rotating charged body will produce a dipolar magnetic field. Scientists discard this simple explanation because it is calculated for the Earth that the moving charge would have to constitute a current of a billion Amps, which implies a tremendously strong electric field at the Earth’s surface. But this simple electrostatic argument fails in a plasma environment. The electric field at the Earth’s surface reflects merely the difference in voltage between the Earth and its plasma sheath at the magnetospheric boundary with the solar wind. Like a bird sitting on a high-voltage transmission line, we are unaware of the electrification beneath our feet.

In Mercury’s case, its strong gravitational field for its size indicates a high level of internal electrical polarization. That means a high surface charge. So Mercury’s slowly rotating charge will produce a small magnetic field. Other effects will modify that field. For example, currents flowing in the plasma above the surface and those induced in the surface of the planet together with remanent magnetism associated with old cosmic thunderbolt surface scars. The eccentric orbit of Mercury within the Sun’s electric field should ensure electric current is flowing to the planet throughout its year. The current flow is usually in the sense of a Faraday motor, via the poles and an equatorial plasma sheet.
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Re: recent earth magnetic anomalies

Unread postby MGmirkin » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:30 pm

We also know there are telluric currents below our feet in many regions of the world. Whether they are individually or collectively sufficient as an explanatory mechanism is unclear. Perhaps not?

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Re: recent earth magnetic anomalies

Unread postby Krackonis » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:12 pm

I've mentioned before and will again. If we look at the Concretions lying about the earth and look inside them to see how they were constructed we see that often, Iron balls are squeezed together to form a sphere with silicates in all the cracks in and around the sphere. (Basically all the little spheres are covered in dirt then squeezed together)

If the earth and other planets with a magnetic field were formed this way and there was a space (oblong, rhomboid, doesn't matter) inside the planet, it would start to 'flow' as the plasma in that space (very hot) would magnetically couple to the solar wind outside the sphere, brushing up against it.

Then, the larger the space the more of a vortex the plasma could form and the more magnetic field it would produce. Eventually this area would get hotter and hotter and eat more and more of the planet form the inside out until it came to sufficiently rest in the centre of the planet. (Like earth)

This I think is the only reasonable mechanism for the Core of a Planet in the EU Paradigm which would give us the result we see.
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Re: recent earth magnetic anomalies

Unread postby Kapriel » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:49 pm

Krackonis wrote:I've mentioned before and will again. If we look at the Concretions lying about the earth and look inside them to see how they were constructed we see that often, Iron balls are squeezed together to form a sphere with silicates in all the cracks in and around the sphere. (Basically all the little spheres are covered in dirt then squeezed together)


I don't know for sure which concretions you refer to. Can you post a link? The ones I've seen are sandstone and the like. No heavy metals. Unless you meant moqui-balls? What you describe almost sounds like a conglomerate.

Manganese nodules, on the other hand (which according to EU theory are probably not strictly formed by concretion), often have a small sandstone core, but are surrounded afterward with various layers enriched by things such as nickel, zinc, cobalt (copper), iron, manganese, etc. and finished off with a nice, black, metal jacket. You can view many varieties here:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q ... a=N&tab=wi

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